2023 NBA Draft – Thurs, 8PM, June 22

reload141 · Post #881 » by **reload141** » Wed May 17, 2023 4:04 am

I personally think we just draft Victor with the 35th pick instead of all these other players being mentioned.

Makes sense to me.

zoyathedestroya · Post #882 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Wed May 17, 2023 11:05 am

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How is he even sure Spurs would take him at #1? They already have Zach Collins and Gorgui Dieng.

Larry_Russell · Post #883 » by **Larry_Russell** » Wed May 17, 2023 11:11 am

Really like whitehead.

I think he would have been at least close to a lotto pick had he not been injured.

Also I feelnlike Celtics will push hard to grab a late first as well to nab a prospect bigman.

Also Houston is 100% going to be moving a wing playet now, and I can see detroit swapping stewart for a floor spacing pf(hello grant williams)

Curmudgeon · Post #884 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed May 17, 2023 12:00 pm

djFan71 wrote:Bummed about 35 as well. I feel like I’m in Jordan Walsh and Julian Phillips mode now instead of trading into Clowney, GG land. Hopefully the Nets or someone else in the 20s won’t be too disappointed with 35 and PP instead of 33.

I'm still waiting for a succinct explanation of why this happened. Maybe I'm dense.

As for the 2023 draft, any love for Adama Sanogo? Many mocks have him going undrafted. I'm adding him to my list of sleepers along with Tubelis.

Post #885 » by **165bows** » Wed May 17, 2023 12:17 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Bummed about 35 as well. I feel like I’m in Jordan Walsh and Julian Phillips mode now instead of trading into Clowney, GG land. Hopefully the Nets or someone else in the 20s won’t be too disappointed with 35 and PP instead of 33.

I'm still waiting for a succinct explanation of why this happened. Maybe I'm dense.

As for the 2023 draft, any love for Adama Sanogo? Many mocks have him going undrafted. I'm adding him to my list of sleepers along with Tubelis.

The rules for tiebreakers are a bit of a compensatory mechanism. Ie, Since the spurs ended up "breaking"the tie in their favor, the other tiebreaker goes to Houston so they go the better second round pick. It was going to boston 33 or worse, so we got the portland pick instead of the better houston one.

On another note, I wonder if Trader Brad is dying to trade the 2024 first round pick as soon as the draft hits. One of the subplots of draft night lol.

Curmudgeon · Post #886 » by **Curmudgeon** » Wed May 17, 2023 12:22 pm

[quote="165bows"]
The rules for tiebreakers are a bit of a compensatory mechanism. Ie, Since the spurs ended up "breaking"the tie in their favor, the other tiebreaker goes to Houston so they go the better second round pick. It was going to boston 33 or worse, so we got the portland pick instead of the better houston one.

So I had it backwards. Houston had to finish ahead of the Spurs in the lottery in order for Boston to get #33.

Post #887 » by **165bows** » Wed May 17, 2023 12:25 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
165bows wrote:The rules for tiebreakers are a bit of a compensatory mechanism. Ie, Since the spurs ended up "breaking"the tie in their favor, the other tiebreaker goes to Houston so they go the better second round pick. It was going to boston 33 or worse, so we got the portland pick instead of the better houston one.

So I had it backwards. Houston had to finish ahead of the Spurs in the lottery in order for Boston to get #33.

Yeah long story short it's backwards of the first round so the C's pick got bounced up. Then the protections on it bounced it further down again.

Hal14 · Post #888 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 17, 2023 12:54 pm

playa-hater wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Interesting - another mock draft that has us taking Whitehead.

https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-mock-draft-8-san-antonio-spurs-land-the-no-1-pick-with-victor-wembanyamas-future-team-revealed-012751198.html

It turns out hes not as short as they had listed and I am definitely intrigued by him as well.. Seems like hes big and strong enough to be a 3 when needed.

Both of these Draft Twitter nerds have Whitehead going 12th to OKC. So some people are pretty high on him. Could turn out to be a steal if we get him at 35, but I feel like he is gonna be gone before our pick..

Read on Twitter

Hal14 · Post #889 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 17, 2023 1:03 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Houston is 100% going to be moving a wing playet now,

Idk about that. At this point, I think Houston probably takes Amen Thompson at 4, a PG. So they can keep the wings they have.

Larry_Russell wrote:and I can see detroit swapping stewart for a floor spacing pf(hello grant williams)

Possibly. But DET could just play Bogdanovic at the 4. He can play either the 3 or the 4.

There's also a chance DET grabs Taylor Hendricks at 5, a floor spacing PF. Hendricks is a lot like Jabari Smith Jr, and if he really hits - he could be the next Jaren Jackson Jr.

jordb2k7 · Post #890 » by **jordb2k7** » Wed May 17, 2023 1:10 pm

I don't know why but Udoka being in Houston aside I kind of wanted us to end up with 35. I don't think the difference between 33 and 35 is anything. However giving up the 35th pick for Muscala would have been a bit of a stinger to me. Maybe I'm crazy. I like him and hope he plays a good role for us next year. He started strong then had to have gotten hurt.

Hal14 · Post #891 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 17, 2023 1:18 pm

Jesus lol

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Hal14 · Post #892 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 17, 2023 1:46 pm

Looking at some updated mocks, seems like Clowney will be gone before our pick. I really like Clowney and his potential fit here. And I suppose there's a chance we could trade up to get him. But I doubt Brad trades up into the 1st round. He loves veterans and hates 1st round picks haha.

Also, seems like a slight chance Nnaji is still there.

These 4 bigs all have a chance of still being there:

-Isaiah Miranda
-James Nnaji
-Adem Bona
-Trayce Jackson-Davis

Trisan Vukcevic will also likely be there. I have him a tier below those other 4 guys as of now, but that could change, depending on how he looks in the combine scrimmages today and tomorrow.

