Post-Mortem: 2022-23 Golden State Warriors

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4 Questions

Poll ended at Mon May 15, 2023 10:08 am

Q1: Keep the Head of Front Office
79
18%
Q1: Fire the Head of Front Office
23
5%
Q2: Keep the coach
94
21%
Q2: Fire the coach
12
3%
Q3: Performed better than expected
4
1%
Q3: Performed as expected
50
11%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
59
13%
Q4: Rising Team
3
1%
Q4: Treadmill/Plateaued/Maintaining Team
32
7%
Q4: Waning Team
85
19%
 
Total votes: 441

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Post-Mortem: 2022-23 Golden State Warriors 

Post#1 » by ElectricMayhem » Sat May 13, 2023 10:08 am

End of an era?

Here is the data from previous years' Post-Mortems:
2020-21:

2021-22:
2021-22 Post Mortem Final Summary

Team Name: Golden State Warriors
Record at Time of Death: 44-38 (.537) (2nd Round Loss)
Head of Front Office: Bob Myers (2012-)
Coach: Steve Kerr (2014-)

Offensive Rating: 10th
Defensive Rating: 14th
Rebound %: 14th
Turnover %: 29th

Front Office: Change or keep?
Coach: Change or keep?
Relative to expectations, how did they fare this year?
Rising, falling, or treadmill?
If you were in charge, what would you do this offseason?

Notes:
Players under contract next year:
Steph Curry ($52m)
Klay Thompson ($43m)
Jordan Poole ($29m)
Andrew Wiggins ($24m)
Gary Payton II ($9m)
Kevon Looney ($9m)
Jonathan Kuminga ($6m)
Moses Moody ($4m)
Patrick Baldwin Jr. ($2m)
Ryan Rollins ($2m)

Team Options:


Player Options:
Draymond Green ($28m)
Donte DiVincenzo ($5m)

Free Agents:
JaMychal Green
Andre Iguodala
Anthony Lamb
Ty Jerome
Lester Quinones

Dead Money:

Previous Post-Mortems:
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29. San Antonio Spurs
28. Detroit Pistons
27. Charlotte Hornets
26. Portland Trail Blazers
25. Indiana Pacers
24. Washington Wizards
23. Orlando Magic
22. Utah Jazz
21. Dallas Mavericks
20. Toronto Raptors
19. New Orleans Pelicans
18. Chicago Bulls
17. Oklahoma City Thunder
16. Brooklyn Nets
15. Minnesota Timberwolves
14. Los Angeles Clippers
13. Cleveland Cavaliers
12. Milwaukee Bucks
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Post#2 » by Hoopstar23 » Sat May 13, 2023 10:14 am

Trade Poole for some pieces... Klay Thompson is an expiring contract.... try to trade him as well.... Moody and 19th pick for Claxton

Poole to Orlando for Issac and Harris

Klay, Kuminga, Baldwin Jr, and future picks for Bradley Beal?

Moody and Rollins 19th pick for Claxton

resign everyone and we should be back...
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Post#3 » by weekend_warrior » Sat May 13, 2023 11:29 am

No idea how to answer any of these questions. It really depends on the angle.

I liked the roster before the season, it had potential. Veterans that were still at a (very) high level, some back-ups with a certain pedigree and/or talent. With "the punch" the entire picture changed completely and the season turned out as a train wreck in slow-motion. Injuries, inconsistency, little development of the young guys and seemingly bad chemistry. There was very little cohesiveness in the entire process. Halfway through the season, I almost expected them to miss the POs, Based on that, a somewhat competitive 2nd round was a success. Based on the (presumed) potential and the expectations before this season, it's a disaster. Not necessarily the PO elimination itself but the overall state of uncertainty this season has left the team in.

In terms of asset and cap management, roster development, the front office future... it's all unclear. They might roll it back and in that case you probably want to keep Kerr and trade away young players for additional role players. This is probably the more likely case, but I don't really agree with the premise of why this would make sense, which is to try to squeeze another PO run out of this group.

