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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#61 » by Jay555 » Tue May 16, 2023 10:34 pm

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Morey is not improve on the margins guy. Morey is swing for the fences guy.


Only when he can. Otherwise he is a improve on the margins guy.

I'm not convinced he'd sell off Maxey for Beal or LaVine considering Maxey's improvement trajectory.


Maxey is up for sale starting now, Harden is coming back. Harden and Maxey do not work as a pair.


Why not? Maxey works pretty well with Harden.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#62 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue May 16, 2023 10:38 pm

rocketsfan100 wrote:People crucifying harden are justified but even by docs admission we forced harden to limit his scoring and offensive ability to feature Joel more. Something to keep in. Mind


Maybe, but I still feel like that's a bit of a deflection on the obvious athletic decline that Harden is on. I'm not saying he's fallen off of a cliff, but we don't have James Harden from five years ago and it's not just because he was forced to play a certain brand of basketball. He's fell off a bit. I know you're a hardcore Harden fan, but I too along with others on this forum have been watching him for a long time. In fact, I've been following him since he was a freshman at ASU. He's had a great career, but if 2018 James Harden is still there, then we would be a shoe in for the Finals. With that being said, I'm fine if he comes back. He's been terrific for us. I've had a couple days to calm down.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#63 » by Murray_17 » Tue May 16, 2023 10:43 pm

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Maxey is up for sale starting now, Harden is coming back. Harden and Maxey do not work as a pair.



His contract doesn't let you trade him unless you do it with Tobias, that creates 2 gaps on the roster, not one.

Who do you think we can get? Lavine? Beal? Maxey is already shooting better than Beal.

If Maxey doesn't work with Harden how would Lavine or Beal?
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#64 » by rocketsfan100 » Tue May 16, 2023 10:46 pm

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rocketsfan100 wrote:People crucifying harden are justified but even by docs admission we forced harden to limit his scoring and offensive ability to feature Joel more. Something to keep in. Mind


Maybe, but I still feel like that's a bit of a deflection on the obvious athletic decline that Harden is on. I'm not saying he's fallen off of a cliff, but we don't have James Harden from five years ago and it's not just because he was forced to play a certain brand of basketball. He's fell off a bit. I know you're a hardcore Harden fan, but I too along with others on this forum have been watching him for a long time. In fact, I've been following him since he was a freshman at ASU. He's had a great career, but if 2018 James Harden is still there, then we would be a shoe in for the Finals. With that being said, I'm fine if he comes back. He's been terrific for us. I've had a couple days to calm down.

Obviously he isn’t the same but he also better scorer then what he was featured under Doc. Dantoni will feature maxey and Harden more. Docs offense was only Embiid centeric.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#65 » by Jay555 » Tue May 16, 2023 10:47 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:People crucifying harden are justified but even by docs admission we forced harden to limit his scoring and offensive ability to feature Joel more. Something to keep in. Mind


Maybe, but I still feel like that's a bit of a deflection on the obvious athletic decline that Harden is on. I'm not saying he's fallen off of a cliff, but we don't have James Harden from five years ago and it's not just because he was forced to play a certain brand of basketball. He's fell off a bit. I know you're a hardcore Harden fan, but I too along with others on this forum have been watching him for a long time. In fact, I've been following him since he was a freshman at ASU. He's had a great career, but if 2018 James Harden is still there, then we would be a shoe in for the Finals. With that being said, I'm fine if he comes back. He's been terrific for us. I've had a couple days to calm down.


Lol. You ain't getting the 2018 James Harden with just Ben Simmons and fillers. 2018 James Harden would be dropping 35+10.

Dude ages for sure but can still give you 20+ 10 for 2-3 years and 1-2 great games in a playoff series. Assuming Embiid gives you 1-2 great games in that series. Then we'd look golden for a deep playoff run.

For us to get there, Morey needs to do some work from today on. Get a quality 3 & D player who is acutally reliable shooter or get an Alpha who can outshine Embiid and Harden in big moments.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#66 » by rocketsfan100 » Tue May 16, 2023 10:55 pm

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rocketsfan100 wrote:People crucifying harden are justified but even by docs admission we forced harden to limit his scoring and offensive ability to feature Joel more. Something to keep in. Mind


Maybe, but I still feel like that's a bit of a deflection on the obvious athletic decline that Harden is on. I'm not saying he's fallen off of a cliff, but we don't have James Harden from five years ago and it's not just because he was forced to play a certain brand of basketball. He's fell off a bit. I know you're a hardcore Harden fan, but I too along with others on this forum have been watching him for a long time. In fact, I've been following him since he was a freshman at ASU. He's had a great career, but if 2018 James Harden is still there, then we would be a shoe in for the Finals. With that being said, I'm fine if he comes back. He's been terrific for us. I've had a couple days to calm down.


