GSW Dynasty is Over.

[JN61]

Poetic that the GS Dynasty started with beating Lebron and ends with losing to Lebron

It's just symmetry. It's just nature. Nothing lasts forever. In fact, I'm surprised it lasted this long.

nothing lasts forever except LeBron lmao

LeBron have had multiple lucky breaks this post season but he will be out quick against Jokic. Well done vs injured teams though even if his team has carried him quite a bit till this recent game.

[art_tatum]

With talks of resigning draymond? Yes it's over lol. Their style of play won't work anymore. The nba has caught up since 2018 but they were lucky to have KD. And last year steph and the warriors won when draymond was honestly a slight hindrance in the finals.
Gsw needs more shooters on the floor and better defenders than Poole lol

[DoctorX]

With talks of resigning draymond? Yes it's over lol. Their style of play won't work anymore. The nba has caught up since 2018 but they were lucky to have KD. And last year steph and the warriors won when draymond was honestly a slight hindrance in the finals.
Gsw needs more shooters on the floor and better defenders than Poole lol

Agreed it doesn't seem like they can play both Looney and Draymond at the same time. Both are limited when it comes to scoring. You are basically playing 3 on 5 on offense with them.

[DoctorX]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Warriors drafted Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They screwed themselves. Very few teams with Championship core's end up with 3 lottery picks with which to boost their roster. It was like watching the Pistons draft Darko all over again.

Sure, rookies contracts are cheap-ish depending on the slot, but you don't use lottery picks to draft cheap role players. Wiseman and Kuminga were obviously both projects that would need playing time to develop and Moody was drafted far too high and at a position where they didn't need help.

If they were looking for cheap role players they should have traded back or simply traded the picks for known talent. It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in hindsight. When you have Steph, Klay, and Dray in your long-term plans you're not going to have any room to develop those guys.

I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it has for Kuminga to start talking about moving on.

I think they thought they could develop those young guys and win at the same time much like the Spurs did with Kawhi when their big 3 had gotten up there in age.

[NCHeels2008]

It's just symmetry. It's just nature. Nothing lasts forever. In fact, I'm surprised it lasted this long.

nothing lasts forever except LeBron lmao

LeBron have had multiple lucky breaks this post season but he will be out quick against Jokic. Well done vs injured teams though even if his team has carried him quite a bit till this recent game.

Them being a 7 seed was a lucky break for the West. Lakers destroyed the Grizzlies lack of shooting, did Adams or Clarke become a 3 pt sniper and/or AD stopper? lmao They had their DPOY healthy. For GSW unless you're talking about a time machine they didn't use I'm not sure what lucky break the Lakers got with them.

[srhcan]

trade klay thompson, draymond green and steph curry to the Nets for 10 unprotected first-rounders, 8 swaps, Cameron johnson, nic claxton and mikal bridges and start the full rebuilding.

GSW dynasty was killed quite before in 2019 by Raptors

[Pennebaker]

It's just symmetry. It's just nature. Nothing lasts forever. In fact, I'm surprised it lasted this long.

nothing lasts forever except LeBron lmao

LeBron have had multiple lucky breaks this post season but he will be out quick against Jokic. Well done vs injured teams though even if his team has carried him quite a bit till this recent game.

The Nuggets are only a 53 win team. They're not imposing. They have no experience. They don't know how to win.

LeBron James is 10-1 in the Conference Finals and has not lost a Conference Finals series in 14 years.

The Lakers also have the best defense.

LAL is playing like a 60+ win team right now. It doesn't matter if you have home court advantage against them.

I think the 2023 Lakers-Nuggets Western Conference Finals matchup is going to look a little bit like the 2020 Lakers-Nuggets Western Conference Finals matchup. But instead of 4-1 Lakers I think perhaps 4-2 Lakers, the extra win due to the Nuggets having HCA in this series.

[jbk1234]

nothing lasts forever except LeBron lmao

LeBron have had multiple lucky breaks this post season but he will be out quick against Jokic. Well done vs injured teams though even if his team has carried him quite a bit till this recent game.

