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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#41 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 11:02 pm

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I'm not convinced Embiid gets us the #1 pick in this draft.


I think Portland might be the only team dumb enough to trade #1 for Jo.

Nah, I actually think JRoy says no.


Portland is understandably hesitant on drafting big men.
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Post#42 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sun May 14, 2023 11:02 pm

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the_process wrote:S&T Harden to Houston is easy. Add a 2nd and get the 47M (or whatever) TPE. Then use that to try and absorb a big salary (Beal?)


That's what I'm saying. I think we have to. May I ask how exactly this would be an easy thing to do? It doesn't seem easy. We aren't fooling anyone into giving us anything significant in return for him should we decide to sign and trade him. He's done as a big time player in this league.


It’s an easy thing to do. Houston wants to sign him outright supposedly? Give them a 2nd round pick and say hey let’s make it a S&T. Free 2nd for Houston, they still get Harden for nothing but cap space. Sixers then essentially trade a 2nd to get a massive TPE they can use to add a player (or players?) at a later time.


Ok that's makes sense...At a later time? As in later this summer when free agency hits?
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#43 » by Mik317 » Sun May 14, 2023 11:04 pm

lol no one is trading Wemby for anything...the only way that happens is if he pulls an Eli Manning or something.

You might be able to trade for Scoot or Miller tho

Us oweing picks makes any Biid trade risky imo. Its all fun and games until we end up like the Nets and stuck in lottery hell with no picks of our own.

really think they fire Doc, run it back and hope the new coach has some magic up his sleeve lol
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#44 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 11:06 pm

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That's what I'm saying. I think we have to. May I ask how exactly this would be an easy thing to do? It doesn't seem easy. We aren't fooling anyone into giving us anything significant in return for him should we decide to sign and trade him. He's done as a big time player in this league.


It’s an easy thing to do. Houston wants to sign him outright supposedly? Give them a 2nd round pick and say hey let’s make it a S&T. Free 2nd for Houston, they still get Harden for nothing but cap space. Sixers then essentially trade a 2nd to get a massive TPE they can use to add a player (or players?) at a later time.


Ok that's makes sense...At a later time? As in later this summer when free agency hits?


Sure. TPEs are good for 12 months I believe. It will definitely be usable up until the trade deadline next year. Any player who has a salary equal to or lower than the amount of Harden’s 1st year (which I thought was 47M but might be wrong) can fit into it.
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Post#45 » by 76ciology » Sun May 14, 2023 11:11 pm

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This.

But Doc should resign, he is wasting his time here.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#46 » by Iverson Armband » Sun May 14, 2023 11:11 pm

the_process wrote:
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I think Portland might be the only team dumb enough to trade #1 for Jo.

Nah, I actually think JRoy says no.


Portland is understandably hesitant on drafting big men.

Oden was damn near 20 years ago. That would be a Sixer-level screw up to not draft him.
always a jump shot away.
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Post#47 » by DCasey91 » Sun May 14, 2023 11:12 pm

No not a chance in hell, Zion is proper cooked as a player, u just go from one headcase to another. Haven’t we learned anything?

Here are the points:

1. The second option to our offence. Harden is fully up in the air. All 3 avenues are very much open. Walk for nothing, S&T, Long term deal

2. Maxey is 6th man material at best, at best. Told everyone weeks ago he’ll soon be overvalued

3. Funnily enough Tobias is no longer a net negative. As teams always trade for expiring so look at younger teams that need space on the books for the youngins to sign their big boy contract. It’s bascially 30+ mil of optionality it’s an advantage so use it as best as you can.

4. Cost effective moves around the edges, it doesn’t help the big problems but it doesn’t magnify the smaller ones which are just as important. Please no more Harrell’s, Tuckers’s, House’s, more Melton/Niang deals Morey. look at Roco/Olynyk/Crowder. More size, mobility and a more distinct and functional role here. Their market value is unders to me so jump on. Onyeka is another one get him or at least hold that philosophy when evaluating players.

5. If you want to go all in again then wait and throw the kitchen sink at the Mavs during the season. Yes I’d be over the moon to restart with Luka. It’s fantasy yes but never say never.

6. Alternatively there’s Wemby but a rock in one hand is better than 2 handfuls of poop.

Keep mentioning Ingram but im out on a Harden/Maxey backcourt so no water off my back.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#48 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 11:12 pm

Mik317 wrote:lol no one is trading Wemby for anything...the only way that happens is if he pulls an Eli Manning or something.

You might be able to trade for Scoot or Miller tho

Us oweing picks makes any Biid trade risky imo. Its all fun and games until we end up like the Nets and stuck in lottery hell with no picks of our own.

really think they fire Doc, run it back and hope the new coach has some magic up his sleeve lol


Don’t think MDA has the magic to make Embiid and Harden not clench up under pressure. And foul merchantry does not work in the playoffs.

I’m sure Morey will offer Maxey, Harris, and a 1st for any and every star level player out there.
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Post#49 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 11:15 pm

76ciology wrote:
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This.

But Doc should resign, he is wasting his time here.


