The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread

[mjkvol]

Iam a bit of an odd duck. I never had a home team since I was raised overseas. I watched basketball and gravitated to players I liked. The player I really followed from day one was Yao Ming. I yearned for him to win a title but he was stopped short by the foot injuries. Then Harden came to Houston and I watched him fall short against the warriors every year. I believe he’s a much better player than people give him credit for. I don’t take falling short as failure unless you stop trying. I don’t see that in him. When the team is complete and matures with leadership I think there will be a championship win in the end. I don’t take this personally and let hate develop against others. There are things out of our control, but faith is something I truly believe in. That is something I do have and I can lean on that during the down times.

Yours is a different situation, similar to a U.S. resident following the European soccer league and choosing a team. You're naturally going to gravitate to players you like and root for those teams.

[Jay555]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/13irprq/rasheed_wallace_get_glenn_out_of_there_he_doesnt/

Fire this dude into the sun. There is a reason he's blown the most 3-1/3-2 lead. He got lucky with that one chip.

[Rasheed Wallace] Get Glenn out of there. He doesn't make adjustments. That's just from being in the locker room with him. That seems to be always his biggest knock. You gotta be more than a locker room manager. He depends more on the players to make those adjustments.

[Arsenal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/13irprq/rasheed_wallace_get_glenn_out_of_there_he_doesnt/

Fire this dude into the sun. There is a reason he's blown the most 3-1/3-2 lead. He got lucky with that one chip.

[Rasheed Wallace] Get Glenn out of there. He doesn't make adjustments. That's just from being in the locker room with him. That seems to be always his biggest knock. You gotta be more than a locker room manager. He depends more on the players to make those adjustments.

Rasheed confirms what we all suspected. Other coach adjusts and Glenn has zero clue what to do. Get rid of him asap.

[brannigan73]

I feel like if he isnt gone by Wednesday, Glenn don't call me Doc, will be here for another year of nonsense.

[Jhawk03]

We're in a holding pattern with Doc, for two reasons, one being the two years he still has left, the other being the potential for significant changes this offseason.

That's why I emphasized that this change that needs to happen starts at the top. Morey will either get busy working on this team (He will be the one to decide Doc's fate for the most part) or he'll move on from this quagmire.

[mjkvol]

What it comes down to is whether the Sixers plan on being contenders next season. If so, and they retain Harden and Morey makes some changes in the roster to fill glaring needs (backup PG, backup big, legit 3&D wing), then Glenn must be replaced. If they let Harden walk then IMO it matters little, because they aren't going to bring back enough to make them legitimate title contenders anyway, so might as well not pay another fired coach. Let him get to the playoffs and maybe win a round - Harris makes his money and then look at 2025.

[mjkvol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/13irprq/rasheed_wallace_get_glenn_out_of_there_he_doesnt/

Fire this dude into the sun. There is a reason he's blown the most 3-1/3-2 lead. He got lucky with that one chip.

[Rasheed Wallace] Get Glenn out of there. He doesn't make adjustments. That's just from being in the locker room with him. That seems to be always his biggest knock. You gotta be more than a locker room manager. He depends more on the players to make those adjustments.

It's so plainly obvious for anyone to see (except perhaps 76iology), and at this point comes down to whether the Sixers want to pay him to not coach. Bringing him back is an admission of defeat and a slap in the face to the fan base.

[Zumramania]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/13irprq/rasheed_wallace_get_glenn_out_of_there_he_doesnt/

Fire this dude into the sun. There is a reason he's blown the most 3-1/3-2 lead. He got lucky with that one chip.

[Rasheed Wallace] Get Glenn out of there. He doesn't make adjustments. That's just from being in the locker room with him. That seems to be always his biggest knock. You gotta be more than a locker room manager. He depends more on the players to make those adjustments.

Doesn't make adjustments...isn't making adjustments the definition of being a coach? And what do his praised assistant coaches do then? Don't they see these things? It is so hard to understand for me, but obviously we had no response when the Celtics played Williams and Horford together, we never tried playing Reed and Embiid together etc.

[Tony Franciosa]

I almost wonder if they are holding out hope one of the other vacancies will want him.

[Mr Chim]

JH just bought a different sports franchise for 6 billion but won’t eat 16mm to fire a coach after the biggest **** in 20 years. Make it make sense.

[Arsenal]

I fail to see any objective evidence this guy is actually better than Brett Brown as a coach. Just coasting off the ISO-skills of his top guys, then when the other team adjusts to take it away he's got nothing...

Read on Twitter

[Arsenal]

What it comes down to is whether the Sixers plan on being contenders next season. If so, and they retain Harden and Morey makes some changes in the roster to fill glaring needs (backup PG, backup big, legit 3&D wing), then Glenn must be replaced. If they let Harden walk then IMO it matters little, because they aren't going to bring back enough to make them legitimate title contenders anyway, so might as well not pay another fired coach. Let him get to the playoffs and maybe win a round - Harris makes his money and then look at 2025.

Agree 100%. If they bring back Harden or trade him for win-now pieces, then Glenn has to go. If they let Harden go and punt on the season with an eye towards 2024 free agency, then might as well bring him back for 1 more year as a lame duck.