The Nuggets are only a 53 win team. They're not imposing. They have no experience. They don't know how to win.

LeBron James is 10-1 in the Conference Finals and has not lost a Conference Finals series in 14 years.

The Lakers also have the best defense.

LAL is playing like a 60+ win team right now. It doesn't matter if you have home court advantage against them.

I think the 2023 Lakers-Nuggets Western Conference Finals matchup is going to look a little bit like the 2020 Lakers-Nuggets Western Conference Finals matchup. But instead of 4-1 Lakers I think perhaps 4-2 Lakers, the extra win due to the Nuggets having HCA in this series.

Yeah, I think the Nuggets are going to give the Lakers more than they can handle. Jokic playing away from the paint is going to be a problem and one of Schroeder or Russell is going to have to guard Murray. That's not going to end well.

[OGSactownballer]

LeBron have had multiple lucky breaks this post season but he will be out quick against Jokic. Well done vs injured teams though even if his team has carried him quite a bit till this recent game.

The Nuggets are only a 53 win team. They're not imposing. They have no experience. They don't know how to win.

LeBron James is 10-1 in the Conference Finals and has not lost a Conference Finals series in 14 years.

The Lakers also have the best defense.

LAL is playing like a 60+ win team right now. It doesn't matter if you have home court advantage against them.

I think the 2023 Lakers-Nuggets Western Conference Finals matchup is going to look a little bit like the 2020 Lakers-Nuggets Western Conference Finals matchup. But instead of 4-1 Lakers I think perhaps 4-2 Lakers, the extra win due to the Nuggets having HCA in this series.

Yeah, I think the Nuggets are going to give the Lakers more than they can handle. Jokic playing away from the paint is going to be a problem and one of Schroeder or Russell is going to have to guard Murray. That's not going to end well.

This here.

The Nuggets have a gigantic size advantage - the factor that has held up for the Lakers through two series now.

LeBron will gas out every game in Mile high Denver by the late third to early fourth and if he doesn’t he should be tested for every known and unknown enhancer or supplement or hormone.

Guys like Rui and Austin Reaves - who have feasted against weak defenders and made the real difference so far are going to get a real taste of heavy physical D from the likes of Aaron Gordon and KCP - who can also expose them as the poor defenders they are.

Joker is going to make AD not only look human, he likely will cow him into submission and have him simply fouling. The man averaged a crazy triple double against a Suns team that is really a far superior defensive squad.

Yeah I don’t see this making it past six with Denver controlling it easily.

[vxmike]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Warriors drafted Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They screwed themselves. Very few teams with Championship core's end up with 3 lottery picks with which to boost their roster. It was like watching the Pistons draft Darko all over again.

Sure, rookies contracts are cheap-ish depending on the slot, but you don't use lottery picks to draft cheap role players. Wiseman and Kuminga were obviously both projects that would need playing time to develop and Moody was drafted far too high and at a position where they didn't need help.

If they were looking for cheap role players they should have traded back or simply traded the picks for known talent. It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in hindsight. When you have Steph, Klay, and Dray in your long-term plans you're not going to have any room to develop those guys.

I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it has for Kuminga to start talking about moving on.

This was the downfall of the dynasty. It was obvious these picks plus Poole should have been moved for known commodities. Now these players have almost zero value. I agree this was fairly obvious at the time. You can’t win and develop players unless you’re the Spurs with Duncan and Pop.

[hippesthippo]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Warriors drafted Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They screwed themselves. Very few teams with Championship core's end up with 3 lottery picks with which to boost their roster. It was like watching the Pistons draft Darko all over again.

Sure, rookies contracts are cheap-ish depending on the slot, but you don't use lottery picks to draft cheap role players. Wiseman and Kuminga were obviously both projects that would need playing time to develop and Moody was drafted far too high and at a position where they didn't need help.

If they were looking for cheap role players they should have traded back or simply traded the picks for known talent. It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in hindsight. When you have Steph, Klay, and Dray in your long-term plans you're not going to have any room to develop those guys.

I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it has for Kuminga to start talking about moving on.

