2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[BoyzNTheHood]

Giannis is allowed to have zero bag because of his size and strength. Just bullys people. Modern day Shaq. These kids have crazy athleticism which will work to their advantage in the open nba floor but when things get tight as a guard, you need a shot. You just won't be as successful. Ben Simmons prime is probably the ceiling for these kids and he continually had trouble in the playoffs.

Giannis didn’t come in with that strength. He came in with slashing ability, the same thing these kids have. Sure, there’s less development time available to 20 year olds, but it’s not like they’re finished products.

Sorry but using Giannis for these kids is such a poor example. He’s a rare case of a kid who grew, gained crazy strength and is now the closest thing to Shaq and an all time great. Everyone loves to bring up Giannis every year and his bar is set so high that people always fumble using him and his growth and compare it to prospects. It’s far fetched and this is no different.

Going back to my point, these kids have great athlesticm but their shots are complete garbage and its going to be hard for them to play that position when games get tight. Picking them top 10 you hope you get starter material that can be difference makers in the playoffs. The lack of shooting will always anchor them.

Giannis is a poor example to you because you’re losing the context. It is what it is. The comparison stands. Strong slashers who can’t shoot is the undeniable bottom line for them all. No one’s saying the Thompson twins are Shaq but if that’s what you took from it more power to you.

[BoyzNTheHood]

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Seems mature, praising others. Not used to this unselfishness.

This guy would be an ideal pick anywhere outside of the lottery for a winning team

He doesn't suit us, but some team with tons of shooting like Sacramento is going to take him and get a really useful player.

Like I said, an ideal pick for a winning team.

[WuTang_CMB]

Giannis didn’t come in with that strength. He came in with slashing ability, the same thing these kids have. Sure, there’s less development time available to 20 year olds, but it’s not like they’re finished products.

Sorry but using Giannis for these kids is such a poor example. He’s a rare case of a kid who grew, gained crazy strength and is now the closest thing to Shaq and an all time great. Everyone loves to bring up Giannis every year and his bar is set so high that people always fumble using him and his growth and compare it to prospects. It’s far fetched and this is no different.

Going back to my point, these kids have great athlesticm but their shots are complete garbage and its going to be hard for them to play that position when games get tight. Picking them top 10 you hope you get starter material that can be difference makers in the playoffs. The lack of shooting will always anchor them.

Giannis is a poor example to you because you’re losing the context. It is what it is. The comparison stands. Strong slashers who can’t shoot is the undeniable bottom line for them all. No one’s saying the Thompson twins are Shaq but if that’s what you took from it more power to you.

Not really. There’s no comparison at all lol. Giannis should have never been brought up in this. I didn’t say the Thompson twins are Shaq…. I said Giannis grew into a modern day one. His come up is rare. Giannis came into the league at 6'9" 190 and went to 7'0 250. To suggest these kids will grow physically like that is short sighted.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Sorry but using Giannis for these kids is such a poor example. He’s a rare case of a kid who grew, gained crazy strength and is now the closest thing to Shaq and an all time great. Everyone loves to bring up Giannis every year and his bar is set so high that people always fumble using him and his growth and compare it to prospects. It’s far fetched and this is no different.

Going back to my point, these kids have great athlesticm but their shots are complete garbage and its going to be hard for them to play that position when games get tight. Picking them top 10 you hope you get starter material that can be difference makers in the playoffs. The lack of shooting will always anchor them.

Giannis is a poor example to you because you’re losing the context. It is what it is. The comparison stands. Strong slashers who can’t shoot is the undeniable bottom line for them all. No one’s saying the Thompson twins are Shaq but if that’s what you took from it more power to you.

Not really. There’s no comparison at all lol. Giannis should have never been brought up in this. I didn’t say the Thompson twins are Shaq…. I said Giannis grew into a modern day one. His come up is rare. Giannis came into the league at 6'9" 190 and went to 7'0 250. To suggest these kids will grow physically like that is short sighted.

Actually there is because of them all being non shooting/slashing types. You brought up Giannis’ body which had nothing to do with the comparison because he was a skinny kid who found success with this playing style early on. His body development helped him turn into the monster that he is today, which is why his development ark is so rare. The comparison ends at slashing with no jumper, don’t overthink it. Like I said, they could end up like socialite Simmons too.