I don't believe in another title shot with this core. And you cannot expect to develop young players in such an environment. Therefore I am strongly in favor of significant changes to the roster, which would also require a change in coaching, as Kerr is likely to stick to his guns.
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Post#4 » by ElectricMayhem » Sat May 13, 2023 11:34 am

I'm curious as to whether Golden State fans want to keep Bob Myers are get a new shot caller. The team had already drafted Curry when Myers came aboard. He had been assistant general manager for a couple months when the team drafted Klay Thompson and had been the general manager a couple months when they drafted Draymond Green (albeit after Ezeli). He was the guy who signed Durant. So he definitely had a hand in putting together one of the best cores in league history. He was also the GM who fired Mark Jackson for Steve Kerr.

However, it also feels like there's been some opportunity cost and their run could have been even greater. A lot of people assumed Golden State would trade the pick to shore up some areas, but they ended up taking Wiseman who was far from ready for the NBA game. It was a weak draft at the top, and nobody can blame him for not taking talented guys that went lower (Haliburton, Ball, and Maxey would've been nice pieces - hell, Tillman at 2 would've been crazy but would've given them far more production). They let GPII go only to trade the aforementioned Wiseman to get him back. He also has to be responsible for that mess of a Poole contract that will severely limit what they can do in the future.

Overall, he was given one of the greatest starter ingredients possible and he made a magnificent dish with it. Are complaints that he could've done even better valid? Looking at opportunity cost can be an unfair way to judge a GM. GMs rarely take the best player remaining with any particular draft pick. Pretty much all GMs have made bad signings. There are a million different ways a GM could've given Curry a worse career than he had. If I were a Warriors fan, I wouldn't be afraid of moving on from Myers if there was someone they really believed in that they could sign. They could do worse if they look elsewhere, though.

Regarding the team, it seems like they are trying to resign Draymond to a multi-year deal. If they want to extend the run, they need to do this. There was a graphic in one of the threads I saw today that showed all playoff players' offensive and defensive contributions to the team (I think it was a thread burying Ayton for his awful play). Draymond was THE top defender. Even if his offense has taken a backseat (like the far back seats in a minivan) these past few years, he's still got it on defense. Without him, they're not a danger to any contending team. If they could move off of Poole's contract for something slightly more palatable and do whatever they can to red paperclip that into a little more cap space and a little more valuable player, that will go far towards breathing new life into the team. It feels like we've just witnessed Golden State's last gasp, but there's still a sliver of a chance that they can do something to prolong it.
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Post#5 » by CallMeKahn » Sat May 13, 2023 11:35 am

Don't really see Kerr or the FO needing to be changed, but I think the new CBA rules will force the Dubs to makes some changes, reduce the tax load, and freshen up the roster. Not sure how to go about that though.
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Post#6 » by Statlanta » Sat May 13, 2023 11:47 am

Kerr’s advantage over the league is gone. With Thompson post-Achilles and Curry going age 35 the Warriors advantage of having the green light to shoot any shot is diminished. My guess is they run it back but just pray on minimum contracts being able to solve the talent gap between the teams remaining.
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Post#7 » by makubesu » Sat May 13, 2023 11:53 am

It seems like there’s a big gap between “we lost to the Lakers and they got swept by Denver” and “we lost to the Lakers, the eventual champions”, when it comes to rebuilding. Lakers now are +300
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Post#8 » by baldur » Sat May 13, 2023 11:55 am

It is ova. Trade curry, klay and green to the Nets.
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Post#9 » by kenwood3333 » Sat May 13, 2023 12:45 pm

Most of the blame goes to the FO. They have several lottory picks to upgrade this team and resource to develop young players in the past few years, yet almost none of their moves worked out and they are still relying on their core of vets to win games. The next wrong move is to resign their over the hill players but looks like thats what they will do, which is going to put even more pressure on 35 yr old Curry.
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Post#10 » by art_tatum » Sat May 13, 2023 12:57 pm

No defense not enough shooting when they have draymond and looney out there.
Not enough height or rebounding too.
Coach is overrated.
Cooked. Especially if they resign draymond.

