is Klay done?

[DonaldSanders]

It doesnt really matter, he's starting next year. Its just not as dire as people want to make it. The team plays within their stars limitations all the time - Curry is hidden/rested on D, Draymond and Looney aren't asked to be consistent scorers.. so they need to treat Klay's serial shooting in the same regard. They did that way better years ago, when Klay would have single digit dribbles per game

The bigger question is if Klay's 43M expiring can be traded for a players(s) of greater value than Klay. I'm fine with him taking a lesser role, but that big salary may be a key to a trade that can really improve us.

[CDM_Stats]

It doesnt really matter, he's starting next year. Its just not as dire as people want to make it. The team plays within their stars limitations all the time - Curry is hidden/rested on D, Draymond and Looney aren't asked to be consistent scorers.. so they need to treat Klay's serial shooting in the same regard. They did that way better years ago, when Klay would have single digit dribbles per game

The bigger question is if Klay's 43M expiring can be traded for a players(s) of greater value than Klay. I'm fine with him taking a lesser role, but that big salary may be a key to a trade that can really improve us.

Possible, but I dont think anyone is ready to move into his role right now. If pairing him with Kuminga got us a starting SG that fit what we needed better, I'd be on board with it. I'm just not into trading him just because.. think that there are better ways to use him and we need to get back to those days instead of giving him the large amount of touches we did

[DonaldSanders]

Possible, but I dont think anyone is ready to move into his role right now. If pairing him with Kuminga got us a starting SG that fit what we needed better, I'd be on board with it. I'm just not into trading him just because.. think that there are better ways to use him and we need to get back to those days instead of giving him the large amount of touches we did

Well, you could trade for his replacement.

The biggest issue is just Klay himself -- we all cringe when he starts his dribble expeditions, he's strictly a catch and shoot player now but refuses to play like one. If he was willing to take only good shots fine, but I really have trouble believing Moody can't be overall more efficient for us next year given playing time. Next year he is 34, it's just going to get worse.

[CDM_Stats]

Possible, but I dont think anyone is ready to move into his role right now. If pairing him with Kuminga got us a starting SG that fit what we needed better, I'd be on board with it. I'm just not into trading him just because.. think that there are better ways to use him and we need to get back to those days instead of giving him the large amount of touches we did

Well, you could trade for his replacement.

The biggest issue is just Klay himself -- we all cringe when he starts his dribble expeditions, he's strictly a catch and shoot player now but refuses to play like one. If he was willing to take only good shots fine, but I really have trouble believing Moody can't be overall more efficient for us next year given playing time. Next year he is 34, it's just going to get worse.

Moody's not going to cause the same defensive vacuum.. and I dont think he's quick enough to play SG in today's NBA. I mostly agree with the assessment of Klay at an individual level, but just like Draymond - yanking him from our offense has a domino effect that's pretty key to our success. For example - there's about a handful of players in the league who I'd consider dropping into that role, and most aren't going to be attainable for various reasons (Beal - salary, Huerter - not available, etc). I think the only realistic target would be Hield, and despite being younger I just dont see much variance between the 2

In 2015 and 2016 when we were really peaking, Klay had the least amount of dribbles per touch. Thats because in addition to Curry/Dray, we had Iguodala and Bogut who were incredibly smart players with the ball. I personally think Looney is smart enough with the ball to fill the Bogut role. But what's missing is that other player who can really run the offense capably. DDV isnt it, although I understand the attempt. But the key will be to basically treat Klay like GP2, where you are only giving him the ball if the shot has already been created for him. It'd be nice to see Kerr lean on him to not dribble either, but I've kinda given up on the whole Kerr developing players thing

[superunknown]

He's been a negative all year long. Let's be honest about it. And not just because the lack of D and the shot not falling. He's been playing dumb basketball all year long.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Possible, but I dont think anyone is ready to move into his role right now. If pairing him with Kuminga got us a starting SG that fit what we needed better, I'd be on board with it. I'm just not into trading him just because.. think that there are better ways to use him and we need to get back to those days instead of giving him the large amount of touches we did

Well, you could trade for his replacement.

The biggest issue is just Klay himself -- we all cringe when he starts his dribble expeditions, he's strictly a catch and shoot player now but refuses to play like one. If he was willing to take only good shots fine, but I really have trouble believing Moody can't be overall more efficient for us next year given playing time. Next year he is 34, it's just going to get worse.