[WuTang_CMB]

Giannis is a poor example to you because you’re losing the context. It is what it is. The comparison stands. Strong slashers who can’t shoot is the undeniable bottom line for them all. No one’s saying the Thompson twins are Shaq but if that’s what you took from it more power to you.

Not really. There’s no comparison at all lol. Giannis should have never been brought up in this. I didn’t say the Thompson twins are Shaq…. I said Giannis grew into a modern day one. His come up is rare. Giannis came into the league at 6'9" 190 and went to 7'0 250. To suggest these kids will grow physically like that is short sighted.

Actually there is because of them all being non shooting/slashing types. You brought up Giannis’ body which had nothing to do with the comparison because he was a skinny kid who found success with this playing style early on. His body development helped him turn into the monster that he is today, which is why his development ark is so rare. The comparison ends at slashing with no jumper, don’t overthink it. Like I said, they could end up like socialite Simmons too.

Giannis' growth physically is what made him a player and I am trying to explain that it's very rare for a prospect grow at that rate. It's a poor example. You wan't to dismiss Giannis' growth and just use the comparison when he entered the league - well what good is that? Giannis isn't Giannis without growing 4 inches and 60 pounds. Do you know how many players come into the league as wing slashers with no jumper? Lots. The comparison doesn't exist.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Not really. There’s no comparison at all lol. Giannis should have never been brought up in this. I didn’t say the Thompson twins are Shaq…. I said Giannis grew into a modern day one. His come up is rare. Giannis came into the league at 6'9" 190 and went to 7'0 250. To suggest these kids will grow physically like that is short sighted.

Actually there is because of them all being non shooting/slashing types. You brought up Giannis’ body which had nothing to do with the comparison because he was a skinny kid who found success with this playing style early on. His body development helped him turn into the monster that he is today, which is why his development ark is so rare. The comparison ends at slashing with no jumper, don’t overthink it. Like I said, they could end up like socialite Simmons too.

Giannis' growth physically is what made him a player and I am trying to explain that it's very rare for a prospect grow at that rate. It's a poor example. You wan't to dismiss Giannis' growth and just use the comparison when he entered the league - well what good is that? Giannis isn't Giannis without growing 4 inches and 60 pounds. Do you know how many players come into the league as wing slashers with no jumper? Lots. The comparison doesn't exist.

You’re contradicting yourself. The comparison doesn’t exist but there are so many non shooting wings who enter the league every year. You need to understand that Giannis didn’t come in as the monster you see today. It took him at least 3-5 years into his career to get this yoked. Jason Kidd had him handling the ball early on when he was still skinny just backing up and driving past or into guys. He’s one of the players who had success as a no bag slasher who just dunked everything. It was only after a few seasons that he hit the gym hard. If you watch early Giannis he doesn’t look the same at all. If you want to dismiss it that’s fine, you’re allowed to be wrong.

[WuTang_CMB]

Actually there is because of them all being non shooting/slashing types. You brought up Giannis’ body which had nothing to do with the comparison because he was a skinny kid who found success with this playing style early on. His body development helped him turn into the monster that he is today, which is why his development ark is so rare. The comparison ends at slashing with no jumper, don’t overthink it. Like I said, they could end up like socialite Simmons too.

Giannis' growth physically is what made him a player and I am trying to explain that it's very rare for a prospect grow at that rate. It's a poor example. You wan't to dismiss Giannis' growth and just use the comparison when he entered the league - well what good is that? Giannis isn't Giannis without growing 4 inches and 60 pounds. Do you know how many players come into the league as wing slashers with no jumper? Lots. The comparison doesn't exist.

You’re contradicting yourself. The comparison doesn’t exist but there are so many non shooting wings who enter the league every year. You need to understand that Giannis didn’t come in as the monster you see today. It took him at least 3-5 years into his career to get this yoked. Jason Kidd had him handling the ball early on when he was still skinny just backing up and driving past or into guys. He’s one of the players who had success as a no bag slasher who just dunked everything. It was only after a few seasons that he hit the gym hard. If you watch early Giannis he doesn’t look the same at all. If you want to dismiss it that’s fine, you’re allowed to be wrong.

