Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[Hal14]

With the new contracts Tatum and Brown will be getting $600 mil between them), and with the new CBA, we'll barely be able to have 2 max contract players on the same team and still have enough $ left over to have a decent enough supporting cast for them. No way in hell we'd be able to have 3 max contract guys on the same team.

The league doesn't want anymore super teams. You can have 2 stars, not 3.

Probably more when you consider that Tatum can sign after the new cap spike and new TV deal. 35% of the new cap is gonna be an OBSCENE amount of money and he's gonna be worth every penny. But yeah, it's gonna make it tremendously difficult to pay for that roster. I actually wonder if they don't begin cutting a few corners after this season.

Between having to cut corners, plus the fact that we ended up with the highest draft pick ever since Brad took over, I think Brad and staff will take this draft pick that we have next month pretty seriously.

Especially with what we've seen this postseason from a guy who just went undrafted 2 yrs ago (Austin Reaves). Brad and staff are going to really try to nail this pick. They know that you can find some really good players in the 2nd round (or in UDFA pool) but in order to do it, you have to have really good scouting.

[Cricket23]

A few months ago I thought Grant was a lock to be back but his inexplicable disappearance from the rotation is alarming. I don't think they'll let him walk for nothing, and a sign and trade with Detroit makes a lot of sense to me. Isaiah Stewart really started trying to shoot 3's this year, and it's because he's no longer their center of the future. Basically, they are hoping he turns into Grant Williams. A straight S & T swap works the way I see it. Some will say, why would Detroit do that when they can sign him outright? Well they can't if Boston makes it known they will match any offer.

[165bows]

With the new contracts Tatum and Brown will be getting $600 mil between them), and with the new CBA, we'll barely be able to have 2 max contract players on the same team and still have enough $ left over to have a decent enough supporting cast for them. No way in hell we'd be able to have 3 max contract guys on the same team.

The league doesn't want anymore super teams. You can have 2 stars, not 3.

Probably more when you consider that Tatum can sign after the new cap spike and new TV deal. 35% of the new cap is gonna be an OBSCENE amount of money and he's gonna be worth every penny. But yeah, it's gonna make it tremendously difficult to pay for that roster. I actually wonder if they don't begin cutting a few corners after this season.

Between having to cut corners, plus the fact that we ended up with the highest draft pick ever since Brad took over, I think Brad and staff will take this draft pick that we have next month pretty seriously.

Especially with what we've seen this postseason from a guy who just went undrafted 2 yrs ago (Austin Reaves). Brad and staff are going to really try to nail this pick. They know that you can find some really good players in the 2nd round (or in UDFA pool) but in order to do it, you have to have really good scouting.

There’s a ton of undrafted guys in conference finals rosters. Hauser/Kornet with Hause a shot to see playing time. Miami’s starting backcourt of Strus/Vincent wasn’t drafted, plus Martin started through the last series, and Reaves as you mentioned.

Basically 20% of conference finals starters right now weren’t drafted, plus at least Vanderbilt, Brogdon, Jokic were second rounders, not to mention Butler as a super late first.

[brackdan70]

Miami: Payton Pritchard, #26

Indiana: #18

Boston: #29

Miami get Strus/Vincent replacement. Boston get their pick back. Indy consolidates for a late teens pick.

Could throw in Theis/Gallo swap to sweeten it for the Pacers. Or add in Yam or JD for the Heat since they need cheap bodies (but then I'd ask for #26 not #29).

I love it but Pritchard do any have that kind of value.

[brackdan70]

Supermax contract extensions. 35% of the cap in year 1 with 8% raises. Right? Salary cap will appreciate by 10% under the new CBA with the smoothing. Am I right? So these supermax contracts are good investments…assuming it’s not Westbrook.

[cl2117]

Miami: Payton Pritchard, #26

Indiana: #18

Boston: #29

Miami get Strus/Vincent replacement. Boston get their pick back. Indy consolidates for a late teens pick.

Could throw in Theis/Gallo swap to sweeten it for the Pacers. Or add in Yam or JD for the Heat since they need cheap bodies (but then I'd ask for #26 not #29).

I love it but Pritchard do any have that kind of value.

I think you'd be surprised.

Miami is in cap hell, likely loses one if not both of Strus/Vincent as unrestricted free agents and is going to still be looking to maximize their window with Jimmy. Moving back 8 spots to replace one of the aforementioned guys isn't a bad price since they'd be getting a rotation player.