Lol. You ain't getting the 2018 James Harden with just Ben Simmons and fillers. 2018 James Harden would be dropping 35+10.

Dude ages for sure but can still give you 20+ 10 for 2-3 years and 1-2 great games in a playoff series. Assuming Embiid gives you 1-2 great games in that series. Then we'd look golden for a deep playoff run.

For us to get there, Morey needs to do some work from today on. Get a quality 3 & D player who is acutally reliable shooter or get an Alpha who can outshine Embiid and Harden in big moments.

I think this team is probaly a quality PF who can score and defend away from the title. Dare I say someone like Siakam?
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#67 » by Jay555 » Tue May 16, 2023 11:02 pm

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Maybe, but I still feel like that's a bit of a deflection on the obvious athletic decline that Harden is on. I'm not saying he's fallen off of a cliff, but we don't have James Harden from five years ago and it's not just because he was forced to play a certain brand of basketball. He's fell off a bit. I know you're a hardcore Harden fan, but I too along with others on this forum have been watching him for a long time. In fact, I've been following him since he was a freshman at ASU. He's had a great career, but if 2018 James Harden is still there, then we would be a shoe in for the Finals. With that being said, I'm fine if he comes back. He's been terrific for us. I've had a couple days to calm down.


Lol. You ain't getting the 2018 James Harden with just Ben Simmons and fillers. 2018 James Harden would be dropping 35+10.

Dude ages for sure but can still give you 20+ 10 for 2-3 years and 1-2 great games in a playoff series. Assuming Embiid gives you 1-2 great games in that series. Then we'd look golden for a deep playoff run.

For us to get there, Morey needs to do some work from today on. Get a quality 3 & D player who is acutally reliable shooter or get an Alpha who can outshine Embiid and Harden in big moments.

I think this team is probaly a quality PF who can score and defend away from the title. Dare I say someone like Siakam?


If we can keep Maxey lol then yes. That's a pipe dream tho.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#68 » by rocketsfan100 » Tue May 16, 2023 11:05 pm

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rocketsfan100 wrote:
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Lol. You ain't getting the 2018 James Harden with just Ben Simmons and fillers. 2018 James Harden would be dropping 35+10.

Dude ages for sure but can still give you 20+ 10 for 2-3 years and 1-2 great games in a playoff series. Assuming Embiid gives you 1-2 great games in that series. Then we'd look golden for a deep playoff run.

For us to get there, Morey needs to do some work from today on. Get a quality 3 & D player who is acutally reliable shooter or get an Alpha who can outshine Embiid and Harden in big moments.

I think this team is probaly a quality PF who can score and defend away from the title. Dare I say someone like Siakam?


If we can keep Maxey lol then yes. That's a pipe dream tho.

Why is it a pippe dream? I see Dantoni making maxey into a freaking all star. His skill set is perfect for his uptempo offense.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#69 » by eyeatoma » Tue May 16, 2023 11:15 pm

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Zumramania wrote:Sam Cassell or Nick Nurse please. D'Antoni is old and has never been to the NBA Finals.


I like Cassell, but worry that he spent too long with Glenn and anything might have rubbed off on him. I think we need a completely fresh approach, and I don't believe we'll get that with Sam, although I could very well be wrong.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#70 » by blargh » Wed May 17, 2023 12:07 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:
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Maybe, but I still feel like that's a bit of a deflection on the obvious athletic decline that Harden is on. I'm not saying he's fallen off of a cliff, but we don't have James Harden from five years ago and it's not just because he was forced to play a certain brand of basketball. He's fell off a bit. I know you're a hardcore Harden fan, but I too along with others on this forum have been watching him for a long time. In fact, I've been following him since he was a freshman at ASU. He's had a great career, but if 2018 James Harden is still there, then we would be a shoe in for the Finals. With that being said, I'm fine if he comes back. He's been terrific for us. I've had a couple days to calm down.


Lol. You ain't getting the 2018 James Harden with just Ben Simmons and fillers. 2018 James Harden would be dropping 35+10.

