Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[Netaman]

thoughts on Derrick White or Brogdon? Regardless of how their season ends up, the Celtics could look to readjust their roster to add wing depth and use some of their guard depth to do so, especially if Grant Williams leaves. The Nets would be the inverse with wing depth and need a guard (for DFS or O'Neale).

I like either of them in the ideal dinwiddie role (6th man, extra ball handler). if you strike out on the 3 better options i don't hate swapping either of them for a royce or dfs. that would have better balanced the roster this year. probably not enough to make any kind of big difference though.

if you have to include dinwiddie in the trade for a pg then adding 1 of those guys would make sense. not positive of how their contract situations play out but the nets have that trade exception which i think could accomodate either of them (along with a pick(s)?).

[Netaman]

I think a lillard trade makes the most sense if you're unloading Simmons... but we know how unlikely that is.

i wouldn't call it unlikely as much as uknown. i think it's literally 50-50. either teams are intrigued with rolling the dice on simmons upside or they arent.

if you want an andrew wiggins outcome you have to be willing to risk an andrew wiggins toxic max contract.

for the nets i wouldn't mind him as a placeholder for star #3 if it's easier to get star #2 by not unloading him.

[Netaman]

playing out my last post, i think this would pretty simple plan would constitute a step forward for the core while preserving most of the trade capital for star #3 either in-season if a siakam type shakes loose or whoever:

1. S&T for FVV (cam t or a future pick, expiring salary filler)

2. consolidate some draft capital and try to move up into the lotto (possibly attach dfs/royce) - ideally there's someone they like a lot. someone on trade board floated DFS plus both picks for Dallas' #10, i like that a lot if there's someone there they want.

3. extend CJ

4. add a veteran big that compliments Claxton like olynyk (maybe use trade exception and a pick or cam t)

FVV (29 yo, would be signed for 4 years)
Oneale (29 yo, signed for 1 more year)
Bridges (27yo, signed for 4 more years)
CJ (27 yo, likely extends for 4 more years)
Claxton (24 yo, signed for 1 more year)

6th man Dinwiddie
Olynyk as backup big man
#10 pick (presumably front court player)

and then Simmons as the placeholder for star #3/wild card. Ideally he is the starter over O'neale and he and FVV can share playmaking duties. if he remains toxic he's just salary swap placeholder in a package with all the picks they'd still have.

lillard and trae are interesting hypotheticals instead of fvv that just depend on price. if lillard wants in and portland is reasonable id do that. but if the price is significantly different id be pretty happy to get the younger fvv who is a really good fit for the culture they should be trying to double down on.

[Eatgreenz]

playing out my last post, i think this would pretty simple plan would constitute a step forward for the core while preserving most of the trade capital for star #3 either in-season if a siakam type shakes loose or whoever:

1. S&T for FVV (cam t or a future pick, expiring salary filler)

2. consolidate some draft capital and try to move up into the lotto (possibly attach dfs/royce) - ideally there's someone they like a lot. someone on trade board floated DFS plus both picks for Dallas' #10, i like that a lot if there's someone there they want.

3. extend CJ

4. add a veteran big that compliments Claxton like olynyk (maybe use trade exception and a pick or cam t)

FVV (29 yo, would be signed for 4 years)
Oneale (29 yo, signed for 1 more year)
Bridges (27yo, signed for 4 more years)
CJ (27 yo, likely extends for 4 more years)
Claxton (24 yo, signed for 1 more year)

6th man Dinwiddie
Olynyk as backup big man
#10 pick (presumably front court player)

and then Simmons as the placeholder for star #3/wild card. Ideally he is the starter over O'neale and he and FVV can share playmaking duties. if he remains toxic he's just salary swap placeholder in a package with all the picks they'd still have.

lillard and trae are interesting hypotheticals instead of fvv that just depend on price. if lillard wants in and portland is reasonable id do that. but if the price is significantly different id be pretty happy to get the younger fvv who is a really good fit for the culture they should be trying to double down on.

Feels like Marks is following a plan you listed. Being patient while still trying to have roster that competing in the playoffs. Ben is definitely the wildcard he changes what we can do if gets back to his old self. While Marks is not putting all his eggs in that with the rumors he scouting Bens market. Marks knows this offseason is important for us setting what we can do in the future.

[kan_t]

The more I think about it, the more I think that trading for Poole would be a very Marks' type move.

[Decipher]

The more I think about it, the more I think that trading for Poole would be a very Marks' type move.

GSW are desperate and the rumblings coming out of there aren't good

Guarantee that they'll listen to something like Din/DFS for Poole/Kuminga/pick

[Eatgreenz]

The more I think about it, the more I think that trading for Poole would be a very Marks' type move.

GSW are desperate and the rumblings coming out of there aren't good

Guarantee that they'll listen to something like Din/DFS for Poole/Kuminga/pick

I don't really like poole's mental makeup seems like a selfish chucker. What's everyone opinion on Kuminga his a high upside guy we could take a chance on

[kan_t]

The more I think about it, the more I think that trading for Poole would be a very Marks' type move.

GSW are desperate and the rumblings coming out of there aren't good

Guarantee that they'll listen to something like Din/DFS for Poole/Kuminga/pick

I don't really like poole's mental makeup seems like a selfish chucker. What's everyone opinion on Kuminga his a high upside guy we could take a chance on

There is reason why he may be available and the asking price shouldn't be high. It's just like the Dlo trade. Sometime players take time to be mature.

