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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#41 » by NinjaBro » Wed May 17, 2023 3:05 am

DusterBuster wrote:
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Ok, then Toronto adds 13

Sharpe, Nurkic, Simons, 3 for OG, Siakam, Boucher, 13.
Sharpe is not worth OG + 13, stop it!


Happy to keep Sharpe. OG is overrated as hell.
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#42 » by DaVoiceMaster » Wed May 17, 2023 3:20 am

Sharpe isnt going anywhere unless a major talent is involved and Siakam/OG is not a major talent. Good talent, but not major talent.
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#43 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Wed May 17, 2023 3:34 am

I wouldn't trade Sharpe straight up for Scoot or Miller. Is that crazy? Maybe, but that's the value other teams would have to offer for us to move him IMO. Will they? Probably not, but that is entirely fine by me lol.
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#44 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 17, 2023 3:38 am

I’m just at the point that I want a current All Star player. Not a All Star “caliber”, but a lock All Star player for the pick and players.
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#45 » by DusterBuster » Wed May 17, 2023 3:40 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:I wouldn't trade Sharpe straight up for Scoot or Miller. Is that crazy? Maybe, but that's the value other teams would have to offer for us to move him IMO. Will they? Probably not, but that is entirely fine by me lol.


I’m big on proven players over picks and potential. I’m confident Sharpe is going to be a great pro, Scoot or Miller should be but who knows.
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#46 » by monopoman » Wed May 17, 2023 3:50 am

Sharpe might be to the Blazers the most valuable guy on the roster right now, I would be less surprised to see Dame traded. Now some fans of other teams might find that we overvalue Sharpe, but again the potential he showed this season was ridiculous. Peak Sharpe could easily be a top 10 guy in the league without question, now if he ever hits that true potential is one thing but that means the Blazers want to keep him.
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#47 » by PDXKnight » Wed May 17, 2023 3:55 am

monopoman wrote:Sharpe might be to the Blazers the most valuable guy on the roster right now, I would be less surprised to see Dame traded. Now some fans of other teams might find that we overvalue Sharpe, but again the potential he showed this season was ridiculous. Peak Sharpe could easily be a top 10 guy in the league without question, now if he ever hits that true potential is one thing but that means the Blazers want to keep him.


To us sharpe is but I think in trade discussions number 3 will prove more valuable
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Post#48 » by m0ng0 » Wed May 17, 2023 3:57 am

^^^ and he is not even 20 yet ^^^
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Post#49 » by soobias » Wed May 17, 2023 3:59 am

monopoman wrote:Sharpe might be to the Blazers the most valuable guy on the roster right now, I would be less surprised to see Dame traded. Now some fans of other teams might find that we overvalue Sharpe, but again the potential he showed this season was ridiculous. Peak Sharpe could easily be a top 10 guy in the league without question, now if he ever hits that true potential is one thing but that means the Blazers want to keep him.





this is why im ok with a rebuild. plus i would like to give billups or any other coach a chance with their own players
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#50 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Wed May 17, 2023 5:51 am

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monopoman wrote:Sharpe might be to the Blazers the most valuable guy on the roster right now, I would be less surprised to see Dame traded. Now some fans of other teams might find that we overvalue Sharpe, but again the potential he showed this season was ridiculous. Peak Sharpe could easily be a top 10 guy in the league without question, now if he ever hits that true potential is one thing but that means the Blazers want to keep him.


To us sharpe is but I think in trade discussions number 3 will prove more valuable


You are probably right, people love the allure of a mystery box, although really the team picking will get the player Charlotte passed over. I think if Charlotte really picks Miller at 2 that we would have many teams trying to get at Scoot, but I also kind of expect Charlotte to overthink it so I don't really know what they will do. If Miller is there at 3 though I hope we keep it, would solve a ton of problems for us.

I know its not the direction most people expect us to go, but if Charlotte is on the fence between Scoot vs Miller I wonder what we could give them to nudge them toward Scoot.
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Post#51 » by Hogified05 » Wed May 17, 2023 7:03 am

Sinobas wrote:You can't really draft Scoot and keep Dame. Most mocks have Miller going #2, and even if Miller fell to us,he's not the type of player that would make us contenders right away. I think we trade it for a vet or go all in on a rebuild.


Man. If yall landed #1 after passing Orlando in odds at the end of the year I might have booked a flight to Portland and nose dived off one of your bridges.

I'm not sure if the Hornets keep Lamelo if they draft Scoot. However I am almost fairly certain there is going be action with you guys. I don't envision any scenario where you guys just make a simple pick. Miller isn't moving the needle for Dame next year. Does Scoot even start with Simons and Dame there? If Scoot is the pick I gotta imagine Simons is on the way out or you guys are going embrace the rebuild and part with Dame. Either that or you ride with Dame and try and find someone that will help next year for the 3rd pick ala Siakiam. I just envision no scenario it's straight forward for you guys at 3, maybe I am wrong.

However if you do embrace that rebuild...I gotta think Orlando would be a team you should be calling on. We got a ton of picks (two lottos this year, our first next year and Denver's first in 2025). We got a ton of young talent that I think would be made available (Suggs, Bol, Cole, Isaac, Okeke). I think the organization is sold on Fultz unless he bags us something we cant say no to.

I swear it feels like if yall move on from Dame he is going end up in Miami. Feels like a Miami move. I really think Herro would be a great fit for us. Something like Dame to Miami Herro to Orlando and then we could ship you a ton of assets for your rebuild.