I think they thought they could develop those young guys and win at the same time much like the Spurs did with Kawhi when their big 3 had gotten up there in age.

The Spurs really only had Kawhi as far as highly drafted projects that they were developing versus Golden State trying to develop three highly drafted guys. It's a big difference. It's easy to find minutes for a single prospect coming into the NBA with ready to play defense.

I liked Wiseman at the time, but he was never going to be a good fit in Kerr's system. If Golden State had traded out of the Wiseman and Moody picks, leaving them with only Kuminga to develop, they'd probably be in a better place. Or maybe they draft LaMelo and trade the other two picks. It's the same idea regardless; finding minutes to develop a single prospect on a contending team seems more likely to be successful.

Of course, they're coming off a Championship and a 2nd Round exit, a successful few years by almost any standard, so it's not entirely obvious what the best use of those picks would have been. Golden State has done a fantastic job finding proper fitting veteran role players for their system by simply signing the right free agents on the cheap.

[hippesthippo]

With talks of resigning draymond? Yes it's over lol. Their style of play won't work anymore. The nba has caught up since 2018 but they were lucky to have KD. And last year steph and the warriors won when draymond was honestly a slight hindrance in the finals.
Gsw needs more shooters on the floor and better defenders than Poole lol

Agreed it doesn't seem like they can play both Looney and Draymond at the same time. Both are limited when it comes to scoring. You are basically playing 3 on 5 on offense with them.

I disagree. You don't need 5 guys that can score in your starting lineup in order to win. The Steph/Dray pick and role is impossible to defend regardless of who is initiating it resulting in multiple 4v3 situations. Looney can still stretch the court vertically and provide extra possessions via offensive rebounds.

It's not like Payton II is any more of a threat on offense. He was simply a better matchup vs LA. What was really lacking was a third big off the bench capable of stretching the floor. Bjelica was a much better fit than JaMychal Green.

I do agree on Poole. Poole is awful defensively and Klay is obviously declining as well making it really difficult to play the two of them together. DDV is a much better fit in the lineup and significantly cheaper. It will be interesting to see what Golden State does with Poole and DDV over the off-season.

[JN61]

nothing lasts forever except LeBron lmao

LeBron have had multiple lucky breaks this post season but he will be out quick against Jokic. Well done vs injured teams though even if his team has carried him quite a bit till this recent game.

Them being a 7 seed was a lucky break for the West. Lakers destroyed the Grizzlies lack of shooting, did Adams or Clarke become a 3 pt sniper and/or AD stopper? lmao They had their DPOY healthy. For GSW unless you're talking about a time machine they didn't use I'm not sure what lucky break the Lakers got with them.

I know Lebron fans don't might not pay as much attention to other players in the game but you are aware Morant missed a game and played injured the rest of the serie? They also had injuries on the key pieces like Adams.

[Rafael122]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Warriors drafted Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They screwed themselves. Very few teams with Championship core's end up with 3 lottery picks with which to boost their roster. It was like watching the Pistons draft Darko all over again.

Sure, rookies contracts are cheap-ish depending on the slot, but you don't use lottery picks to draft cheap role players. Wiseman and Kuminga were obviously both projects that would need playing time to develop and Moody was drafted far too high and at a position where they didn't need help.

If they were looking for cheap role players they should have traded back or simply traded the picks for known talent. It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in hindsight. When you have Steph, Klay, and Dray in your long-term plans you're not going to have any room to develop those guys.

I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it has for Kuminga to start talking about moving on.

Been listening to Bill and Russillo a lot these last few weeks and apparently the Warriors have some type of thing for players that were highly recruited coming out of HS, which explains Kuminga, Baldwin, etc. I think Wiseman was picked because they didn't want to deal with the Lavar drama but I mean, you move Steph off ball and let Lamelo control the flow and you could have extended Steph's curry another year or two.

Moody over Murphy, Sengun who would have fit in like a glove in that style of offense. Kispert too as the sniper. Feels like everything else is being talked about, the punch, Draymond, Kuminga speaking up, but no one is challenging the Warriors organization for essentially whiffing on 3 lottery picks in 2 years.