[Eatgreenz]

GSW are desperate and the rumblings coming out of there aren't good

Guarantee that they'll listen to something like Din/DFS for Poole/Kuminga/pick

I don't really like poole's mental makeup seems like a selfish chucker. What's everyone opinion on Kuminga his a high upside guy we could take a chance on

There is reason why he may be available and the asking price shouldn't be high. It's just like the Dlo trade. Sometime players take time to be mature.

Thats true, would just depend on his asking price.

[Decipher]

GSW are desperate and the rumblings coming out of there aren't good

Guarantee that they'll listen to something like Din/DFS for Poole/Kuminga/pick

I don't really like poole's mental makeup seems like a selfish chucker. What's everyone opinion on Kuminga his a high upside guy we could take a chance on

There is reason why he may be available and the asking price shouldn't be high. It's just like the Dlo trade. Sometime players take time to be mature.

My view on Poole & Dlo is that much depends on the availability of Simmons

Put either beside a near peak Simmons & they become potent as he will mask their deficiencies

His health is the great unknown

Kuminga has talent & has been under-utilised by GSW

They have the 19th pick (?) and Kerr will not play that player

Ask for Poole/Kuminga & the pick

[NetsWorld]

I don't really like poole's mental makeup seems like a selfish chucker. What's everyone opinion on Kuminga his a high upside guy we could take a chance on

There is reason why he may be available and the asking price shouldn't be high. It's just like the Dlo trade. Sometime players take time to be mature.

My view on Poole & Dlo is that much depends on the availability of Simmons

Put either beside a near peak Simmons & they become potent as he will mask their deficiencies

His health is the great unknown

Kuminga has talent & has been under-utilised by GSW

They have the 19th pick (?) and Kerr will not play that player

Ask for Poole/Kuminga & the pick

It will all come down to whether Golden State will extend Green and Klay. They don’t want Klay having tons of money, and they are working with Green on an extension, so I can see Kuminga/Poole being available. Super young players with time to develop.

[TheNetsFan]

There is reason why he may be available and the asking price shouldn't be high. It's just like the Dlo trade. Sometime players take time to be mature.

My view on Poole & Dlo is that much depends on the availability of Simmons

Put either beside a near peak Simmons & they become potent as he will mask their deficiencies

His health is the great unknown

Kuminga has talent & has been under-utilised by GSW

They have the 19th pick (?) and Kerr will not play that player

Ask for Poole/Kuminga & the pick

It will all come down to whether Golden State will extend Green and Klay. They don’t want Klay having tons of money, and they are working with Green on an extension, so I can see Kuminga/Poole being available. Super young players with time to develop.

Hell no on Poole. I don't see why he seems like a Marks move. Kuminga is worth the gamble if he can be had at a reasonable price.

[NetsWorld]

My view on Poole & Dlo is that much depends on the availability of Simmons

Put either beside a near peak Simmons & they become potent as he will mask their deficiencies

His health is the great unknown

Kuminga has talent & has been under-utilised by GSW

They have the 19th pick (?) and Kerr will not play that player

Ask for Poole/Kuminga & the pick

It will all come down to whether Golden State will extend Green and Klay. They don’t want Klay having tons of money, and they are working with Green on an extension, so I can see Kuminga/Poole being available. Super young players with time to develop.

Hell no on Poole. I don't see why he seems like a Marks move. Kuminga is worth the gamble if he can be had at a reasonable price.

I agree on Poole; he has a hefty contract and is too immature. Kuminga is still 21 and can be developed; I’m all in on Kumnga but he doesn’t solve our big problem.

[CalamityX12]

I'm on board in declining Poole.

Doesn't seem right nor we have the muscle in experience to keep him in check.

Please no

[Papi_swav]

heck no on Poole, that contract is bad and he's not that good, glorified 6th man. Kuminga seems interesting, he reminds me of Gerald Wallace a little bit. but he's still very young and can develop

[Mosdefinition]

I have 2 crazy players to target but I think either fits markelle fultz or Cole anthony

[Mosdefinition]

I'm on board in declining Poole.

Doesn't seem right nor we have the muscle in experience to keep him in check.

Please no

I think it's worth the risk

Warriors are toxic for young players he seems to be a victim of that

[Mosdefinition]

I don't really like poole's mental makeup seems like a selfish chucker. What's everyone opinion on Kuminga his a high upside guy we could take a chance on

There is reason why he may be available and the asking price shouldn't be high. It's just like the Dlo trade. Sometime players take time to be mature.

Thats true, would just depend on his asking price.

That's the thing I think since combo of dinwiddie Joe Harris dfs or Royce get it done

[Decipher]

There is reason why he may be available and the asking price shouldn't be high. It's just like the Dlo trade. Sometime players take time to be mature.

Thats true, would just depend on his asking price.

That's the thing I think since combo of dinwiddie Joe Harris dfs or Royce get it done

My simple view is that we have players on the roster with no future here and IF we can buy low plus get a prospect and a pick then it might be worth a punt

If we were able to land GSW's first rounder as part of the deal then we are one step closer to having a star package

[CalamityX12]

I'm on board in declining Poole.

Doesn't seem right nor we have the muscle in experience to keep him in check.

Please no

I think it's worth the risk

Warriors are toxic for young players he seems to be a victim of that

Like who?