They've got limited ways to get better and have done well in the late first/early 2nd round historically. Seems like a good fit, especially with Pritchard working in their system and having some level of team control beyond next year.

[hugepatsfan]

I’d be shocked if Stevens went after Ayton. I don’t think he wants to go the “Big 3” route on the cap sheet unless it’s a real “Big 3” on the court. Ayton isn’t even an all star. I think rather than pay a sub all star $35M/year you’d rather split that between two guys like White and Grant. That’s how you build rotation depth for different matchups and that’s a better alternative than paying third star money to someone who isn’t a star.

I’d be surprised if we made a deal where we consolidate two of our top 8 (including Grant as the 8th guy as a sign & trade) into one higher priced player. Unless it’s a guy who’s REALLY worth it, I think they’d like to continue to have a small army of guys in that $10-20M range for the supporting cast.

[Celts17Pride]

I’d be shocked if Stevens went after Ayton. I don’t think he wants to go the “Big 3” route on the cap sheet unless it’s a real “Big 3” on the court. Ayton isn’t even an all star. I think rather than pay a sub all star $35M/year you’d rather split that between two guys like White and Grant. That’s how you build rotation depth for different matchups and that’s a better alternative than paying third star money to someone who isn’t a star.

I’d be surprised if we made a deal where we consolidate two of our top 8 (including Grant as the 8th guy as a sign & trade) into one higher priced player. Unless it’s a guy who’s REALLY worth it, I think they’d like to continue to have a small army of guys in that $10-20M range for the supporting cast.

Celtics and Brad Stevens like wings not bigs.

[Larry_Russell]

I hope that Detroit wins the #1 pick because surely one of their Centers becomes available.

Victor
Stewart
Duren
Wiseman

Too many bigs/centers on the roster

Also, surely houston will move someone this offseason with getting Scoot or Miller and probably Harden...

PG: Porter-Washington-Hudgins
SG: Green - Christopher-Nix
SF: Martin-Tate-
PF: Smith-Eason-Days
C: Sengun-Garuba

If they get Harden (at PG) and Miller or Scoot they will be very weighed down on the wing.


IMO, I can see MartinJr (Bench scorer) getting dealt from Houston and Stewart (New Al Horford) dealt from Detroit and I think we can put together a fair package for both those 2.

Smart/Brogdon
Brown/White
Tatum/MartinJr
Stewart/Gallo
Timelord/Horford


Grant sign and trade for Stewart
Peyton Pritchard, Luke Kornet for Martin Jr.

[Larry_Russell]

If Jaylen claims he is leaving.....

Kevin Porter Junior and houstons #1 pick for Brown.
If that pick is #2 can trade down like we did with Tatum to nab Walker and something else

Smart/Brogs
Porter Jr/White
Tatum/
Walker/Gallo
Timelord/Horford


In some ways I think that team could be better because some of the things we need from Brown is actually improve by Porter Jr.

Kevin handles the ball really really well and can create very well and is a good>great scorer on all three levels.

[snowman]

I only see one trade for us this summer. Pritchard for a draft pick. Brad will have a very busy summer, and could very well surprise me, but I don't see it. He worked too hard to get the roster where it is now. Moves will be made, I just don't expect them to be many trades.

I have recently thought it would be best to bring Horford off the bench and start Rob in a one big rotation. However, with seeing the defense the last 2 games against Philly, using our two big system, I'm back on the start Rob and Al together.

Smart, Brown (soon to be signed super max deal), Tatum (soon to be super max extension next season), Horford and Rob Williams.
We all know that White and Brogden would then run the 2nd team. Muscala's option will be picked up. Gallo will pick up his player option and the team will monitor where his rehab is at. Kornet's contract will be guaranteed. Hauser will be back also. That's 11 spots there.

I think a few things need to happen this off season other than trading Pritchard, hopefully after winning the title.

