2023 West Semifinals | (1) Denver Nuggets VS (4) Phoenix Suns (DEN WINS 4-2)

[gottamakeit]

Could someone chime in please?
i really don't want to create a new thread

Was definitely a travel. He also gets away with moving screens every possession with hip bumps. He's an amazing player, but like many amazing players, he gets afforded a lot of leeway other players wouldn't receive.

I'm not a referee but the big question here is when he gathered the ball by NBA rules. If he gathered the ball, made first step, and landed on both feet it is a travel. I think he gathered the ball in the air, landing on both feet simultaneously, so it wasn't step+second step.

As far as what he get's away, yes he gets away with moving screens with hip bumps. On the other hand you can see on his arms all the scarves from garbing and holding, and that is the way how they allow defenders to guard him. What stands the most is that you can make a case he gets bumped or pushed any time he shoots (with forearm, and often times simple push with hand which should be foul all the time). But those shooting fouls get called 10% of times.

It looks like he gathers the ball here

Again i was just looking to settle this debate and not get into everything else. thanks

[BelgradeNugget]

It looks like he gathers the ball here

Again i was just looking to settle this debate and not get into everything else. thanks

Yes I think it is the moment he gathers the ball. So in my opinion he gathers the ball and lands on both feet. It wasn't like he gathers the ball, makes one step, jumps and lands on both feet.

("A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.")

Again I'm not a referee, I might be wrong.

EDIT: If his foot is on the floor while he gathers the ball I don't think it counts as first step

[Luke Skyowner]

Congrats Nuggets!
Loved watching Jokic play methodically. Finding easy buckets for himself and his teammates is a thing of beauty. A lost art really.

This is the post-game thread and not really the most appropriate place to discuss this.... but not wanting to create a whole thread of this is the reason its in here. I need your help settling a debate if this was a travel or not, and could you please back it up with the reason. Thanks in advance.
https://streamable.com/i94v06

In my eyes, at the 5 second mark, Jokic takes a dribble, hops with both feet. (right foot moves up by 6-12 inches)
Refer to this https://www.nbra.net/rules/traveling/
"A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor."

To me it seems like Jokic shouldn't get a pivot foot. Hence a travel

Could someone chime in please?
i really don't want to create a new thread

Was a travel indeed. If he used the other leg on last move it would have been ok. But he's usually on point, gets superstar call/ benefit of the doubt or something along the line. AG travel on few games back was more blatant. I don't know why they make a parody out of basketball sometimes.

[al bondiga]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

[stoo]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

They can have a very good team next year

[al bondiga]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

They can have a very good team next year

doubt it... What's happened this year is gonna have Consequences

[Wolfgang630]

Durant sucked 2 years in a row. He's not the best player in the NBA and he never has been.

[Wolfgang630]

Jalen Rose said Jokic has graduated to superstar status now. Dude what the hell are you talking about?? He’s been a superstar for years. I can’t stand these people. They’re ready to label all other kinds of people superstar left and right like Ja Morant who haven’t done **** in their careers

[spanishninja]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

They can have a very good team next year

doubt it... What's happened this year is gonna have Consequences

it's not something that one offseason can fix probably. to paraphrase Giannis, there will be steps to this.

First up, hopefully Monty gets the pink slip and Ayton gets traded. Latter might not happen till the deadline though.

[spanishninja]

People are wildin in this thread, acing like yall didn't watch the game.

Why are people going at Book, he had an incredible run, and his team was missing Paul and Ayton. You know the same excue we kind of give Jokic over the past two years?

Ayton wasn't there in game 6, not for the whole series. And Booker's best teammate was freakin Kevin Durant, not Aaron Gordon.

my guy, Ayton has taken the entire playoffs off mentally.

[denvers_finest]

Congrats Nuggets!
Loved watching Jokic play methodically. Finding easy buckets for himself and his teammates is a thing of beauty. A lost art really.

This is the post-game thread and not really the most appropriate place to discuss this.... but not wanting to create a whole thread of this is the reason its in here. I need your help settling a debate if this was a travel or not, and could you please back it up with the reason. Thanks in advance.
https://streamable.com/i94v06

In my eyes, at the 5 second mark, Jokic takes a dribble, hops with both feet. (right foot moves up by 6-12 inches)
Refer to this https://www.nbra.net/rules/traveling/
"A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor."

To me it seems like Jokic shouldn't get a pivot foot. Hence a travel

Could someone chime in please?
i really don't want to create a new thread

I’m a nuggets fan, but honestly I think joker travels a lot on his post moves. Picks up his pivot foot to make the spin move. Maybe not a travel in todays NBA, but based on how I was taught, you can’t lift your pivot foot

[og15]

Congrats Nuggets!
Loved watching Jokic play methodically. Finding easy buckets for himself and his teammates is a thing of beauty. A lost art really.

This is the post-game thread and not really the most appropriate place to discuss this.... but not wanting to create a whole thread of this is the reason its in here. I need your help settling a debate if this was a travel or not, and could you please back it up with the reason. Thanks in advance.
https://streamable.com/i94v06

In my eyes, at the 5 second mark, Jokic takes a dribble, hops with both feet. (right foot moves up by 6-12 inches)
Refer to this https://www.nbra.net/rules/traveling/
"A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor."