But I dunno we will see what happens. I will be super interested to see what yall do with 3.
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#52 » by monopoman » Wed May 17, 2023 7:59 am

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Sinobas wrote:You can't really draft Scoot and keep Dame. Most mocks have Miller going #2, and even if Miller fell to us,he's not the type of player that would make us contenders right away. I think we trade it for a vet or go all in on a rebuild.


Man. If yall landed #1 after passing Orlando in odds at the end of the year I might have booked a flight to Portland and nose dived off one of your bridges.

I'm not sure if the Hornets keep Lamelo if they draft Scoot. However I am almost fairly certain there is going be action with you guys. I don't envision any scenario where you guys just make a simple pick. Miller isn't moving the needle for Dame next year. Does Scoot even start with Simons and Dame there? If Scoot is the pick I gotta imagine Simons is on the way out or you guys are going embrace the rebuild and part with Dame. Either that or you ride with Dame and try and find someone that will help next year for the 3rd pick ala Siakiam. I just envision no scenario it's straight forward for you guys at 3, maybe I am wrong.

However if you do embrace that rebuild...I gotta think Orlando would be a team you should be calling on. We got a ton of picks (two lottos this year, our first next year and Denver's first in 2025). We got a ton of young talent that I think would be made available (Suggs, Bol, Cole, Isaac, Okeke). I think the organization is sold on Fultz unless he bags us something we cant say no to.

I swear it feels like if yall move on from Dame he is going end up in Miami. Feels like a Miami move. I really think Herro would be a great fit for us. Something like Dame to Miami Herro to Orlando and then we could ship you a ton of assets for your rebuild.

But I dunno we will see what happens. I will be super interested to see what yall do with 3.


If we do go young I have a feeling we would try to find a team that would want to compete with Dame and potentially Nurkic in the short term. I don't think Orlando really wants Dame and if they do I doubt Dame would be thrilled about whatever team that would leave once they traded young pieces there.

I also find three team deals to rarely work out, they do happen but typically it's a bit tougher. I'm sure Portland could find at least a few teams field serious offers if they do trade Dame.

This team is already filled with a lot of young guys of varying levels of being good if you took Dame and Nurk off the team the Blazers would have one of the youngest teams in the NBA.
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#53 » by Sinobas » Wed May 17, 2023 9:17 am

Our team has missed the play in the past two years, which makes it hard to imagine what puts us in contention, aside from a bonafide super-star like Kawhi Leonard or Giannis. Siakim/OG, Jaylen Brown, Bridges, get us to the playoffs, but contenders, very unlikely.

With Dame's age, and wanting a vet roster, it might be better to trade him and commit to a rebuild.
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Post#54 » by red_power » Wed May 17, 2023 10:08 am

I just want to say that no matter how closely the organization and Dame are tied, pairing Scoot and Shaedon looks like a great foundation to build a strong team for the next 5 to 10 years.
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Post#55 » by red_power » Wed May 17, 2023 10:09 am

Anyway, Cronin should already be on the phone evaluating market for Simons
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Re: Draft lottery 

Post#56 » by Goldbum » Wed May 17, 2023 11:26 am

Not a snow ball's chance we trade Sharpe +#3 for OG and Siakam. Scoot has way more value than that. Scoot +Barnes is an elite pairing. I would probably take Scoot at 3 if he's available and have the single most dynamic back court in the NBA. Truthfully I get giddy imagining the emense pressure that pairing would put on the rim. Scoot plays with absurd force and so does Shaedon. I know we have Ant and Dame but I wouldn't trade a stronger better defending Ja to placate those 2. Let's just build for the future and use Schmidt's skill to get off this dang treadmill.
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Post#57 » by Sinobas » Wed May 17, 2023 11:56 am

I like Scoot too, he reminds me of Russell Westbrook. He and Sharpe would make for a very entertaining backcourt.
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Post#58 » by PDXKnight » Wed May 17, 2023 1:26 pm

Goldbum wrote:Not a snow ball's chance we trade Sharpe +#3 for OG and Siakam. Scoot has way more value than that. Scoot +Barnes is an elite pairing. I would probably take Scoot at 3 if he's available and have the single most dynamic back court in the NBA. Truthfully I get giddy imagining the emense pressure that pairing would put on the rim. Scoot plays with absurd force and so does Shaedon. I know we have Ant and Dame but I wouldn't trade a stronger better defending Ja to placate those 2. Let's just build for the future and use Schmidt's skill to get off this dang treadmill.


To me it depends on what's available. I think if we want to keep dame Scoot likely doesn't develop and will be a wasted pick. Id rather deal him away in a package for a star than watch him sit behind dame for 4 years.
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Post#59 » by JKiddy » Wed May 17, 2023 1:31 pm

I think you guys will be one of the most exciting teams if you opt for the upcoming rebuild.

But, if Dame is traded why would you not want to keep Simons?

Don't you need a stud G or a young veteran 1/2 scorer?

Siakam is nice but he is older than Simons.
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Post#60 » by The Sebastian Express » Wed May 17, 2023 1:35 pm

Because if we are trading Dame to rebuild because of this draft specifically, in the immediacy, it means we've taken Scoot. You don't delay development there by trading Dame only to keep Simons. You move into the Scoot/Sharpe backcourt immediately, using Simons+ to trade for frontcourt or wing talent.

Considering how poorly Poole played in the playoffs in addition to him being paid more than Simons, I think Simons is a good candidate to a team that might consider Poole but cheaper.

It would also be interesting if Orlando missed out on guard talent in the draft if they would take Simons + protected first for WCJ, in this 'rebuild' scenario in which Dame is traded (which I don't want, but in speculation mode).

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