Moody's not going to cause the same defensive vacuum.. and I dont think he's quick enough to play SG in today's NBA. I mostly agree with the assessment of Klay at an individual level, but just like Draymond - yanking him from our offense has a domino effect that's pretty key to our success. For example - there's about a handful of players in the league who I'd consider dropping into that role, and most aren't going to be attainable for various reasons (Beal - salary, Huerter - not available, etc). I think the only realistic target would be Hield, and despite being younger I just dont see much variance between the 2

In 2015 and 2016 when we were really peaking, Klay had the least amount of dribbles per touch. Thats because in addition to Curry/Dray, we had Iguodala and Bogut who were incredibly smart players with the ball. I personally think Looney is smart enough with the ball to fill the Bogut role. But what's missing is that other player who can really run the offense capably. DDV isnt it, although I understand the attempt. But the key will be to basically treat Klay like GP2, where you are only giving him the ball if the shot has already been created for him. It'd be nice to see Kerr lean on him to not dribble either, but I've kinda given up on the whole Kerr developing players thing

Hield is less than half of klays salary, but a cheap replacement for klay might be a guy rotting on the lakers bench: Beasley.

[CDM_Stats]

Well, you could trade for his replacement.

The biggest issue is just Klay himself -- we all cringe when he starts his dribble expeditions, he's strictly a catch and shoot player now but refuses to play like one. If he was willing to take only good shots fine, but I really have trouble believing Moody can't be overall more efficient for us next year given playing time. Next year he is 34, it's just going to get worse.

Moody's not going to cause the same defensive vacuum.. and I dont think he's quick enough to play SG in today's NBA. I mostly agree with the assessment of Klay at an individual level, but just like Draymond - yanking him from our offense has a domino effect that's pretty key to our success. For example - there's about a handful of players in the league who I'd consider dropping into that role, and most aren't going to be attainable for various reasons (Beal - salary, Huerter - not available, etc). I think the only realistic target would be Hield, and despite being younger I just dont see much variance between the 2

In 2015 and 2016 when we were really peaking, Klay had the least amount of dribbles per touch. Thats because in addition to Curry/Dray, we had Iguodala and Bogut who were incredibly smart players with the ball. I personally think Looney is smart enough with the ball to fill the Bogut role. But what's missing is that other player who can really run the offense capably. DDV isnt it, although I understand the attempt. But the key will be to basically treat Klay like GP2, where you are only giving him the ball if the shot has already been created for him. It'd be nice to see Kerr lean on him to not dribble either, but I've kinda given up on the whole Kerr developing players thing

Hield is less than half of klays salary, but a cheap replacement for klay might be a guy rotting on the lakers bench: Beasley.

Yeah but if we're paying for a rotting corpse, we're getting a rotting corpse

There are few players who move as well without the ball than Klay.. the team should treat Klay like an addict. He's addicted to shooting. So do him a favor and don't let get doped up, just moderate better. Anyone we get to replace him is going to have problems that require addressing also, so go with the evil we already know

[CDM_Stats]

Hield is less than half of klays salary, but a cheap replacement for klay might be a guy rotting on the lakers bench: Beasley.

I'm not saying I'd for sure do it, but

Klay/Kuminga ----> Hield/Theis would work, as the Pacers have the space to eat the difference. They could add McConnell too if the salaries were too tight for them

[weekend_warrior]

That was posted in the GB. And the data doesn't include this disastrous last game. Poole and Klay are amongst the most negative players this POs, and I have to assume that at least Klay will drop into the bottom tier with his last performance.

It is Curry and nothing else, no other player exceeded a slightly positive impact on this rating. Closest are still Looney and Green, but the latter you have to dock because he took himself out of a crucial Q4 + 1 game suspension which isn't captured in this metric.

[DonaldSanders]

It is Curry and nothing else, no other player exceeded a slightly positive impact on this rating. Closest are still Looney and Green, but the latter you have to dock because he took himself out of a crucial Q4 + 1 game suspension which isn't captured in this metric.

Hmm I can't actually find Draymond in the graph, but GPII and Moody are just below Looney. Wiggins I think if he doesn't leave for so much of the season and deal with injuries can play better. The TPA graph isn't perfect, but it does match a lot of my eye test. Wiggins is probably too low, but he has been quiet many nights.

Curry, Moody, Wiggins, Dray, Looney, GPII

These are our core 6, Klay probably can be a plus in reduced role where fewer minutes take less of a toll on his body... however given he is a big expiring, I think the real value is in trading him. Poole has to go if Dray stays... and those are probably all we need to make a change with, though I really can't see us moving Klay. It's just going to be see what we can get in exchange for Poole and run it back I bet.

[Hoopstar23]

It is Curry and nothing else, no other player exceeded a slightly positive impact on this rating. Closest are still Looney and Green, but the latter you have to dock because he took himself out of a crucial Q4 + 1 game suspension which isn't captured in this metric.

Hmm I can't actually find Draymond in the graph, but GPII and Moody are just below Looney. Wiggins I think if he doesn't leave for so much of the season and deal with injuries can play better. The TPA graph isn't perfect, but it does match a lot of my eye test. Wiggins is probably too low, but he has been quiet many nights.