1) trade Pritchard for the best draft pick you can get. JD Davison, I would think will take his roster spot. That's the 11th spot.
2) during the exit interviews, Brad needs to tell Grant that if he will commit to playing the SF spot, keep working the spot up 3's and playing tough defense, and keep his mouth shut to the refs, then he can get a contract offer similar to Robs at 12 mil a year average. (I mean does anyone here think Grant is more impactful to our game then Rob is?) If he has a problem with this, then let him find another club to sign him, we will match it and then trade his butt where we can get the most back from, and he can't do anything about it. No team is going to give him a no trade clause in the contract, so we would certainly have that option. That's the 13th spot, for now.
3) I know I have been saying this a while now, but we need to sign Kabengele to a 4-year minimum contract with the last two years team options. I feel that the reason we didn't sign him this past year to a regular contract was 3-fold. Brad knew he had another year of 2-way eligibility, could still use him if needed for 50 some regular season games and he needed soon major run to develop. Well, he got all that. Now that he can't be signed to another 2-way deal, we need to lock him up long and cheap. The man is 6'10, 250, averaged 20 pts, almost 11 rebounds, shot 34% from 3, 80% from FT, and blocked over a shot per game. I know this was G-League, but I'll take this as my 2nd team big all day long. You certainly don't let him walk away. He's a better shoot, stronger and more active than Kornet. I still bring back Kornet as my 3rd center, but Kabengele would be my back up behind Rob, so Gallo and Muscala could back up Horford. Sorry Blake, but it will be time for you to move on. I love your hustle, and grit, but at 35, we need to get younger with Kabengele. That's the 14th spot
4) Draft the best wing you can. I think that wing should be Jalen Wilson from Kansas. I have mentioned him before.
5) Get our draft pick, Begarin, Madar and Champagine, on the summer league team. There will be one roster spot open for someone. May the best one win it. There will also be three 2-way spots for someone.

[165bows]

I only see one trade for us this summer. Pritchard for a draft pick. Brad will have a very busy summer, and could very well surprise me, but I don't see it. He worked too hard to get the roster where it is now. Moves will be made, I just don't expect them to be many trades.

I have recently thought it would be best to bring Horford off the bench and start Rob in a one big rotation. However, with seeing the defense the last 2 games against Philly, using our two big system, I'm back on the start Rob and Al together.

Smart, Brown (soon to be signed super max deal), Tatum (soon to be super max extension next season), Horford and Rob Williams.
We all know that White and Brogden would then run the 2nd team. Muscala's option will be picked up. Gallo will pick up his player option and the team will monitor where his rehab is at. Kornet's contract will be guaranteed. Hauser will be back also. That's 11 spots there.

I think a few things need to happen this off season other than trading Pritchard, hopefully after winning the title.

1) trade Pritchard for the best draft pick you can get. JD Davison, I would think will take his roster spot. That's the 11th spot.
2) during the exit interviews, Brad needs to tell Grant that if he will commit to playing the SF spot, keep working the spot up 3's and playing tough defense, and keep his mouth shut to the refs, then he can get a contract offer similar to Robs at 12 mil a year average. (I mean does anyone here think Grant is more impactful to our game then Rob is?) If he has a problem with this, then let him find another club to sign him, we will match it and then trade his butt where we can get the most back from, and he can't do anything about it. No team is going to give him a no trade clause in the contract, so we would certainly have that option. That's the 13th spot, for now.
3) I know I have been saying this a while now, but we need to sign Kabengele to a 4-year minimum contract with the last two years team options. I feel that the reason we didn't sign him this past year to a regular contract was 3-fold. Brad knew he had another year of 2-way eligibility, could still use him if needed for 50 some regular season games and he needed soon major run to develop. Well, he got all that. Now that he can't be signed to another 2-way deal, we need to lock him up long and cheap. The man is 6'10, 250, averaged 20 pts, almost 11 rebounds, shot 34% from 3, 80% from FT, and blocked over a shot per game. I know this was G-League, but I'll take this as my 2nd team big all day long. You certainly don't let him walk away. He's a better shoot, stronger and more active than Kornet. I still bring back Kornet as my 3rd center, but Kabengele would be my back up behind Rob, so Gallo and Muscala could back up Horford. Sorry Blake, but it will be time for you to move on. I love your hustle, and grit, but at 35, we need to get younger with Kabengele. That's the 14th spot
4) Draft the best wing you can. I think that wing should be Jalen Wilson from Kansas. I have mentioned him before.
5) Get our draft pick, Begarin, Madar and Champagine, on the summer league team. There will be one roster spot open for someone. May the best one win it. There will also be three 2-way spots for someone.

Big question is the new apron and if and when they get forced to go over. I think this team is better set up then most to exist over the second apron - just keep the band together and fill in with udfa’s and vet free agents.

