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Re: NBA Draft Thread 2023 

Post#281 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed May 17, 2023 3:28 pm

greg4012 wrote:GG Jackson's appeal is that he has length and has enough of a handle and enough athleticism to create open looks for himself around the court. And he's young.

But, if he can't hit any shots then what good is it to add a blackhole that only tries to take them. His shooting numbers and decisionmaking were BAD BAD.

His wingspan is subpar for his size (6'10), so he's kind of a mediocre-sized 4 that tries to play like a 2. His assist to turnover ratio was putrid (0.8 assists to 2.7 turnovers) and his usage was massive.

Seems like a blackhole that doesn't have a skillset to do the things you want someone his size or position to do and needs the ball in his hands to try to make an impact but isn't efficient enough to warrant having the ball in his hands.

I see the upside appeal. But when chasing upside, I want to at least see some baseline skills to function as a role player. That's what I like about D'ariq Whitehead (baseline as 3&D role player) and Leonard Miller (baseline as rim-runner and modern PF).

I may be a broken record on my Leonard Miller hype, but to me he is the real version of what GG Jackson is hyped to be.

I like Miller but from Spo's point of view he's not going to play him with Bam. Miller would be isolated to rim running Center in our system. Kris Murray is probably the best fit at the 4 right now with Bam. I don't want us having another Precious Achuiwa situation.
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Re: NBA Draft Thread 2023 

Post#282 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 17, 2023 3:51 pm

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greg4012 wrote:GG Jackson's appeal is that he has length and has enough of a handle and enough athleticism to create open looks for himself around the court. And he's young.

But, if he can't hit any shots then what good is it to add a blackhole that only tries to take them. His shooting numbers and decisionmaking were BAD BAD.

His wingspan is subpar for his size (6'10), so he's kind of a mediocre-sized 4 that tries to play like a 2. His assist to turnover ratio was putrid (0.8 assists to 2.7 turnovers) and his usage was massive.

Seems like a blackhole that doesn't have a skillset to do the things you want someone his size or position to do and needs the ball in his hands to try to make an impact but isn't efficient enough to warrant having the ball in his hands.

I see the upside appeal. But when chasing upside, I want to at least see some baseline skills to function as a role player. That's what I like about D'ariq Whitehead (baseline as 3&D role player) and Leonard Miller (baseline as rim-runner and modern PF).

I may be a broken record on my Leonard Miller hype, but to me he is the real version of what GG Jackson is hyped to be.

I like Miller but from Spo's point of view he's not going to play him with Bam. Miller would be isolated to rim running Center in our system. Kris Murray is probably the best fit at the 4 right now with Bam. I don't want us having another Precious Achuiwa situation.


Yep. If i was building a team id shoot for a classic lineup. With Spo (who is a Heat lifer) you need to be able to defend multiple positions and shoot the ball well. I think Murray is a logical choice.
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Re: NBA Draft Thread 2023 

Post#283 » by greg4012 » Wed May 17, 2023 3:52 pm

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greg4012 wrote:GG Jackson's appeal is that he has length and has enough of a handle and enough athleticism to create open looks for himself around the court. And he's young.

But, if he can't hit any shots then what good is it to add a blackhole that only tries to take them. His shooting numbers and decisionmaking were BAD BAD.

His wingspan is subpar for his size (6'10), so he's kind of a mediocre-sized 4 that tries to play like a 2. His assist to turnover ratio was putrid (0.8 assists to 2.7 turnovers) and his usage was massive.

Seems like a blackhole that doesn't have a skillset to do the things you want someone his size or position to do and needs the ball in his hands to try to make an impact but isn't efficient enough to warrant having the ball in his hands.

I see the upside appeal. But when chasing upside, I want to at least see some baseline skills to function as a role player. That's what I like about D'ariq Whitehead (baseline as 3&D role player) and Leonard Miller (baseline as rim-runner and modern PF).

I may be a broken record on my Leonard Miller hype, but to me he is the real version of what GG Jackson is hyped to be.

I like Miller but from Spo's point of view he's not going to play him with Bam. Miller would be isolated to rim running Center in our system. Kris Murray is probably the best fit at the 4 right now with Bam. I don't want us having another Precious Achuiwa situation.


