Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

jakecronus8 · Post #1621 » by **jakecronus8** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:10 pm

I’d be all over trading Khris for Scoot. Not as much so on Jrue but could be talked into it. I imagine they’d be more interested in Jrue of the two as he’s about as perfect of a fit next to Lillard in any backcourt.

German Athens · Post #1622 » by **German Athens** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:13 pm

If Portland is serious about maximizing Dame, and winning now - Simons and sharpe for Jrue?

ABucksFan · Post #1623 » by **ABucksFan** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:13 pm

Assuming CHA takes Miller and combo of Scoot/Giannis/Jrue or Khris has us in a decent spot next year and into the future. I think POR chooses Jrue over Khris because of contract situation and injury history. I do think if MIN wanted to they could offer KAT straight up for 3rd pick and that would trump us. Scoot/Gobert/Edwards would be nasty and make more sense from team building.

raferfenix · Post #1624 » by **raferfenix** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:14 pm

If we are to take Damian Lillard and what he says seriously, the Portland Trail Blazers will trade the No. 3 pick that was just awarded to them Tuesday at the NBA Draft Lottery.

On April 9, in the hour after the Trail Blazers ended their second consecutive embarrassing season, Lillard flatly said he didn’t want to entertain what a lottery pick could do for the Blazers’ future. The future, in Lillard’s mind, was here, and he wants somebody who has the experience, the mindset, and the chops to win. Now.

“I’m just not interested in that. That’s not a secret,” Lillard said in April when asked about adding another young player. “I want a chance to go for it.”

That’s a pretty strong directive from the franchise pillar, and you had better believe hearing Lillard say that made general manager Joe Cronin pucker a bit. Since Cronin took over in December 2021, his words have said the right things (he wants to build an immediate winner for Lillard), but his actions have indicated a long-term build around youth and picks.

Now that we know there is no longer the possibility of the No. 1 pick and Victor Wembanyama, there should be no more waffling. No more kicking the can down the road. It’s decision time for Cronin: Make trades to win now for Lillard, or kickstart the next era of Trail Blazers basketball around Shaedon Sharpe, Anfernee Simons and whoever emerges as the No. 3 pick.

The dilemma for Cronin? He’s not holding a great hand at the poker table, and I think he knows it. He came in and talked about building a winner around Lillard, but he’s finding out that he doesn’t have the assets to make it happen.

https://theathletic.com/4526459/2023/05/16/trail-blazers-nba-draft-lottery/?amp=1

Post #1625 » by **Prez** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:20 pm

German Athens wrote:If Portland is serious about maximizing Dame, and winning now - Simons and sharpe for Jrue?

Easy yes for me but I doubt we’re seriously looking to trade Jrue and I think Sharpe makes Portland say no.

StickeeFingaz · Post #1626 » by **StickeeFingaz** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:27 pm

Portland is delusional. The only way they’re competing for a championship is getting a co-star that’s better than Dame and how are they going to do that?

Ron Swanson · Post #1627 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:30 pm

StickeeFingaz wrote:Portland is delusional. The only way they’re competing for a championship is getting a co-star that’s better than Dame and how are they going to do that?

Only way is if they put the godfather offer in (3rd pick, Sharpe, Simons, future picks and swaps) and pray that another Top-10 guy demands a trade? I'm not sure who that'd be, but even then, they're so far away from contending which is why I don't believe for a second they're serious about trading #3. It's just lip service before they sit down with Dame and hash things out.

tydett · Post #1628 » by **tydett** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:31 pm

Think Middleton would be the more attractive option for POR - doubt they want to give up either Sharpe or Simons, and Jrue just adds to a backcourt clog then.

Unfortunately, not sure if Portland has the salaries to match there without giving up Grant in a S&T (which would honestly be incredible for Milwaukee), but doubt they do that in addition to sending the 3rd pick.

raferfenix · Post #1629 » by **raferfenix** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:33 pm

Dame’s gonna push Portland to make a godfather offer for Giannis.

Not saying the Bucks will entertain it. At least this offseason.

But Dame and Giannis could be playing a game of chicken over who asks out first.

BroncoBuck · Post #1630 » by **BroncoBuck** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:36 pm

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German Athens · Post #1631 » by **German Athens** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:36 pm

Prez wrote:
German Athens wrote:If Portland is serious about maximizing Dame, and winning now - Simons and sharpe for Jrue?

Easy yes for me but I doubt we’re seriously looking to trade Jrue and I think Sharpe makes Portland say no.

Yeah, and looking at their salaries, it’s really hard to get a deal that makes sense for both sides.

Simons, little, #23, and the ‘25 first for Jrue?