Sounds like a bunch of teams will have hard decisions to make and I have the feeling this will hit the high end teams the hardest.

If there is the need to get under then bigger changes will happen.

[bucknersrevenge]

I only see one trade for us this summer. Pritchard for a draft pick. Brad will have a very busy summer, and could very well surprise me, but I don't see it. He worked too hard to get the roster where it is now. Moves will be made, I just don't expect them to be many trades.

I have recently thought it would be best to bring Horford off the bench and start Rob in a one big rotation. However, with seeing the defense the last 2 games against Philly, using our two big system, I'm back on the start Rob and Al together.

Smart, Brown (soon to be signed super max deal), Tatum (soon to be super max extension next season), Horford and Rob Williams.
We all know that White and Brogden would then run the 2nd team. Muscala's option will be picked up. Gallo will pick up his player option and the team will monitor where his rehab is at. Kornet's contract will be guaranteed. Hauser will be back also. That's 11 spots there.

I think a few things need to happen this off season other than trading Pritchard, hopefully after winning the title.

1) trade Pritchard for the best draft pick you can get. JD Davison, I would think will take his roster spot. That's the 11th spot.
2) during the exit interviews, Brad needs to tell Grant that if he will commit to playing the SF spot, keep working the spot up 3's and playing tough defense, and keep his mouth shut to the refs, then he can get a contract offer similar to Robs at 12 mil a year average. (I mean does anyone here think Grant is more impactful to our game then Rob is?) If he has a problem with this, then let him find another club to sign him, we will match it and then trade his butt where we can get the most back from, and he can't do anything about it. No team is going to give him a no trade clause in the contract, so we would certainly have that option. That's the 13th spot, for now.
3) I know I have been saying this a while now, but we need to sign Kabengele to a 4-year minimum contract with the last two years team options. I feel that the reason we didn't sign him this past year to a regular contract was 3-fold. Brad knew he had another year of 2-way eligibility, could still use him if needed for 50 some regular season games and he needed soon major run to develop. Well, he got all that. Now that he can't be signed to another 2-way deal, we need to lock him up long and cheap. The man is 6'10, 250, averaged 20 pts, almost 11 rebounds, shot 34% from 3, 80% from FT, and blocked over a shot per game. I know this was G-League, but I'll take this as my 2nd team big all day long. You certainly don't let him walk away. He's a better shoot, stronger and more active than Kornet. I still bring back Kornet as my 3rd center, but Kabengele would be my back up behind Rob, so Gallo and Muscala could back up Horford. Sorry Blake, but it will be time for you to move on. I love your hustle, and grit, but at 35, we need to get younger with Kabengele. That's the 14th spot
4) Draft the best wing you can. I think that wing should be Jalen Wilson from Kansas. I have mentioned him before.
5) Get our draft pick, Begarin, Madar and Champagine, on the summer league team. There will be one roster spot open for someone. May the best one win it. There will also be three 2-way spots for someone.

I can't see a world where Brad tells Grant this at all. For one thing, Grant's value isn't in pigeon-holing him into one position. It's in his positional versatility. Brad's not gonna do something that forces Grant to sabotage his own value. As for the salary, I know everyone supposedly signed his death warrant after the Cleveland game but I believe his value persists nonetheless. And when the new tv money hits and the cap spikes again, 20M is gonna be the "new 12M". Don't think for a second that he hasn't thought about that. I believe that there are teams in this league he could start for right now. Question is who will pay him the money?

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Come on,
You all know what time it is.
Time to bring back Theis...

[Curmudgeon]

Well, I'd move Pritchard for someone like Naz Reid, and GWill in a sign-and-trade if he can't be resigned for reasonable dollars. IMHO GWill's fate depends in part on Gallinari's health.

[31to6]

If Jaylen claims he is leaving.....

Kevin Porter Junior and houstons #1 pick for Brown.
If that pick is #2 can trade down like we did with Tatum to nab Walker and something else

Smart/Brogs
Porter Jr/White
Tatum/
Walker/Gallo
Timelord/Horford


In some ways I think that team could be better because some of the things we need from Brown is actually improve by Porter Jr.

Kevin handles the ball really really well and can create very well and is a good>great scorer on all three levels.