What real problem? Choking? He’s the biggest choker of the three!
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Post#50 » by brannigan73 » Sun May 14, 2023 11:16 pm

Regardless of what they do unless they blow it up they need to somehow get a two way wing player thats not a fraud like Tobias Harris. Not ever winning a title without one.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#51 » by Iverson Armband » Sun May 14, 2023 11:17 pm

Embiid giving another one of his loser pressers after losing once again.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#52 » by mksp » Sun May 14, 2023 11:17 pm

the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:
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This.

But Doc should resign, he is wasting his time here.


What real problem? Choking? He’s the biggest choker of the three!


The three of them deserve each other, just sucks that it's on our team.

AI and Larry Brown never did us like this. Even when they lost, they played hard and were just outmanned because Billy King was a trash GM.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#53 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 11:18 pm

We were ******* one damn win away from getting the Celtics to have this reflection moment and Jaylen Brown to ask out and getting that team to break apart having won nothing.

Instead the league will now get their Lakers-Celtics finals and Silver and the league execs will have a circle jerk and the talking heads will be ecstatic.
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Post#54 » by FireMorey » Sun May 14, 2023 11:18 pm

They need to blow it up. If they don't realistically the roster won't be much different next year because they don't have the opportunities or assets to make it different. You're looking at Harden gone, trading Harris for a mediocre starter, and signing another mediocre bench player and that's your team.

There's no clear path to win a title.

Unless the Grizzlies are so fed up with Morant they trade him to the Sixers for something. But even then he's going to be suspended for a lot of the season and who's to say he doesn't keep getting in trouble?
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#55 » by howiezbt » Sun May 14, 2023 11:19 pm

Fire Doc. Embiid has not enough easy baskets. Everything is hard on him. We need guard play that attacks downhill and can finish. harden does not do that consistently anymore.

I would Let Harden walk. Use the money on depth. We need a bench that builds a lead not loses it.

Maybe get the TPE and picks and use that to get Rozier and Hayward.

Trade Tobias and his expiring with Kormaz for John Collins and Bogdonavic.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#56 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 11:22 pm

FireMorey wrote:They need to blow it up. If they don't realistically the roster won't be much different next year because they don't have the opportunities or assets to make it different. You're looking at Harden gone, trading Barnes for a mediocre starter, and signing another mediocre bench player and that's your team.

There's no clear path to win a title.

Unless the Grizzlies are so fed up with Morant they trade him to the Sixers for something. But even then he's going to be suspended for a lot of the season and who's to say he doesn't keep getting in trouble?


Forget a title, the Sixers don’t even have a clear path to getting home court advantage in the playoffs next year.

Almost every other team is playing to win, even some who shouldn’t. Take advantage of that. They probably won’t even have to bottom out.
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#57 » by mksp » Sun May 14, 2023 11:26 pm

Is he kidding? Is this real?

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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#58 » by andrewtoney22 » Sun May 14, 2023 11:27 pm

Embiid for Brandon Ingram, Trey Murphy and future 1's ???
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#59 » by the_process » Sun May 14, 2023 11:29 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
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Ugh, it's all the trolls responding, but hey...I'll actually take this one because it's thought out.
My question for you is this...Who exactly are we supposed to run the offense through on this roster? Tyrese Maxey for all the good that he does can not be counted on to do that. James Harden has no lift or quickness anymore and is simply too inconsistent to take on that role at his age. I guess you hope that Maxey evolves into that type of player? It's puzzling to me that your solution to this is to simply trade Embiid and rebuild. You have Harden who is putting on a good poker face, but is clearly going to opt in because NOBODY is going to pay him 30 million dollars much less a max deal. You have Tucker under contract and it's an impossible one to move should we decide to pull a youth movement. Tobias is still on the books and is probably more of a deadline deal type of move if at all.

I just disagree that trading Embiid is a logical option, but at least you added an opinion to this and gave reasons why. I don't see Embiid as the issue here. I think who we've put around him has been the problem. I think paying Tobias Harris 180 million dollars over keeping Jimmy Butler because Ben Simmons wanted the ball has been the problem. I think paying Al Horford a ridiculous amount of money to be a backup to Embiid has been the problem. I think we made the wrong trade when we finally did move Ben Simmons. Getting James Harden was a decent consolation prize to an otherwise disastrous situation, but Harden looked past his prime prior to even coming here. It was expect the worst and hope for the best with him. I think trading Embiid is the final nail in the coffin of what once was The Process. That's cool if you're ready to do that, but some of us see it differently.


Harden will opt out. And if Morey doesn’t pay him Houston will. Let them.

Their last trade package is Maxey, Harris, and a 2029 1st. Who is that going to be the best package for? OG Anunoby? That excite you?

All the mistakes have finally buried them. The way forward is with the bounty received from a Joel trade.


If we trade Joel doesn't that present the risk of becoming a treadmill team again? With the pieces acquired from him paired with what he still have we wouldn't be bad enough for the lottery, but we wouldn't be good enough to compete. Have you forgotten how maddening that was during the mid 2000s with Iverson?


They are a treadmill team now. Right now. The new version of the Wall-Beal Wizards. And I don’t think the pieces received for Joel keep you out of the lottery. Unless you’re doing an Embiid for JJJ/Morant type deal and hope like hell that Ja gets new friends?
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Re: Sixers Post Mortem Talk (Where Do We Go From Here?) 

Post#60 » by jibba jones » Sun May 14, 2023 11:30 pm

Could Orlando get Maxey for #11 this year?
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