You need to understand that comparing these kids to an early Giannis is laughable. You are putting them in a box because you didn't watch any tape and keep using your ridiculous "non shooting/slashers" and think it applies to an all time prospect in Giannis. I already explained that using the Giannis comp every year is such a misfire because Giannis was so unique early on and then exploded when the growth came. It's a rare case, thus why this comparison (even the young giannis) is stupid.

[bluerap23]

Raptors should send me to the lottery...

[Yallbecrazy]

Raptors should send me to the lottery...

Or just have the opportunity to run it 100 times and pick the best result for them.

[Bruin]

Crazy we’ll know who’s getting Wemby in 2 days

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Crazy we’ll know who’s getting Wemby in 2 days

I've been saying San Antonio for ages, I can see David Stern willing that from beyond the grave.

It'll be fun if the Raps land a top 4 pick and the discussion changes dramatically.

[Yallbecrazy]

It won't happen, but would anyone trade Malachi+Boucher+13 for Ja?

[Bruin]

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[Dalek]

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I loved Terq last year as a second rounder but knew he would try to raise his stock with another year. To me, he is not too different to Bones Hyland who got traded once before his rookie deal was up.

Both are fired competitors who are not afraid to take shots or attack the rim despite being around 170 lbs. Terq plays so dangerously that I don't think his body will last. Also forget defense with Terq. No way he is even neutral in the NBA.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Giannis' growth physically is what made him a player and I am trying to explain that it's very rare for a prospect grow at that rate. It's a poor example. You wan't to dismiss Giannis' growth and just use the comparison when he entered the league - well what good is that? Giannis isn't Giannis without growing 4 inches and 60 pounds. Do you know how many players come into the league as wing slashers with no jumper? Lots. The comparison doesn't exist.

You’re contradicting yourself. The comparison doesn’t exist but there are so many non shooting wings who enter the league every year. You need to understand that Giannis didn’t come in as the monster you see today. It took him at least 3-5 years into his career to get this yoked. Jason Kidd had him handling the ball early on when he was still skinny just backing up and driving past or into guys. He’s one of the players who had success as a no bag slasher who just dunked everything. It was only after a few seasons that he hit the gym hard. If you watch early Giannis he doesn’t look the same at all. If you want to dismiss it that’s fine, you’re allowed to be wrong.

You need to understand that comparing these kids to an early Giannis is laughable. You are putting them in a box because you didn't watch any tape and keep using your ridiculous "non shooting/slashers" and think it applies to an all time prospect in Giannis. I already explained that using the Giannis comp every year is such a misfire because Giannis was so unique early on and then exploded when the growth came. It's a rare case, thus why this comparison (even the young giannis) is stupid.

This is my last response to you on this subject. You’re telling me I never watched tape when you’ve never hit on a prospect in these forums lol. Don’t think I forgot you killing me for Scottie Barnes 2 years ago too. Now you’re taking a comparison to one aspect of a prospects game to another former prospect and struggling to make the connection. It’s fine to be wrong, but I’ll thank you not to continue blowing my replies up with this ignorance. No one said these kids are Giannis or will be even close to him. Go back and read it again, and then re-read it how many times it takes you to form a simple understanding of what I’m saying.

[WuTang_CMB]

You’re contradicting yourself. The comparison doesn’t exist but there are so many non shooting wings who enter the league every year. You need to understand that Giannis didn’t come in as the monster you see today. It took him at least 3-5 years into his career to get this yoked. Jason Kidd had him handling the ball early on when he was still skinny just backing up and driving past or into guys. He’s one of the players who had success as a no bag slasher who just dunked everything. It was only after a few seasons that he hit the gym hard. If you watch early Giannis he doesn’t look the same at all. If you want to dismiss it that’s fine, you’re allowed to be wrong.

You need to understand that comparing these kids to an early Giannis is laughable. You are putting them in a box because you didn't watch any tape and keep using your ridiculous "non shooting/slashers" and think it applies to an all time prospect in Giannis. I already explained that using the Giannis comp every year is such a misfire because Giannis was so unique early on and then exploded when the growth came. It's a rare case, thus why this comparison (even the young giannis) is stupid.