But even then it would be better to get a tactician like Nurse now if possible. Let him implement a system around Maxey as the lead guard, then assess our options next summer with Embiid + Maxey + a ton of cap room. If we're lucky, Maxey makes a big jump ala Brunson this year.

[rocketsfan100]

He just got fired via Woj

[LeTimmAy]

Finally.

[Kova]

I can't put it all on Doc. I think he definitely made the team better and brought us closer to contention than we were under Brett Brown.
But obviously his sin was not closing out Celtics with a 3-2 lead. Which is basically both his success and failure. I doubt anyone expected us to be in a position where we lead 3-2 against Celtics. He did a great job getting us there. But, he was killed by his own gun. When we got to 3-2, the expectation was to close them and we didn't. He was also unfortunate not to have a healthy Embiid in playoffs for all 3 seasons (same as Brett). And he also helped Embiid become an MVP.
Overall, he had some great coaching games, but when you summarize his 3 years as a head coach, you expect to be in ECF at least once. So looking at the bigger picture, you could say that he failed.

The decision was definitely much easier for FO once the footprint was made with Bucks and Suns.

[Kova]

Now, there are 2 immediate questions.

1) Does that mean we opted to keep Harden and roll with him and Embiid for the next 2-3 years? Or are we completely changing the direction and revamping the roster with a new coach?
2) What kind of a coaching profile are we looking for? Who can get us to the next level?

[FlyingArrow]

I can't put it all on Doc. I think he definitely made the team better and brought us closer to contention than we were under Brett Brown.
But obviously his sin was not closing out Celtics with a 3-2 lead. Which is basically both his success and failure. I doubt anyone expected us to be in a position where we lead 3-2 against Celtics. He did a great job getting us there. But, he was killed by his own gun. When we got to 3-2, the expectation was to close them and we didn't. He was also unfortunate not to have a healthy Embiid in playoffs for all 3 seasons (same as Brett). And he also helped Embiid become an MVP.
Overall, he had some great coaching games, but when you summarize his 3 years as a head coach, you expect to be in ECF at least once. So looking at the bigger picture, you could say that he failed.

Not beating the Celtics hurt, but it's nothing like the Atlanta series. For the Atlanta series, we were expected to win. In game 4, we had an 18pt lead. Lost it. In game 5, we had a 26pt lead. Lost it.

[FlyingArrow]

Now, there are 2 immediate questions.

1) Does that mean we opted to keep Harden and roll with him and Embiid for the next 2-3 years? Or are we completely changing the direction and revamping the roster with a new coach?
2) What kind of a coaching profile are we looking for? Who can get us to the next level?

I'd like to see Harden return, depending on the price. Who else would we have to provide 10apg and the occasional 40pt game? A super-long, super-expensive contract could be really, really painful, though.

[Kova]

I can't put it all on Doc. I think he definitely made the team better and brought us closer to contention than we were under Brett Brown.
But obviously his sin was not closing out Celtics with a 3-2 lead. Which is basically both his success and failure. I doubt anyone expected us to be in a position where we lead 3-2 against Celtics. He did a great job getting us there. But, he was killed by his own gun. When we got to 3-2, the expectation was to close them and we didn't. He was also unfortunate not to have a healthy Embiid in playoffs for all 3 seasons (same as Brett). And he also helped Embiid become an MVP.
Overall, he had some great coaching games, but when you summarize his 3 years as a head coach, you expect to be in ECF at least once. So looking at the bigger picture, you could say that he failed.

Not beating the Celtics hurt, but it's nothing like the Atlanta series. For the Atlanta series, we were expected to win. In game 4, we had an 18pt lead. Lost it. In game 5, we had a 26pt lead. Lost it.

That's true.

[Arsenal]

I can't put it all on Doc. I think he definitely made the team better and brought us closer to contention than we were under Brett Brown.
But obviously his sin was not closing out Celtics with a 3-2 lead. Which is basically both his success and failure. I doubt anyone expected us to be in a position where we lead 3-2 against Celtics. He did a great job getting us there. But, he was killed by his own gun. When we got to 3-2, the expectation was to close them and we didn't. He was also unfortunate not to have a healthy Embiid in playoffs for all 3 seasons (same as Brett). And he also helped Embiid become an MVP.
Overall, he had some great coaching games, but when you summarize his 3 years as a head coach, you expect to be in ECF at least once. So looking at the bigger picture, you could say that he failed.

Not beating the Celtics hurt, but it's nothing like the Atlanta series. For the Atlanta series, we were expected to win. In game 4, we had an 18pt lead. Lost it. In game 5, we had a 26pt lead. Lost it.

Exactly. He should have been fired after that series. One of the most inexcusable chokes of all-time. The only reason he wasn't is because the cheap Fing ownership didn't want to eat 4 years of his remaining contract.

When listing the blunders of the Hinkie - Morey interregnum headed by the (lack of) "brain trust," the hiring of Glenn Rivers with a 5 year / $40M contract was a huge and underrated one.