KPJr TO% = 16% last year, 17% for his career
TS = 57% last year, 54% career (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteke02.html)
BPM = 0.6, VORP = 1.3, WS/48 = 0.07 last year

JB TO% = 11% last year, 11% for his career
TS = 58% last year, 57% career (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html)
BPM = 1.3, VORP = 2.0, WS/48 = 0.1 last year

KPJr. has Jaylen beat on assist % (27% to 17% last year), but is basically booty and JB is 2nd team All NBA. I know you're not proposing a one-for-one swap, but I don't see much area for what Jaylen provides to be improved by Porter Jr.

[Homerclease]

I only see one trade for us this summer. Pritchard for a draft pick. Brad will have a very busy summer, and could very well surprise me, but I don't see it. He worked too hard to get the roster where it is now. Moves will be made, I just don't expect them to be many trades.

I have recently thought it would be best to bring Horford off the bench and start Rob in a one big rotation. However, with seeing the defense the last 2 games against Philly, using our two big system, I'm back on the start Rob and Al together.

Smart, Brown (soon to be signed super max deal), Tatum (soon to be super max extension next season), Horford and Rob Williams.
We all know that White and Brogden would then run the 2nd team. Muscala's option will be picked up. Gallo will pick up his player option and the team will monitor where his rehab is at. Kornet's contract will be guaranteed. Hauser will be back also. That's 11 spots there.

I think a few things need to happen this off season other than trading Pritchard, hopefully after winning the title.

1) trade Pritchard for the best draft pick you can get. JD Davison, I would think will take his roster spot. That's the 11th spot.
2) during the exit interviews, Brad needs to tell Grant that if he will commit to playing the SF spot, keep working the spot up 3's and playing tough defense, and keep his mouth shut to the refs, then he can get a contract offer similar to Robs at 12 mil a year average. (I mean does anyone here think Grant is more impactful to our game then Rob is?) If he has a problem with this, then let him find another club to sign him, we will match it and then trade his butt where we can get the most back from, and he can't do anything about it. No team is going to give him a no trade clause in the contract, so we would certainly have that option. That's the 13th spot, for now.
3) I know I have been saying this a while now, but we need to sign Kabengele to a 4-year minimum contract with the last two years team options. I feel that the reason we didn't sign him this past year to a regular contract was 3-fold. Brad knew he had another year of 2-way eligibility, could still use him if needed for 50 some regular season games and he needed soon major run to develop. Well, he got all that. Now that he can't be signed to another 2-way deal, we need to lock him up long and cheap. The man is 6'10, 250, averaged 20 pts, almost 11 rebounds, shot 34% from 3, 80% from FT, and blocked over a shot per game. I know this was G-League, but I'll take this as my 2nd team big all day long. You certainly don't let him walk away. He's a better shoot, stronger and more active than Kornet. I still bring back Kornet as my 3rd center, but Kabengele would be my back up behind Rob, so Gallo and Muscala could back up Horford. Sorry Blake, but it will be time for you to move on. I love your hustle, and grit, but at 35, we need to get younger with Kabengele. That's the 14th spot
4) Draft the best wing you can. I think that wing should be Jalen Wilson from Kansas. I have mentioned him before.
5) Get our draft pick, Begarin, Madar and Champagine, on the summer league team. There will be one roster spot open for someone. May the best one win it. There will also be three 2-way spots for someone.

I’m not his biggest fan but your valuation of Grant Williams continues to be bizarre. The guy is going to get the MLE at the bare minimum. Probably more. Rob is better but he took an injury discount and rightfully so

[Larry_Russell]

Pritchard and Grant sign and trade to Detroit for Burkes and Stewart.

Call it a day.

Smart/Brogs
Brown/White
Tatum/Burkes
Stewart/Gallo
Timelord/Horford

[Hal14]

Come on,
You all know what time it is.
Time to bring back Theis...

Nah. Not for $9 mil a year he has guaranteed on his contract for next season.

Why pay him that much, when we already have Muscala, Gallo, Griffin and Kornet as much cheaper options?

Or we could acquire some other big man, via trade or free agency who makes less than Theis.

[hugepatsfan]

Pritchard and Grant sign and trade to Detroit for Burkes and Stewart.

Call it a day.

Smart/Brogs
Brown/White
Tatum/Burkes
Stewart/Gallo
Timelord/Horford

Pistons project to have $38M of cap space. Why wouldn't they just sign Grant to a FA deal and keep Stewart/Burks?

Stewart also isn't a PF. Swap him and Horford here, if it does come to fruition.