This is my last response to you on this subject. You’re telling me I never watched tape when you’ve never hit on a prospect in these forums lol. Don’t think I forgot you killing me for Scottie Barnes 2 years ago too. Now you’re taking a comparison to one aspect of a prospects game to another former prospect and struggling to make the connection. It’s fine to be wrong, but I’ll thank you not to continue blowing my replies up with this ignorance. No one said these kids are Giannis or will be even close to him. Go back and read it again, and then re-read it how many times it takes you to form a simple understanding of what I’m saying.

You brought up the giannis comparison and realized you were wrong when i called you out on it lol and now you are just being aggressive because you are too far gone and clueless. If you actually read my last post you’d realize that even the young giannis comparisons are silly as you are just saying they were non shooters and drive to the hoop lol. Completely different players. That tells me all i need to know about your scouting capabilities. I’ve seen some idiotic posts on here but that likely takes the cake.

[BoyzNTheHood]

You need to understand that comparing these kids to an early Giannis is laughable. You are putting them in a box because you didn't watch any tape and keep using your ridiculous "non shooting/slashers" and think it applies to an all time prospect in Giannis. I already explained that using the Giannis comp every year is such a misfire because Giannis was so unique early on and then exploded when the growth came. It's a rare case, thus why this comparison (even the young giannis) is stupid.

This is my last response to you on this subject. You’re telling me I never watched tape when you’ve never hit on a prospect in these forums lol. Don’t think I forgot you killing me for Scottie Barnes 2 years ago too. Now you’re taking a comparison to one aspect of a prospects game to another former prospect and struggling to make the connection. It’s fine to be wrong, but I’ll thank you not to continue blowing my replies up with this ignorance. No one said these kids are Giannis or will be even close to him. Go back and read it again, and then re-read it how many times it takes you to form a simple understanding of what I’m saying.

You brought up the giannis comparison and realized you were wrong when i called you out on it lol and now you are just being aggressive because you are too far gone and clueless. If you actually read my last post you’d realize that even the young giannis comparisons are silly as you are just saying they were non shooters and drive to the hoop lol. Completely different players. That tells me all i need to know about your scouting capabilities. I’ve seen some idiotic posts on here but that likely takes the cake.

Sure bud. Hit on at least one prospect before you come at me. Your track record is abysmal.

[Syd-TK3]

Crazy we’ll know who’s getting Wemby in 2 days

Think this year might be the craziest lottery results

[WuTang_CMB]

This is my last response to you on this subject. You’re telling me I never watched tape when you’ve never hit on a prospect in these forums lol. Don’t think I forgot you killing me for Scottie Barnes 2 years ago too. Now you’re taking a comparison to one aspect of a prospects game to another former prospect and struggling to make the connection. It’s fine to be wrong, but I’ll thank you not to continue blowing my replies up with this ignorance. No one said these kids are Giannis or will be even close to him. Go back and read it again, and then re-read it how many times it takes you to form a simple understanding of what I’m saying.

You brought up the giannis comparison and realized you were wrong when i called you out on it lol and now you are just being aggressive because you are too far gone and clueless. If you actually read my last post you’d realize that even the young giannis comparisons are silly as you are just saying they were non shooters and drive to the hoop lol. Completely different players. That tells me all i need to know about your scouting capabilities. I’ve seen some idiotic posts on here but that likely takes the cake.

Sure bud. Hit on at least one prospect before you come at me. Your track record is abysmal.

Lol fried. Coming from you doesn’t mean much especially when you post nonsense. Create a poll i would love to see how many people would agree with your giannis comparison. Let me guess - none. Go back to bed.

[BoyzNTheHood]

You brought up the giannis comparison and realized you were wrong when i called you out on it lol and now you are just being aggressive because you are too far gone and clueless. If you actually read my last post you’d realize that even the young giannis comparisons are silly as you are just saying they were non shooters and drive to the hoop lol. Completely different players. That tells me all i need to know about your scouting capabilities. I’ve seen some idiotic posts on here but that likely takes the cake.

Sure bud. Hit on at least one prospect before you come at me. Your track record is abysmal.

Lol fried. Coming from you doesn’t mean much especially when you post nonsense. Create a poll i would love to see how many people would agree with your giannis comparison. Let me guess - none. Go back to bed.

I would assume the rest of the board doesn’t take comparing one aspect of a prospects game to their entire style of play. You on the other hand… I guess having a zero percent hit rate on your picks will do that to someone. Judging by your post count RealGM is your job so so better.