I don’t see why he couldn’t be developed to play with Bam. He’s the prototype modern nba PF.

He’s a former guard that had a late growth spurt to get to his current size (6’10 with 7’2 wingspan).

He’s mobile enough to develop as someone who can switch and potentially guard 3-5.

He shows promise and upside as a 3-point shooter that Achiuwa can only dream of. He’s a better shooter today than Precious is after 3 years of NBA development (Precious is already 23 and has been a sub 60% FT shooter for his college career and most of his NBA career).

Leonard Miller is a 80% ft shooter and has shown marked improvement as a 3 point shooter just over the course of his one post-HS season in the G League (NBA 3-pt line). He literally just came in 4th at the draft combine in the 3-point drill hitting 60% of his looks (15/25). Miller shot 58% from 3 over the last 10 games of his season (2 attempts per game—33% for the season) while averaging 22 ppg, 13 rpg, 2 apg (vs 1.4 to), 1.1 steals and 1.7 blocks.

He was placed in a bunch of different roles throughout the season including some lead ball handling duties while Scoot was out. Despite all of this and really learning to play as a big man for the first time he only continued to improve as the season went on.

Miller and Achiuwa are VERY different prospects.

Unfortunately, it’s likely a moot point as I think it’s trending that he’ll be gone before we pick
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Re: NBA Draft Thread 2023 

Post#284 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed May 17, 2023 3:59 pm

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greg4012 wrote:GG Jackson's appeal is that he has length and has enough of a handle and enough athleticism to create open looks for himself around the court. And he's young.

But, if he can't hit any shots then what good is it to add a blackhole that only tries to take them. His shooting numbers and decisionmaking were BAD BAD.

His wingspan is subpar for his size (6'10), so he's kind of a mediocre-sized 4 that tries to play like a 2. His assist to turnover ratio was putrid (0.8 assists to 2.7 turnovers) and his usage was massive.

Seems like a blackhole that doesn't have a skillset to do the things you want someone his size or position to do and needs the ball in his hands to try to make an impact but isn't efficient enough to warrant having the ball in his hands.

I see the upside appeal. But when chasing upside, I want to at least see some baseline skills to function as a role player. That's what I like about D'ariq Whitehead (baseline as 3&D role player) and Leonard Miller (baseline as rim-runner and modern PF).

I may be a broken record on my Leonard Miller hype, but to me he is the real version of what GG Jackson is hyped to be.

I like Miller but from Spo's point of view he's not going to play him with Bam. Miller would be isolated to rim running Center in our system. Kris Murray is probably the best fit at the 4 right now with Bam. I don't want us having another Precious Achuiwa situation.


I don’t see why he couldn’t be developed to play with Bam. He’s the prototype modern nba PF.

He’s a former guard that had a late growth spurt to get to his current size (6’10 with 7’2 wingspan).

He’s mobile enough to develop as someone who can switch and potentially guard 3-5.

He shows promise and upside as a 3-point shooter that Achiuwa can only dream of. He’s a better shooter today than Precious is after 3 years of NBA development (Precious is already 23 and has been a sub 60% FT shooter for his college career and most of his NBA career).

Leonard Miller is a 80% ft shooter and has shown marked improvement as a 3 point shooter just over the course of his one post-HS season in the G League (NBA 3-pt line). He literally just came in 4th at the draft combine in the 3-point drill hitting 60% of his looks (15/25). Miller shot 58% from 3 over the last 10 games of his season (2 attempts per game—33% for the season) while averaging 22 ppg, 13 rpg, 2 apg (vs 1.4 to), 1.1 steals and 1.7 blocks.

He was placed in a bunch of different roles throughout the season including some lead ball handling duties while Scoot was out. Despite all of this and really learning to play as a big man for the first time he only continued to improve as the season went on.

Miller and Achiuwa are VERY different prospects.