One first coming our way doesn’t feel like it’s bridged the gap, but two firsts feels like it may be too much from them. Is the value still off?

BroncoBuck · Post #1632 » by **BroncoBuck** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:41 pm

If I were Portland I’d trade Dame and build around Scoot/Miller, Simons, Sharpe.

I’d just rather have guys on the same timeline, especially with the way the West is built right now.

Edit-thinking about this more…if you put Dame on the table for Zion+Trey Murphy who blinks first.

Simons
Sharpe
Miller
Grant
Zion

Dame
CJ
Ingram
Nance
Jonas

WRau1 · Post #1633 » by **WRau1** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:47 pm

I think POR trades Dame and rebuilds. There could be a chance for MIL to steal Grant, we know Horst was interested last off-season.

jschligs · Post #1634 » by **jschligs** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:50 pm

raferfenix wrote:Dame’s gonna push Portland to make a godfather offer for Giannis.

Not saying the Bucks will entertain it. At least this offseason.

But Dame and Giannis could be playing a game of chicken over who asks out first.

There is ZERO indication that Giannis will ask out. You sound a bit like the media here, is this Woj's burner?

Ron Swanson · Post #1635 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:53 pm

Friendly reminder that a sign & trade for us is all but impossible given our cap situation. So I don't see Grant as a possibility, and even the Fred Van Vleet stuff would require him to opt into his PO before June 15th ($22.8 mil). Horst is gonna have to get really creative if we wanna make any significant upgrades to the roster.

RiotPunch · Post #1636 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:56 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Friendly reminder that a sign & trade for us is all but impossible given our cap situation. So I don't see Grant as a possibility, and even the Fred Van Vleet stuff would require him to opt into his PO before June 15th ($22.8 mil). Horst is gonna have to get really creative if we wanna make any significant upgrades to the roster.

Not necessarily true regarding Khris, at least, since he likely won't be getting a 5% raise with his new contract, thus not triggering BYC rules.

Receiving a S&T guy though, yeah. Can't do it.

SirChurros · Post #1637 » by **SirChurros** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:14 pm

I’m not even a big FVV guy but I think this team is infinitely better if you can somehow add him and shift Jrue off-ball. Not idea how realistic it is, I’m not a numbers guy.

LuessiT · Post #1638 » by **LuessiT** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:25 pm

I don't think Portland does anything of note. They're going to pretend to win now, then said they tried but there was no value in the market, draft a prospect and keep Dame around.

Ron Swanson · Post #1639 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:30 pm

LuessiT wrote:I don't think Portland does anything of note. They're going to pretend to win now, then said they tried but there was no value in the market, draft a prospect and keep Dame around.

They did the exact same thing last offseason which is why it ain't happening after Dame came out and publicly said he has no interest discussing what a lottery pick would do for the franchise. They're either trading the pick for the best available veteran player, or they're drafting one of Miller/Scoot and Dame is out. I really don't see how it isn't one or the other at this point.

emunney · Post #1640 » by **emunney** » Wed May 17, 2023 3:49 pm

raferfenix wrote:
If we are to take Damian Lillard and what he says seriously, the Portland Trail Blazers will trade the No. 3 pick that was just awarded to them Tuesday at the NBA Draft Lottery.

On April 9, in the hour after the Trail Blazers ended their second consecutive embarrassing season, Lillard flatly said he didn’t want to entertain what a lottery pick could do for the Blazers’ future. The future, in Lillard’s mind, was here, and he wants somebody who has the experience, the mindset, and the chops to win. Now.

“I’m just not interested in that. That’s not a secret,” Lillard said in April when asked about adding another young player. “I want a chance to go for it.”

That’s a pretty strong directive from the franchise pillar, and you had better believe hearing Lillard say that made general manager Joe Cronin pucker a bit. Since Cronin took over in December 2021, his words have said the right things (he wants to build an immediate winner for Lillard), but his actions have indicated a long-term build around youth and picks.

Now that we know there is no longer the possibility of the No. 1 pick and Victor Wembanyama, there should be no more waffling. No more kicking the can down the road. It’s decision time for Cronin: Make trades to win now for Lillard, or kickstart the next era of Trail Blazers basketball around Shaedon Sharpe, Anfernee Simons and whoever emerges as the No. 3 pick.

The dilemma for Cronin? He’s not holding a great hand at the poker table, and I think he knows it. He came in and talked about building a winner around Lillard, but he’s finding out that he doesn’t have the assets to make it happen.

https://theathletic.com/4526459/2023/05/16/trail-blazers-nba-draft-lottery/?amp=1

Lol! He absolutely does have the assets to make it happen. They have all their picks including the #3 overall this year. They have a couple promising young players. Building a winner from what they have would be a 1 day job.