Fencer reregistered · Post #893 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed May 17, 2023 2:18 pm

Hal14 wrote:Jesus lol

Read on Twitter

They know how to make a fuss in San Antonio.

Watch on YouTube

Oh wait -- that's fictionalized.

playa-hater · Post #894 » by **playa-hater** » Wed May 17, 2023 4:29 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Jesus lol

Read on Twitter

They know how to make a fuss in San Antonio.

Watch on YouTube

Oh wait -- that's fictionalized.

I am not sure people on here appreciate your "old School" references you often make.. I for one do..

playa-hater · Post #895 » by **playa-hater** » Wed May 17, 2023 4:40 pm

NuckyPowell wrote:I wouldn't mind another sturdy wing to back up Jaylen. Keyontae Johnson is at least interesting as a 3 and D prospect. Looks like he really defends. Shoots the 3 at a 40% clip. Have a look:

Watch on YouTube

Just looked him up.. About 6'5 and almost 240? Very unique in that regard. Shot the ball well from 3. Kind of reminds me of a bigger Lu Dort or a PJ Tucker type. Could be a sleeper for sure. *** If he can defend like those guys I am all in.

Edit. My desire is a 3 and D type of wing with the player being above average in at least one of those 2 attributes. Having a Hauser who is above average in shooting makes me want a Junk yard dog type, who can at least be a reasonable good shooter.

Hal14 · Post #896 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 17, 2023 4:54 pm

Hal14 wrote:Stats for Isaiah Miranda are tricky, since he didn't play college ball this season.

He only played HS and in some AAU events/showcases.

But Cerebro Sports does have stats for 13 of those games. And I watched 3 other games on Youtube.

So it is a small sample size, but in those 16 games, Miranda shot 58.8% from 3 on 2.3 attempts per game (22/37.4)

Those are bonkers numbers for any player, let alone a 7-footer who was only 18 when he played in these games. And quite a few of these shots are off the dribble (side steps, step-backs). It's not like they're all wide open spotting up from 3.

https://www.pawtuckettimes.com/sports/no-shortage-of-potential-college-basketball-suitors-as-pawtuckets-miranda-weighs-next-move/article_8114117a-f18a-11ed-b1ea-07d7acf1d02c.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

It’s been confirmed that Miranda will work out for the Boston Celtics on May 22 and the Oklahoma City Thunder on May 24.

playa-hater · Post #897 » by **playa-hater** » Wed May 17, 2023 5:03 pm

Reading that many teams would rather trade their pick like Houston Indiana Dallas OKC and Portland for a veteran. Maybe any one of Smart-Brogdon-White can be moved to get that younger "bigger" player to help and eventual replace Al and/or RW.

Hal14 · Post #898 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 17, 2023 5:08 pm

playa-hater wrote:Reading that many teams would rather trade their pick like Houston Indiana Dallas OKC and Portland for a veteran. Maybe any one of Smart-Brogdon-White can be moved to get that younger "bigger" player to help and eventual replace Al and/or RW.

We're set up to be contenders for the next 5 years. We're not trading a proven vet like Smart for a young, unproven draft pick.

That's the opposite strategy of what we're trying to do. That's the strategy for rebuilding teams.

playa-hater · Post #899 » by **playa-hater** » Wed May 17, 2023 6:09 pm

Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:Reading that many teams would rather trade their pick like Houston Indiana Dallas OKC and Portland for a veteran. Maybe any one of Smart-Brogdon-White can be moved to get that younger "bigger" player to help and eventual replace Al and/or RW.

We're set up to be contenders for the next 5 years. We're not trading a proven vet like Smart for a young, unproven draft pick.

That's the opposite strategy of what we're trying to do. That's the strategy for rebuilding teams.

How long do you think Al and or RW will last?? 5 years ?? LOL no chance. Sorry but Kornet Kaben Jelly or Muscala are not the answer. To contend a team needs balance. We are way too thin upfront. Al is already starting to show his age these playoffs and RW is definitely not the same.

You can't wait for the tires to fall off before you make the change.

Hal14 · Post #900 » by **Hal14** » Wed May 17, 2023 6:28 pm

playa-hater wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:Reading that many teams would rather trade their pick like Houston Indiana Dallas OKC and Portland for a veteran. Maybe any one of Smart-Brogdon-White can be moved to get that younger "bigger" player to help and eventual replace Al and/or RW.

We're set up to be contenders for the next 5 years. We're not trading a proven vet like Smart for a young, unproven draft pick.

That's the opposite strategy of what we're trying to do. That's the strategy for rebuilding teams.

How long do you think Al and or RW will last?? 5 years ?? LOL no chance. Sorry but Kornet Kaben Jelly or Muscala are not the answer. To contend a team needs balance. We are way too thin upfront. Al is already starting to show his age these playoffs and RW is definitely not the same.

You can't wait for the tires to fall off before you make the change.

There's many ways to acquire players.

-Trade for a proven vet
-Sign a proven vet via free agency
-Draft someone with pick 35
-Trade Smart to move up in the draft

You suggested the last option. I'm just saying that I'd prefer to do 1 of the other options - that's what contending teams do, imo.

We can also have Rob/Al split mins at the 5, with Tatum at the 4. Or Grant at the 4. Or Gallo at the 4. And if there's a small amount of mins at the 5 left over when Al/Rob are out, we can have Muscala/Griffin/Kornet in there. Just like we did this season.

But yes, eventually we'll need to add someone (who can play the 4 and/or the 5) who is a starter-level guy. Maybe that is this offseason, maybe it's next offseason..