Unfortunately, it’s likely a moot point as I think it’s trending that he’ll be gone before we pick

I really really like Miller but Spo is stubborn as hell and with Jovic drafted last year and after a year of sitting will most likely go into camp with a role as the backup 4/5 big. I also think Miller is going to skyrocket up the boards so as you stated it could all be a moot point.
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Post#285 » by greg4012 » Wed May 17, 2023 4:03 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:I like Miller but from Spo's point of view he's not going to play him with Bam. Miller would be isolated to rim running Center in our system. Kris Murray is probably the best fit at the 4 right now with Bam. I don't want us having another Precious Achuiwa situation.


I don’t see why he couldn’t be developed to play with Bam. He’s the prototype modern nba PF.

He’s a former guard that had a late growth spurt to get to his current size (6’10 with 7’2 wingspan).

He’s mobile enough to develop as someone who can switch and potentially guard 3-5.

He shows promise and upside as a 3-point shooter that Achiuwa can only dream of. He’s a better shooter today than Precious is after 3 years of NBA development (Precious is already 23 and has been a sub 60% FT shooter for his college career and most of his NBA career).

Leonard Miller is a 80% ft shooter and has shown marked improvement as a 3 point shooter just over the course of his one post-HS season in the G League (NBA 3-pt line). He literally just came in 4th at the draft combine in the 3-point drill hitting 60% of his looks (15/25). Miller shot 58% from 3 over the last 10 games of his season (2 attempts per game—33% for the season) while averaging 22 ppg, 13 rpg, 2 apg (vs 1.4 to), 1.1 steals and 1.7 blocks.

He was placed in a bunch of different roles throughout the season including some lead ball handling duties while Scoot was out. Despite all of this and really learning to play as a big man for the first time he only continued to improve as the season went on.

Miller and Achiuwa are VERY different prospects.

Unfortunately, it’s likely a moot point as I think it’s trending that he’ll be gone before we pick

I really really like Miller but Spo is stubborn as hell and with Jovic drafted last year and after a year of sitting will most likely go into camp with a role as the backup 4/5 big. I also think Miller is going to skyrocket up the boards so as you stated it could all be a moot point.


Yea Spo has proven to be bad at developing prospects and maximizing their skillsets

Let’s just agree to see this differently
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Post#286 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed May 17, 2023 4:04 pm

Would really love to get another pick in this draft. So much talent at the back end of the first. Could get a Marcus Sasser at 27 with a deal with the Hornets.
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Post#287 » by IceColdCubano » Wed May 17, 2023 4:38 pm

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Cant do it MWP. Id say trading the 2nd for Beal would be a franchise crippling move. The ultimate goal of winning a chip doesnt get any better by adding Beal. Scoot or Miller needs to be the choice.

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Yeah guessing Hornets should just stay put and continue building. Miller would be a great pick for them. Very interesting if Scoot is sitting at 3 what Portland does. Especially if they are looking for another star player to tandem with Lillard. Maybe Beal to Portland? Simons to the Wiz?


I can understand Portland having a viewpoint that they should try and get a chip with Lillard. Reality is, I dont see that happening unless a top five player joined him. I dont see that happening. If it did, theyd have Dame and top five player and a bunch of G Leaguers.

I think theyre full of **** and will trade his ass after putting out speculation he will stay to increase the return they get when they "mutually" agree to trade him.

If I was Pat, I would be one of those callers, putting ready to go Herro, #18, and future first for #3 pick. Get Scoot in the draft, have a world class PG we need. Let Vincent go elsewhere in the Offseason, and keep Lowry his last year to mentor Scoot, keep Lowry on the bench as a 6th Man.
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Post#288 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed May 17, 2023 4:58 pm

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Yeah guessing Hornets should just stay put and continue building. Miller would be a great pick for them. Very interesting if Scoot is sitting at 3 what Portland does. Especially if they are looking for another star player to tandem with Lillard. Maybe Beal to Portland? Simons to the Wiz?


I can understand Portland having a viewpoint that they should try and get a chip with Lillard. Reality is, I dont see that happening unless a top five player joined him. I dont see that happening. If it did, theyd have Dame and top five player and a bunch of G Leaguers.

I think theyre full of **** and will trade his ass after putting out speculation he will stay to increase the return they get when they "mutually" agree to trade him.

