Mistake avoided last summer

[He Filled it Up]

Both the Bagley and Wisemen deals are bad. Bagley is pretty much inarguable in my opinion, and I think Wiseman has an opportunity cost. Duren is better, cheaper, younger, and overall more important to our future, and all of the young guys desperately need to play with more spacing, playmaking, and defense. Wiseman offers none of those things, and I just don't really see the practical upside.

If he's as bad as he has shown in GSW then it's wasted development time, and even if he's marginally better he's due for an extension next year. Like where does that leave Detroit? Best case scenario IMO is that he can be flipped next season to some team that wants his RFA rights, but the odds of that being worth anything of consequence seem very low to me. If it was just about not paying Bey, then why was he gifted the starting job?

[theBigLip]

Both the Bagley and Wisemen deals are bad. Bagley is pretty much inarguable in my opinion, and I think Wiseman has an opportunity cost. Duren is better, cheaper, younger, and overall more important to our future, and all of the young guys desperately need to play with more spacing, playmaking, and defense. Wiseman offers none of those things, and I just don't really see the practical upside.

If he's as bad as he has shown in GSW then it's wasted development time, and even if he's marginally better he's due for an extension next year. Like where does that leave Detroit? Best case scenario IMO is that he can be flipped next season to some team that wants his RFA rights, but the odds of that being worth anything of consequence seem very low to me. If it was just about not paying Bey, then why was he gifted the starting job?

Wiseman has opportunity cost? Sure. But what are rebuilding teams supposed to do? Take a shot at young guys w potential. The patience on this board is nonexistent. How many 21 year old or younger players make an AllStar team? How many are even starters on good teams? It takes time and Wiseman, via unfortunate circumstances, hasn’t got a lot of playing time. I think this was a solid move by Weaver and we will all see in another year or two if it was successful.

[theBigLip]

And having both Wiseman and Duren is not a bad thing - no one plays 48 minutes.

[He Filled it Up]

I guess we'll see. It probably just comes down to my lack of belief in Wiseman, I agree that rebuilding teams need to be taking shots but log-jamming prospects can hinder development and it's not a given that the right guy(s) will get minutes.

[He Filled it Up]

And having both Wiseman and Duren is not a bad thing - no one plays 48 minutes.

I think the bigger issue IMO is that it's Wiseman and Duren and Bagley and Stewart, and those impact not just each other but also Ivey and Cade.

[theBigLip]

And having both Wiseman and Duren is not a bad thing - no one plays 48 minutes.

I think the bigger issue IMO is that it's Wiseman and Duren and Bagley and Stewart, and those impact not just each other but also Ivey and Cade.

Agree on that last point but Bagley made sense until we got Wiseman. So I assume he is on the way out.

Stewart will have to be able to play the four to survive. He is a backup long term anyway. So once we get a legit starting four, Stewart is backup PF and 3rd string center.

[Manocad]

And having both Wiseman and Duren is not a bad thing - no one plays 48 minutes.

I think the bigger issue IMO is that it's Wiseman and Duren and Bagley and Stewart, and those impact not just each other but also Ivey and Cade.

Agree on that last point but Bagley made sense until we got Wiseman. So I assume he is on the way out.

Stewart will have to be able to play the four to survive. He is a backup long term anyway. So once we get a legit starting four, Stewart is backup PF and 3rd string center.

Given what the Pistons expect to have with Cade, Ivey, Bojan (assuming he's still around) and Duren, I see no reason why Stew can't be a capable 4 if he can hit the 3. That's it. Hit the 3, defend well, get the boards, scrap for whatever he can get inside.

[Pharaoh]

Exactly.

Regardless of the result today we have:

Duren, Stewart, Bojan, Ivey, Cade

Wiseman, Bagley, Livers, Hayes and maybe Burks.

Top 5 pick and 20 mil in cap space needs to get us shooting, defense and high IQ players.

IF we can add 3 dudes like that we're pretty deep and should hire a coach that will pick up the pace. Use those young legs to our advantage more

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[440BB]

It turns out Ayton extending with the Suns did more than saving the Pistons from a nightmare contract. Ayton's play most certainly helped the Suns decide to fire Williams.

In a year's time Phoenix saved the Pistons from a second coming of Drummond and provided us with a new coach. A win-win.