I would only keep maybe looney and Wiggins maybe give Poole another year to improve and gain muscle.
Klay is stuck there with his massive contract. Ofc steph will be there
They need a tall and athletic center. Too bad wiseman didn't pan out.
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Post#11 » by eminence » Sat May 13, 2023 12:58 pm

Yeah, a 21 pts on 37 FGA shot night from Klay/Poole/Wiggins is not something a team will overcome very often.

I imagine DiVincenzo is opting out, but they should try to bring him back, he seemed to fit well.

I'd bring Draymond back, I don't think letting him walk really solves any problems. Look at the market for Poole/Klay, though I'm not sure I expect much there. I would 100% not be extending Klay.

Moody/Kuminga seem to be somewhat slowly growing into reasonable roles, hopefully next season they're ready for the bigtime.

Curry is still a build around guy who can take you to a title, don't waste his last years please.
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Post#12 » by Karate Diop » Sat May 13, 2023 1:11 pm

The poor road record indicates a lack of leadership and discipline.

Curry's never been one to truly captain a team in terms of holding others accountable or inspiring them, so with Draymond shattering his own effectiveness with the Poole incident and Klay a shell of his former self that others find hard to take seriously the Warriors would be well served finding a new veteran leader for the team (GPII despite not being an elder statesman will probably help in this regard, as he's about the grit and grind life not the Golden Boy spotlight).
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Post#13 » by weekend_warrior » Sat May 13, 2023 1:21 pm

eminence wrote:Yeah, a 21 pts on 37 FGA shot night from Klay/Poole/Wiggins is not something a team will overcome very often.

I imagine DiVincenzo is opting out, but they should try to bring him back, he seemed to fit well.

I'd bring Draymond back, I don't think letting him walk really solves any problems. Look at the market for Poole/Klay, though I'm not sure I expect much there. I would 100% not be extending Klay.

Moody/Kuminga seem to be somewhat slowly growing into reasonable roles, hopefully next season they're ready for the bigtime.

Curry is still a build around guy who can take you to a title, don't waste his last years please.


They definitely have to make changes. Team chemistry seemed off all year, and I am quite convinced that their poor road record is ultimately a result of just that.

Kuminga repeatedly voiced his frustrations. Seconds after the last game you can see him go immediately to the locker room, while everybody else is still outside. A few hours later there is the rumored news that he wants a bigger role or a trade. While he didn't look great in his few short stints in the PO, he never got the chance to get into any kind of groove. While other players regularly played like garbage for 30+ minutes. I can kind of understand the frustration.

Poole hasn't said much this season, but let's see what's gonna happen in the next days and weeks. I don't think it's coincidence that his game fell apart entirely this season after the incident with Green and the way it was handled. I would be surprised if he's there next season in case that they bring back Green. Of course you would have to sell for pennies on the dollar now...
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Post#14 » by Karate Diop » Sat May 13, 2023 1:29 pm

eminence wrote:Yeah, a 21 pts on 37 FGA shot night from Klay/Poole/Wiggins is not something a team will overcome very often.

I imagine DiVincenzo is opting out, but they should try to bring him back, he seemed to fit well.

I'd bring Draymond back, I don't think letting him walk really solves any problems. Look at the market for Poole/Klay, though I'm not sure I expect much there. I would 100% not be extending Klay.

Moody/Kuminga seem to be somewhat slowly growing into reasonable roles, hopefully next season they're ready for the bigtime.

Curry is still a build around guy who can take you to a title, don't waste his last years please.


While the offensive output of Klay/Poole/Wiggins was concerning even more catastrophic was how easily the Lakers were able to dismantle the Warriors' defense by repeatedly targeting Curry (and to a lesser extent Poole) with the same play over and over again...

Curry's defense was abnormally bad and not a good sign for things to come unless the Warriors tweak their personnel...