Dude ages for sure but can still give you 20+ 10 for 2-3 years and 1-2 great games in a playoff series. Assuming Embiid gives you 1-2 great games in that series. Then we'd look golden for a deep playoff run.

For us to get there, Morey needs to do some work from today on. Get a quality 3 & D player who is acutally reliable shooter or get an Alpha who can outshine Embiid and Harden in big moments.

I think this team is probaly a quality PF who can score and defend away from the title. Dare I say someone like Siakam?


Siakam isn’t even a better scorer than Tobias, and he’s not much better of a defender. The value that Siakam gives you over Tobias would require him to be ball dominant, which he wouldn’t be here.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#71 » by Jailblazers7 » Wed May 17, 2023 12:17 am

Neubeck made a good point on his podcast that Ty Lue was a Doc assistant and is a totally different & better head coach. Not entirely fair to write off Sam for being a Doc assistant.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#72 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed May 17, 2023 12:21 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:Neubeck made a good point on his podcast that Ty Lue was a Doc assistant and is a totally different & better head coach. Not entirely fair to write off Sam for being a Doc assistant.

Plus Sam was calling Docs nonsense out according kyle
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#73 » by Murray_17 » Wed May 17, 2023 12:42 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:Neubeck made a good point on his podcast that Ty Lue was a Doc assistant and is a totally different & better head coach. Not entirely fair to write off Sam for being a Doc assistant.



I heard a story about Lue being assigned to do video research on an opposing team by Doc after he joined the assistant team and scout tactis against them, only as a troll because he was a rookie assistant.

Doc never used the research.

The most doc thing ever.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#74 » by Skates » Wed May 17, 2023 1:06 am

The Embiid holding back Harden thing is hilarious. Harden can score at a high level once a week if lucky and usually with Embiid drawing away defenders. Budenholzer is the best bet for building around a big in Embiid, not playing him too many minutes and getting the best out of reclamation projects, which the Sixers will need to add depth.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#75 » by mjkvol » Wed May 17, 2023 1:13 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:Neubeck made a good point on his podcast that Ty Lue was a Doc assistant and is a totally different & better head coach. Not entirely fair to write off Sam for being a Doc assistant.


I'm not writing him off at all, just suggesting that it's a concern and that we really don't have any idea of what Sam's approach as a coach would be. I like him a lot, but it might be better with a win-now group to go with more of a veteran.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#76 » by Jay555 » Wed May 17, 2023 1:16 am

Skates wrote:The Embiid holding back Harden thing is hilarious. Harden can score at a high level once a week if lucky and usually with Embiid drawing away defenders. Budenholzer is the best bet for building around a big in Embiid, not playing him too many minutes and getting the best out of reclamation projects, which the Sixers will need to add depth.


If you watched the two games Harden dropped 40+ vs Celtics, It's nothing to do with Embiid drawing away defenders, it's about Harden getting enough touches and confidence himself. Harden on a lottery team with enough touches can still give you 25 + 10.
I think Maxey benefits a lot with the attention Embiid/Harden draw. It would be interesting to see what he can do if he's the alpha..
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#77 » by eyeatoma » Wed May 17, 2023 1:26 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:Neubeck made a good point on his podcast that Ty Lue was a Doc assistant and is a totally different & better head coach. Not entirely fair to write off Sam for being a Doc assistant.

Plus Sam was calling Docs nonsense out according kyle


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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#78 » by NYSixersFan » Wed May 17, 2023 1:26 am

I'd be shocked if it's anyone but MDA. This will be a sham "coaching search".

I'd be interested in Cassell.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#79 » by GoSixersBro » Wed May 17, 2023 1:27 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:Eliot shore and Kyle Nuebeck both agree it’s going to be Dantoni on the clap your hands podcast. Another interesting thing they mentioned is Dantoni was Embiid a choice over Doc as the candidate before they went with Doc


Elliot Shore, the Eagles writer guy who has basically clowned himself into becoming a meme in Philadelphia? I realize you are probably not from around here but I'm not taking him as a source on anything Sixers related.
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Re: Doc Rivers has been fired 

Post#80 » by rocketsfan100 » Wed May 17, 2023 1:41 am

eyeatoma wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:Neubeck made a good point on his podcast that Ty Lue was a Doc assistant and is a totally different & better head coach. Not entirely fair to write off Sam for being a Doc assistant.

Plus Sam was calling Docs nonsense out according kyle


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