[dWadeOwnzYou]

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[WargamesX]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Warriors drafted Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They screwed themselves. Very few teams with Championship core's end up with 3 lottery picks with which to boost their roster. It was like watching the Pistons draft Darko all over again.

Sure, rookies contracts are cheap-ish depending on the slot, but you don't use lottery picks to draft cheap role players. Wiseman and Kuminga were obviously both projects that would need playing time to develop and Moody was drafted far too high and at a position where they didn't need help.

If they were looking for cheap role players they should have traded back or simply traded the picks for known talent. It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in hindsight. When you have Steph, Klay, and Dray in your long-term plans you're not going to have any room to develop those guys.

I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it has for Kuminga to start talking about moving on.

Been listening to Bill and Russillo a lot these last few weeks and apparently the Warriors have some type of thing for players that were highly recruited coming out of HS, which explains Kuminga, Baldwin, etc. I think Wiseman was picked because they didn't want to deal with the Lavar drama but I mean, you move Steph off ball and let Lamelo control the flow and you could have extended Steph's curry another year or two.

Moody over Murphy, Sengun who would have fit in like a glove in that style of offense. Kispert too as the sniper. Feels like everything else is being talked about, the punch, Draymond, Kuminga speaking up, but no one is challenging the Warriors organization for essentially whiffing on 3 lottery picks in 2 years.

Lottery picks are hard, though I would love to hear the justification to focus on players highly recruited out of HS?

[hippesthippo]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Warriors drafted Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They screwed themselves. Very few teams with Championship core's end up with 3 lottery picks with which to boost their roster. It was like watching the Pistons draft Darko all over again.

Sure, rookies contracts are cheap-ish depending on the slot, but you don't use lottery picks to draft cheap role players. Wiseman and Kuminga were obviously both projects that would need playing time to develop and Moody was drafted far too high and at a position where they didn't need help.

If they were looking for cheap role players they should have traded back or simply traded the picks for known talent. It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in hindsight. When you have Steph, Klay, and Dray in your long-term plans you're not going to have any room to develop those guys.

I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it has for Kuminga to start talking about moving on.

Been listening to Bill and Russillo a lot these last few weeks and apparently the Warriors have some type of thing for players that were highly recruited coming out of HS, which explains Kuminga, Baldwin, etc. I think Wiseman was picked because they didn't want to deal with the Lavar drama but I mean, you move Steph off ball and let Lamelo control the flow and you could have extended Steph's curry another year or two.

Moody over Murphy, Sengun who would have fit in like a glove in that style of offense. Kispert too as the sniper. Feels like everything else is being talked about, the punch, Draymond, Kuminga speaking up, but no one is challenging the Warriors organization for essentially whiffing on 3 lottery picks in 2 years.

Makes sense. They drafted Harrison Barnes and Kevon Looney as well, both of whom were much more highly rated out of HS than after their time in college. Although, I honestly don't remember who was running things at that time. I didn't understand passing on Sengun at all.

[lambchop]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Warriors drafted Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They screwed themselves. Very few teams with Championship core's end up with 3 lottery picks with which to boost their roster. It was like watching the Pistons draft Darko all over again.

Sure, rookies contracts are cheap-ish depending on the slot, but you don't use lottery picks to draft cheap role players. Wiseman and Kuminga were obviously both projects that would need playing time to develop and Moody was drafted far too high and at a position where they didn't need help.

If they were looking for cheap role players they should have traded back or simply traded the picks for known talent. It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in hindsight. When you have Steph, Klay, and Dray in your long-term plans you're not going to have any room to develop those guys.

I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it has for Kuminga to start talking about moving on.

Been listening to Bill and Russillo a lot these last few weeks and apparently the Warriors have some type of thing for players that were highly recruited coming out of HS, which explains Kuminga, Baldwin, etc. I think Wiseman was picked because they didn't want to deal with the Lavar drama but I mean, you move Steph off ball and let Lamelo control the flow and you could have extended Steph's curry another year or two.