The lack of an elite paint protector, a la KD in his Warriors days, was extremely noticable. The Warriors just didn't have the back line help to cover for Curry.
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Post#16 » by Raps in 4 » Sat May 13, 2023 1:35 pm

Myers really screwed the pooch by not trading Wiseman (previous year's #2 pick) + the #7 and 14 picks when they had them. That package could have easily landed them another All-Star (at the time, I suggested trading that package for Siakam). Instead, he drafted busts with all of the picks and handed a $128 million contract to a scrub like Jordan Poole. They could have easily won another title or two in Steph's twilight years if they managed their assets better. Instead, the GSW dynasty is over.
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Post#17 » by brutalitops » Sat May 13, 2023 1:38 pm

I mean if your going to Abandon Kuminga minutes for GP2. Do you just package him and Poole's **** deal+Picks and hope to land Middleton or Siakem?
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Post#18 » by eminence » Sat May 13, 2023 1:44 pm

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eminence wrote:Yeah, a 21 pts on 37 FGA shot night from Klay/Poole/Wiggins is not something a team will overcome very often.

I imagine DiVincenzo is opting out, but they should try to bring him back, he seemed to fit well.

I'd bring Draymond back, I don't think letting him walk really solves any problems. Look at the market for Poole/Klay, though I'm not sure I expect much there. I would 100% not be extending Klay.

Moody/Kuminga seem to be somewhat slowly growing into reasonable roles, hopefully next season they're ready for the bigtime.

Curry is still a build around guy who can take you to a title, don't waste his last years please.


They definitely have to make changes. Team chemistry seemed off all year, and I am quite convinced that their poor road record is ultimately a result of just that.

Kuminga repeatedly voiced his frustrations. Seconds after the last game you can see him go immediately to the locker room, while everybody else is still outside. A few hours later there is the rumored news that he wants a bigger role or a trade. While he didn't look great in his few short stints in the PO, he never got the chance to get into any kind of groove. While other players regularly played like garbage for 30+ minutes. I can kind of understand the frustration.

Poole hasn't said much this season, but let's see what's gonna happen in the next days and weeks. I don't think it's coincidence that his game fell apart entirely this season after the incident with Green and the way it was handled. I would be surprised if he's there next season in case that they bring back Green. Of course you would have to sell for pennies on the dollar now...


Not sure how much I can agree on the Kuminga frustrations, there were guys who did the 30 minutes of garbage thing, but not guys Kuminga could really replace. His positional competition (Dray/Looney/Wiggins in no particular order) played alright (I'd say Dray/Wiggins were below their standards, but not garbage at all). Looney was flat out great, and if he'd been able to go for longer in the LA series they very well may have won it.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2022-23 Golden State Warriors 

Post#19 » by Mr Peanut » Sat May 13, 2023 1:44 pm

I think you run it back again with Steph still playing at such a high level. Maybe bring in a new GM with some fresh ideas given Myers contract is expiring. Keep Kerr obviously. See if Draymond is happy to opt-in to his PO, otherwise a short-term extension. Don't extend Klay. Give Kuminga a bigger role next year. Hope some ring-chasing vets sign on for the minimum.

If next year is a dud then next off-season really look to clean house and make some moves.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2022-23 Golden State Warriors 

Post#20 » by weekend_warrior » Sat May 13, 2023 1:58 pm

eminence wrote:Not sure how much I can agree on the Kuminga frustrations, there were guys who did the 30 minutes of garbage thing, but not guys Kuminga could really replace. His positional competition (Dray/Looney/Wiggins in no particular order) played alright (I'd say Dray/Wiggins were below their standards, but not garbage at all). Looney was flat out great, and if he'd been able to go for longer in the LA series they very well may have won it.


I don't disagree on the alright performance of Draymond and Wiggins, and Looney was mostly great when available. But I also think that they should have had some different angles to their game from time to time and not play with such an extreme focus on out-shooting the Lakers from deep or running this pass-heavy motion offense. The shots weren't falling anymore and the Warriors had no answers at all. Kuminga could have helped here as an interior threat with verticality.

On the defensive end they were severely out-muscled, particularly in G6 with Wiggins being visibly hampered.Kuminga is a good man-to-man defender and has a better physical tools to force Lebron to work more, at least for a few minutes per game.

Even if it's just to reduce the physical toll on the older players. In the end the wheels just fell off.

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