If I was Pat, I would be one of those callers, putting ready to go Herro, #18, and future first for #3 pick. Get Scoot in the draft, have a world class PG we need. Let Vincent go elsewhere in the Offseason, and keep Lowry his last year to mentor Scoot, keep Lowry on the bench as a 6th Man.

Portland hangs up. They already have Simons a 20 point scoring two on a good deal and a young two way guard in Sharpe. Think objectively as the Portland GM. Having a 27 million dollar Herro makes no sense. I could see Wiz and Portland working together with Simons and Beal along with other parts while swapping the 3 and 8. Wiz would then take Scoot. Portland has enough cap room to absorb a good chunk alleviating Wiz’s cap concerns after they resign Porzingis and Kuzma.
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Post#289 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 17, 2023 5:03 pm

If I were the Spurs Id try to get that 3rd pick too. I liked Vassel in his respective draft and hes producing pretty well. You add Scoot and Wemby to him and move anybody else and youve got a super young core.
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Post#290 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed May 17, 2023 5:09 pm

DayofMourning wrote:If I were the Spurs Id try to get that 3rd pick too. I liked Vassel in his respective draft and hes producing pretty well. You add Scoot and Wemby to him and move anybody else and youve got a super young core.

They don’t have anything that moves the needle that Portland would be interested in especially if they are looking to continue to build around Lillard.
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Post#291 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 17, 2023 5:20 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:If I were the Spurs Id try to get that 3rd pick too. I liked Vassel in his respective draft and hes producing pretty well. You add Scoot and Wemby to him and move anybody else and youve got a super young core.

They don’t have anything that moves the needle that Portland would be interested in especially if they are looking to continue to build around Lillard.


Keldon, future picks, any other players and removing cap dead weight? Not enough? Maybe not.

The aim would be to get that other top player to pair with Dame but who could that player be? When you have a top player you rarely ever trade them for the 3rd pick.

In the end, i think they move Dame for more picks and draft Miller or Scoot.
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Post#292 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed May 17, 2023 5:22 pm

Smokescreen, Bkazers would be idiots to trade that pick if Scoot is there. It’s time to part ways
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Post#293 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed May 17, 2023 5:26 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Do you all want GG Jackson? From all indications he will be easily available for the Heat

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From what ive read, hes a few bricks short of a Lego set. Cant invest in that if true.


High risk high reward type of player, I don't see us taking that type of gamble. Could be top 3 in a redraft, but will probably be a negative player for the next 2 years.
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Post#294 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 17, 2023 5:27 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Smokescreen, Bkazers would be idiots to trade that pick if Scoot is there. It’s time to part ways


Contenders should be lining up with all their prospects and picks for Dame. This era has no dominant player. Get that chip now before Wemby or someone else turns into monster.
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Post#295 » by DayofMourning » Wed May 17, 2023 5:29 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Do you all want GG Jackson? From all indications he will be easily available for the Heat

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From what ive read, hes a few bricks short of a Lego set. Cant invest in that if true.


High risk high reward type of player, I don't see us taking that type of gamble. Could be top 3 in a redraft, but will probably be a negative player for the next 2 years.


If hes a wreck up from the neck up it doesnt really matter. You need as many smart leaders as you can get. Whats the purpose of drafting a player if hes not ever going to be there mentally?
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Post#296 » by MartyConlonJr » Wed May 17, 2023 7:12 pm

Rayan Rupert is projected to us in nbadraft.net.

His profile reads like the perfect prospect for us:
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/rayan-rupert/

His NBL numbers seem atrocious, even for a 19 year old.
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Post#297 » by spectrec130 » Wed May 17, 2023 7:47 pm

MartyConlonJr wrote:Rayan Rupert is projected to us in nbadraft.net.

His profile reads like the perfect prospect for us:
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/rayan-rupert/

His NBL numbers seem atrocious, even for a 19 year old.


Don't remember where I read it but somewhere it was reported that he played hurt or got hurt and his playing time got shortened....
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Post#298 » by Wiltside » Thu May 18, 2023 3:16 am

You all know we’re taking Juwan’s kid cmon now
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Post#299 » by twix2500 » Thu May 18, 2023 3:30 am

Isaiah Wong is impressing scouts at the combine

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