Moody over Murphy, Sengun who would have fit in like a glove in that style of offense. Kispert too as the sniper. Feels like everything else is being talked about, the punch, Draymond, Kuminga speaking up, but no one is challenging the Warriors organization for essentially whiffing on 3 lottery picks in 2 years.

Makes sense. They drafted Harrison Barnes and Kevon Looney as well, both of whom were much more highly rated out of HS than after their time in college. Although, I honestly don't remember who was running things at that time. I didn't understand passing on Sengun at all.

I think the focus on those guys is cause their floor is usually pretty decent. They tend to be decent NBA role players in the league. As for Sengun, the dubs don't seem to be high on Euro guys, especially ones that might still need developing. Sengun had nice stats, but he played in some weird leagues, like the fiba europe cup that features 3rd to 4th tier teams from places like romania and bulgaria. The Turkish has some excellent teams, however, they don't always use their full roster for the Turkish league and opt to keep players' legs fresh for the Euroleague.

I also agree with the previous poster who said the dubs were concerned about lavar ball. From a purely basketball standpoint Lamelo is much better than Wiseman or what ended up being Poole in that backup spot. I personally think it would have been difficult to keep Lamelo happy in limited minutes though.

[Lakerland247]

LeBron have had multiple lucky breaks this post season but he will be out quick against Jokic. Well done vs injured teams though even if his team has carried him quite a bit till this recent game.

The Nuggets are only a 53 win team. They're not imposing. They have no experience. They don't know how to win.

LeBron James is 10-1 in the Conference Finals and has not lost a Conference Finals series in 14 years.

The Lakers also have the best defense.

LAL is playing like a 60+ win team right now. It doesn't matter if you have home court advantage against them.

I think the 2023 Lakers-Nuggets Western Conference Finals matchup is going to look a little bit like the 2020 Lakers-Nuggets Western Conference Finals matchup. But instead of 4-1 Lakers I think perhaps 4-2 Lakers, the extra win due to the Nuggets having HCA in this series.

Yeah, I think the Nuggets are going to give the Lakers more than they can handle. Jokic playing away from the paint is going to be a problem and one of Schroeder or Russell is going to have to guard Murray. That's not going to end well.

Vando always guards the opposing teams best perimeter player. Murray will have a heavy dose of 6'8'' Vando shadowing him.

[Rafael122]

I'm still trying to figure out why the Warriors drafted Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. They screwed themselves. Very few teams with Championship core's end up with 3 lottery picks with which to boost their roster. It was like watching the Pistons draft Darko all over again.

Sure, rookies contracts are cheap-ish depending on the slot, but you don't use lottery picks to draft cheap role players. Wiseman and Kuminga were obviously both projects that would need playing time to develop and Moody was drafted far too high and at a position where they didn't need help.

If they were looking for cheap role players they should have traded back or simply traded the picks for known talent. It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make any sense in hindsight. When you have Steph, Klay, and Dray in your long-term plans you're not going to have any room to develop those guys.

I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it has for Kuminga to start talking about moving on.

Been listening to Bill and Russillo a lot these last few weeks and apparently the Warriors have some type of thing for players that were highly recruited coming out of HS, which explains Kuminga, Baldwin, etc. I think Wiseman was picked because they didn't want to deal with the Lavar drama but I mean, you move Steph off ball and let Lamelo control the flow and you could have extended Steph's curry another year or two.

Moody over Murphy, Sengun who would have fit in like a glove in that style of offense. Kispert too as the sniper. Feels like everything else is being talked about, the punch, Draymond, Kuminga speaking up, but no one is challenging the Warriors organization for essentially whiffing on 3 lottery picks in 2 years.

Lottery picks are hard, though I would love to hear the justification to focus on players highly recruited out of HS?

Not sure if it's a focus necessarily, but I mean, Baldwin/Kuminga/Wiseman/Mannion/Looney/Barnes were all 5 star recruits out of HS and were drafted by the Warriors. I reckon they think these guys have a good enough foundation that they can build on. Who knows.