Curry, Moody, Wiggins, Dray, Looney, GPII

These are our core 6, Klay probably can be a plus in reduced role where fewer minutes take less of a toll on his body... however given he is a big expiring, I think the real value is in trading him. Poole has to go if Dray stays... and those are probably all we need to make a change with, though I really can't see us moving Klay. It's just going to be see what we can get in exchange for Poole and run it back I bet.

if Klay is a big expiring we should be able to get some useful parts from him... I think Klay is done as an impact player and should be coming off the bench as well.. his defense is too poor to continue being in the starting lineup...with the new cba coming i can see teams cutting back on salary... I can see Washington dealing Beal away... and we have a trade package that can get him... and he would thrive in a Warriors lineup of Steph, Beal, Wiggins, Dray, Looney/Claxton if we trade Moody and 19th pick for Claxton

[weekend_warrior]

It is Curry and nothing else, no other player exceeded a slightly positive impact on this rating. Closest are still Looney and Green, but the latter you have to dock because he took himself out of a crucial Q4 + 1 game suspension which isn't captured in this metric.

Hmm I can't actually find Draymond in the graph...

Top left corner: very high defensive impact, somewhat negative offensive impact. Matches the eye test pretty well and of course this is something GSW fans know and expect.

[DonaldSanders]

It is Curry and nothing else, no other player exceeded a slightly positive impact on this rating. Closest are still Looney and Green, but the latter you have to dock because he took himself out of a crucial Q4 + 1 game suspension which isn't captured in this metric.

Hmm I can't actually find Draymond in the graph...

Top left corner: very high defensive impact, somewhat negative offensive impact. Matches the eye test pretty well and of course this is something GSW fans know and expect.

Of course, it's so late this is obviously where he'd be. My exhausted mind looked in the masses of players without thinking at all, d'oh!

Matches the eye test for Dray, that's for sure, and he's a net positive.

[floppymoose]

That was posted in the GB. And the data doesn't include this disastrous last game. Poole and Klay are amongst the most negative players this POs, and I have to assume that at least Klay will drop into the bottom tier with his last performance.

The other issue with those two is that their weaknesses compound when both are on the court. They have been unplayable together all year.

[beavis15205]

He wasn't handled right all year, no back to backs early but had to play them late, he looked tired and had no legs. Limit minutes reduced role for him moving forward, I know with his contract that's not possible.

[Impuniti]

It is Curry and nothing else, no other player exceeded a slightly positive impact on this rating. Closest are still Looney and Green, but the latter you have to dock because he took himself out of a crucial Q4 + 1 game suspension which isn't captured in this metric.

Hmm I can't actually find Draymond in the graph, but GPII and Moody are just below Looney. Wiggins I think if he doesn't leave for so much of the season and deal with injuries can play better. The TPA graph isn't perfect, but it does match a lot of my eye test. Wiggins is probably too low, but he has been quiet many nights.

Curry, Moody, Wiggins, Dray, Looney, GPII

These are our core 6, Klay probably can be a plus in reduced role where fewer minutes take less of a toll on his body... however given he is a big expiring, I think the real value is in trading him. Poole has to go if Dray stays... and those are probably all we need to make a change with, though I really can't see us moving Klay. It's just going to be see what we can get in exchange for Poole and run it back I bet.

On 40 **** million dollars!

Klay and JP are the easy options on who to move. Klay probably gets you two quality 8-man rotation players, and JP you might need to play until Feb so you can add some value to his stock. Right now it's the Wise situation where you sell at the worst time.

[KevinMcreynolds]

He should play like 15-20 minutes as a backup to Moody but he won’t accept that. Therefore, he should be traded for whatever we can get. It’s a sad fact but it’s time to put him out to pasture.

[KevinMcreynolds]

And I’m not going to complain about his current contract, it was a no brainer at the time

[Jerry Maine]

The issue is does Curry insist on keeping his buddies around? Maybe.

Is Curry more interested in keeping the core together through to retirement or, like Bron, happy to flip them for immediate help. My gut feeling is the former.

If Green walks then I think we see a Klay trade shortly after and they reboot. If Green stays I can see them resigning Klay on God I hope a team friendly deal to see them all through till 2026

[GSWFan1994]

The issue is does Curry insist on keeping his buddies around? Maybe.

Is Curry more interested in keeping the core together through to retirement or, like Bron, happy to flip them for immediate help. My gut feeling is the former.

If Green walks then I think we see a Klay trade shortly after and they reboot. If Green stays I can see them resigning Klay on God I hope a team friendly deal to see them all through till 2026

Yep, Jerry. That's the most important, understated thing.

We can all make unlimited fantasy trades... but if Curry wants Klay to stay, and/or if Myers wants as well... then he won't be moved.

And I suspect, by what they been doing for the past... that's the path they will take.

I hope I'm wrong, but I strongly think Curry, Klay and Dray will be on the team as long as they want to... so our only hope of improving is hoping they take team friendly deals so we can improve around the edges... which is gonna be a very difficult situation obviously.