Was Jokic robbed of the MVP?

[LBJKB24MJ23]

If the voters saw this performance then yeah they don't vote Embiid.

But MVP is a regular season award

but still Jokic was better even in regular season

that tired voter syndrome

[clyde21]

i won't say robbed of MVP, it's a regular season award, but i won't have anymore Jokic slander on this board. the guy is a top 5 offensive engine of all time (Jordan/Bron/Steph/Magic...and yes, Jokic).

[ElectricMayhem]

Embiid had a great season, but in a world where neither of them had yet won the MVP, it would've most certainly gone to Jokic.

[HEAT33]

1. MJ
2. Jokic
3. Lebron

[WhatTheBuck]

No, Giannis was robbed of the award. Best record in the league, and got there with his second best player being absent/scrub-worthy the whole way.

Jokic finished where he should have though.

Embiid of course got the award due to crying for it a couple of years in a row and should have clearly finished 3rd this year.

[Big J]

No, he wasn’t robbed or the MVP. Yes, voters take past playoff performance into account when voting. It’s the same reason Giannis didn’t win 3 MVPs before he won a ring.

[tdotrep2]

probably, but voter fatigue was always bound to happen + embiid crying

[Drakeem]

No, he wasn’t robbed or the MVP. Yes, voters take past playoff performance into account when voting. It’s the same reason Giannis didn’t win 3 MVPs before he won a ring.

Makes sense, Embiid has a great history of getting deep in the playoffs.

[NZB2323]

It’s a regular season award that Jokic doesn’t care about, and the Nuggets lost some games after they locked up the 1 seed. Jokic wasn’t robbed of anything.

[soxfan2003]

Robbed is too strong of a word but the wrong player won regular season MVP.

It is a regular season award but for Jokic deserved it if one is just going to narrowly focus on this regular season. He also deserved the last 2.

But in NBA history, lots of players that have deserved MVPs didn't get one in the years they deserved it at least since it is based upon narratives and a lot based upon team success. The days of Moses Malone winning it on a team around .500 appear to be over and that could legitimately knock out the true MVP of the league.

Fair or unfair since Jokic hadn't won a title or even made the NBA finals, the bar for him to win MVP was going to be raised by quite a bit. Since Embiid had finished 2nd previously, voters voted for Embiid this year in some sort of (temporary) anti Jokic and pro Embiid vote.

If Embiid had one the MVP last year, Jokic would have won it this year.

End of the day with the days of tons of superstars playing 75+ game seasons and there being less focus on the regular season, the regular season MVP doesn't mean as much as it once did.

If he had been put in different circumstance and especially if he had played in a different era, Anthony Davis could have had multiple MVPs.

[dautjazz]

Do we really have to spell it out?

[Red8911]

Jokic deserved it he was the best player AND his team was first seed. Easy MVP. It’s not because Embiid/Philly lost in the playoffs. A lot of people tend to confuse playoffs vs season. It’s a season MVP, playoffs have nothing to do with that reward that’s why they really should name the MVP immediately once the season is over.

[dautjazz]

No, he wasn't, Embiid was a legitimate choice, a favourable choice if you account for Jokic winning 2 years in a row.
Hiw the media went about it, though, and not just Perkins, was shameful, unfair and uncalled for, they should be ashamed of themselves.

You described voter fatigue. Jokic should of won by a country mile. Embiid was closer to Giannis than Joker IMO. Game record without Joker clearly showed the carry job Joker did.

[Harry Garris]

I think Jokic is a better player but Embiid had an awesome season and deserved the award. It's a regular season award. We have to stop using periods of time outside of the specified period of time for the award, to discredit players and teams.

Also, the "yes" and "no" options on the poll are opposite of the question of the thread title lol

What about the regular season didn't paint the picture that Jokic was better, more valuable, and had the better season?

Personally I would love it if the MVP was truly a “who was the best player this year” award. But that’s not what the award is.

[Medbrat]

It was a "racist votede sydrome", not "tired voter".

[soxfan2003]

No, he wasn’t robbed or the MVP. Yes, voters take past playoff performance into account when voting. It’s the same reason Giannis didn’t win 3 MVPs before he won a ring.

Makes sense, Embiid has a great history of getting deep in the playoffs.

It makes sense, voters don't mind given 1 or even 2 MVPs to a non title winner since on a certain level they realize it is a team game and not all superstars have equal supporting casts but fair or unfair, the bar does appear to be raised for a third MVP.

I highly doubt Embiid gets 3 MVPs without at a minimum making the NBA finals at least once and frankly unless he wins it once, I doubt he gets 3 MVPs.

[soxfan2003]

It was a "racist votede sydrome", not "tired voter".

Race may have entered the equation for some voters, but I suspect if Jokic was black or Embiid white, Embiid still wins it this year even if the vote may have been closer this year.

The wrong person has probably won regular season MVP at least 10 times in the last 60 years. Charles Barkley is correct that he probably deserved a regular season MVP for carrying a Philly team that wasn't very good but he only one MVP when he wasn't as good but on a much better Phoenix team. The voters kind of create their ever changing criteria. And if a player was truly deserving of finishing let's say 2nd or 3rd in MVP 5 or 6 times, chances are voters at some point have sympathy for that player and just vote him MVP.

[Adam Stern]

This is weird.
There have been seasons with multiple worthy candidates before inevitably leaving one fan base feeling shorted ('11, '12, '17', and '19 to name a few) but there was never this level of consternation and vitriol around here.

What's so different now?

[dhsilv2]

I think Jokic is a better player but Embiid had an awesome season and deserved the award. It's a regular season award. We have to stop using periods of time outside of the specified period of time for the award, to discredit players and teams.

Also, the "yes" and "no" options on the poll are opposite of the question of the thread title lol

What about the regular season didn't paint the picture that Jokic was better, more valuable, and had the better season?

Personally I would love it if the MVP was truly a “who was the best player this year” award. But that’s not what the award is.

Agree with that, but I covered pretty much every other way we do it. The story wasn't even better with Embiid. The 76ers given harden had a pretty good year, under preformed. Embiid didn't have a special year for him. Jokic made a bitter impact to his team, again. Jokic's team got the 1 seed in the west. There's just no reasonable argument other than "jokic didn't play his best at the end of the year and we ignore the start of the year, and ignore than the nuggets were testing lineups as they locked up the 1 seed".

[Gil Renard]

Yes. It was known when it was announced and just got further proven. This was the most fraudulent MVP in the history of sports. Absolutely disgusting embarrassment. Crybiid is not even near the same power level as Jokic. Totally based on politics.