To me it seems like Jokic shouldn't get a pivot foot. Hence a travel

Could someone chime in please?
i really don't want to create a new thread

I’m a nuggets fan, but honestly I think joker travels a lot on his post moves. Picks up his pivot foot to make the spin move. Maybe not a travel in todays NBA, but based on how I was taught, you can’t lift your pivot foot

Can't lift your pivot foot and it it back down before the ball is shot or passed, yes. Is that what is happening?

[BelgradeNugget]

Could someone chime in please?
i really don't want to create a new thread

I’m a nuggets fan, but honestly I think joker travels a lot on his post moves. Picks up his pivot foot to make the spin move. Maybe not a travel in todays NBA, but based on how I was taught, you can’t lift your pivot foot

Can't lift your pivot foot and it it back down before the ball is shot or passed, yes. Is that what is happening?

Explanation starts at 3:25

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[Phystic]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

What excuses are they making? People giving their opinion on why they lost is not the same thing as making an excuse.

For example, Monty's poor decision making and lack of production outside top 2 are reasons why the Suns lost. Not an excuse. The better team won the series. Suns really had no business getting it to 6 games, that is really a matter of Booker willing the team to 2 Ws

[spanishninja]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

What excuses are they making? People giving their opinion on why they lost is not the same thing as making an excuse.

For example, Monty's poor decision making and lack of production outside top 2 are reasons why the Suns lost. Not an excuse. The better team won the series. Suns really had no business getting it to 6 games, that is really a matter of Booker willing the team to 2 Ws

honestly, it's the people who single out Booker with their memes that are making excuses for the Suns. All the way down the line there is blame to be placed as well. hopefully significant housecleaning this offseason, Monty in particular. 2021 and 2022 didn't conclusively prove that he gets outworked by opposing coaches, but hopefully it is abundantly clear now.

[al bondiga]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

What excuses are they making? People giving their opinion on why they lost is not the same thing as making an excuse.

For example, Monty's poor decision making and lack of production outside top 2 are reasons why the Suns lost. Not an excuse. The better team won the series. Suns really had no business getting it to 6 games, that is really a matter of Booker willing the team to 2 Ws

Denver did not have a better team... It's a clear case of them wanting it more... You Could see it even in their faces, To me it was obvious... I am not a fan of either team, So I don't know him a lot, But The Joker knew his team was outmatched...they would have to win with intensity

[al bondiga]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

What excuses are they making? People giving their opinion on why they lost is not the same thing as making an excuse.

For example, Monty's poor decision making and lack of production outside top 2 are reasons why the Suns lost. Not an excuse. The better team won the series. Suns really had no business getting it to 6 games, that is really a matter of Booker willing the team to 2 Ws

honestly, it's the people who single out Booker with their memes that are making excuses for the Suns. All the way down the line there is blame to be placed as well. hopefully significant housecleaning this offseason, Monty in particular. 2021 and 2022 didn't conclusively prove that he gets outworked by opposing coaches, but hopefully it is abundantly clear now.

I agree that it is the coach's job to Manage the Demeanor his team plays with And Monty Williams did a bad job... But I don't know if I would be so quick to dismiss, he has been One of their main wheels for Restoration... Knowing how to put together Booker ego with the rest of the team, it's a feat in itself

[Phystic]

Suns making multiple excuses On why they failed, I think multiple excuse means that you are a Huge loser ... The fact is that Kevin Durant trade didn't payof As Expected, It was a mistake, They gave up too much And now the future is compromised Unless Chris Paul and Deandre trade bring Very good Players back

What excuses are they making? People giving their opinion on why they lost is not the same thing as making an excuse.

For example, Monty's poor decision making and lack of production outside top 2 are reasons why the Suns lost. Not an excuse. The better team won the series. Suns really had no business getting it to 6 games, that is really a matter of Booker willing the team to 2 Ws

Denver did not have a better team... It's a clear case of them wanting it more... You Could see it even in their faces, To me it was obvious... I am not a fan of either team, So I don't know him a lot, But The Joker knew his team was outmatched...they would have to win with intensity

You're right the #1 seed had a worse team

Suns had star power, nuggets had an MVP and a deeper team

[spanishninja]

What excuses are they making? People giving their opinion on why they lost is not the same thing as making an excuse.

For example, Monty's poor decision making and lack of production outside top 2 are reasons why the Suns lost. Not an excuse. The better team won the series. Suns really had no business getting it to 6 games, that is really a matter of Booker willing the team to 2 Ws

honestly, it's the people who single out Booker with their memes that are making excuses for the Suns. All the way down the line there is blame to be placed as well. hopefully significant housecleaning this offseason, Monty in particular. 2021 and 2022 didn't conclusively prove that he gets outworked by opposing coaches, but hopefully it is abundantly clear now.

I agree that it is the coach's job to Manage the Demeanor his team plays with And Monty Williams did a bad job... But I don't know if I would be so quick to dismiss, he has been One of their main wheels for Restoration... Knowing how to put together Booker ego with the rest of the team, it's a feat in itself

Booker was the only one across the entire team who had any kind of fire during the playoffs, and you NEED that to be a true contender. Monty has one expression on his face at all times, it doesn't work on a team like this. He has helped raise the floor significantly but has proven to be more of a Mark Jackson than a Steve Kerr