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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1841 » by ArthurVandelay » Wed May 17, 2023 4:45 pm

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Jabari Smith and their 4th pick are going to be sacrificed for another star to pair with Harden


I tried drafting up a trade for Pascal to Houston for 2-3 of their young guys, but apparently its not possible since they don't have much salary to match Pascal's. Bummer.


Houston will have a boatload of free capspace this summer to absorb a contract like Siakam. They won't need much to match salaries, even after maxing out Harden.


Yeah, they could sign Harden to a max and still have $20ish M in cap space.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1842 » by dozo » Wed May 17, 2023 4:47 pm

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God Squad wrote:Duff & Los will likely tell you Purdle was worth it and tanking doesn't work.


Does tanking work? What's the evidence?


I was all aboard the tank train at deadline to be clear.

Detroit fans might not be digging the tank today. I don't think after 3 years they have the guy yet. Cade ain't him.


They didn't even need to tank! A 10 man rotation would have secured a top 10 selection. Over achieving last year (FVV & GTJ had career years) and the last two trade deadlines has made the raptors future murky. Do the raptors tank to secure a top 6 selection or compete and risk losing a lottery sel/mid-1st?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1843 » by Jadoogar » Wed May 17, 2023 4:53 pm

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I don't see the guys on your board run the court in transition and block shots at the rim like teeny wittle ol' Cason Wallace does :)


Meh we've gone too hard on defensive prospects. If this guy turns out to be Kyle Lowry, i'll gladly eat crow but i just don't want to go hard after a small, defensive first guard.


He's not a defensive prospect though, he's a legit two way player who can hit pullup and C&S jumpshots at a high level beyond the arc or midrange. He has a decent floater too. I'm betting on his shooting numbers improving, there are already a lot of good markers.


I heard these things about Suggs. Suggs is a good player with a high floor but i don't know if he's the best fit with this roster.

I'll leave it to the real college fans since i've been wrong about prospects before but i'm just looking at the player archetype.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1844 » by ItsDanger » Wed May 17, 2023 4:57 pm

I still like Suggs, wouldn't mind getting him if price was right, as he fits the combo guard mold that I'd want. Major injury risk it seems though.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1845 » by Indeed » Wed May 17, 2023 5:00 pm

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God Squad wrote:Masai has no good young prospects. Other than Barnes.


I have to disagree. I think OG is still a prospect. Achiuwa is a good prospect (people here being patient?). Banton is a good prospect (I compare him to Powell, late 1st and all he needs is shooting).

If you are looking for star power, it usually comes from trades.
Keep in mind that the players lead us to championship team has largely due to Lowry (and Leonard), who we got it from trade. Those we draft all got traded for the championship pieces: DeRozan (worth the same as Leonard?), Ross, Valanciunas, Wright, Poeltl. Who left on that championship that we drafted? Siakam (low 1st), OG (low 1st), Powell (2nd), VanVleet (undraft)?

It's hard to call OG a prospect when contending teams are looking to him as a win now move. As for Precious and Banton, who knows. They need a lot of refinement to thrive at the NBA level. I see the promise but I wouldn't bet on it. I actually think they're the type of peripheral players, at least currently, that scale with the ball IQ of teammates.

That's why I'm partial to gathering smart players that can shoot, pass, dribble, and defend. Raise the floor with smart play until you can acquire the talent you're certain raises the ceiling.


Sounds like you want someone better than Step Curry (better defender) or better than LeBron (smarter). I am sure that would raise the floor, but usually players without holes would be at the top of the draft board, and may only come in decades. Look at last year 1st overall pick, there are concern with quickness on defense, so I am not sure how we can get there.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1846 » by Indeed » Wed May 17, 2023 5:21 pm

Mister Ze wrote:Blazers Pacers and Mavs are all open to moving their pick.

Maybe we’ll find out the future of Fred OG and Siakam on draft night


VanVleet can't be traded due to his player option. Without our own pick next year, I don't see the purpose of getting picks this year in a weak draft.

Trent on the other hand may make his decision before the draft (due to his contract deadline).

I wouldn't be surprised we trade our pick (or drafted player) in this weak draft, particularly the star potential players are gone.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1847 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed May 17, 2023 5:23 pm

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Meh we've gone too hard on defensive prospects. If this guy turns out to be Kyle Lowry, i'll gladly eat crow but i just don't want to go hard after a small, defensive first guard.


He's not a defensive prospect though, he's a legit two way player who can hit pullup and C&S jumpshots at a high level beyond the arc or midrange. He has a decent floater too. I'm betting on his shooting numbers improving, there are already a lot of good markers.


I heard these things about Suggs. Suggs is a good player with a high floor but i don't know if he's the best fit with this roster.

I'll leave it to the real college fans since i've been wrong about prospects before but i'm just looking at the player archetype.



He was far and away Kentucky's best player this year, even though Caligari is a terrible in game coach. Kentucky guards is a thing because Calipari gets the top guards out of high school every year and his system limits them, then they perform really well in the NBA. Cason Wallace is no exception.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1848 » by Dalek » Wed May 17, 2023 5:28 pm

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Dalek wrote:Just thinking about Sasser and where he ends up. My pick if I was a betting man would be Memphis.

Ja is going to be out for a while and they gotta keep afloat with Tyus Jones. Sasser is going to be able to play right away and he defends and shoots it so he can help in key areas.


Memphis should that the best forward/swingman available. GG Jackson if he falls, Kris Murray, Rupert, Sidy Cissoko.


Not sure that is a need - David Roddy, Jake Laravia, Ziaire Williams, even Vince Williams Jr. are on that roster. Maybe if GG falls to them they take him, but PG for them is Jones and Konchar. If Ja is out for 6 months or longer they will need someone to step in.

They love upper classman and good analytics guys. To me, Sasser is a perfect fit there because they need to make up the scoring defecit.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1849 » by Indeed » Wed May 17, 2023 5:35 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
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He's not a defensive prospect though, he's a legit two way player who can hit pullup and C&S jumpshots at a high level beyond the arc or midrange. He has a decent floater too. I'm betting on his shooting numbers improving, there are already a lot of good markers.


I heard these things about Suggs. Suggs is a good player with a high floor but i don't know if he's the best fit with this roster.

I'll leave it to the real college fans since i've been wrong about prospects before but i'm just looking at the player archetype.



He was far and away Kentucky's best player this year, even though Caligari is a terrible in game coach. Kentucky guards is a thing because Calipari gets the top guards out of high school every year and his system limits them, then they perform really well in the NBA. Cason Wallace is no exception.


Wouldn't Suggs be top 3 in this draft?
Would you take Dyson Daniels (8th pick last year) over a top 5 protected 1st of this year?

I personally feel this is a weak draft, and rather prefer to trade the pick for a proven player.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1850 » by youreachiteach » Wed May 17, 2023 5:43 pm

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I tried drafting up a trade for Pascal to Houston for 2-3 of their young guys, but apparently its not possible since they don't have much salary to match Pascal's. Bummer.


Houston will have a boatload of free capspace this summer to absorb a contract like Siakam. They won't need much to match salaries, even after maxing out Harden.


Yeah, they could sign Harden to a max and still have $20ish M in cap space.


Sure, but they;d like to give him help. The matching I think comes from Portland--but we'd have to give up both OG and Pascal to get it (with a ton of picks to stomach it).
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1851 » by PhilBlackson » Wed May 17, 2023 6:03 pm

Indeed wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
I heard these things about Suggs. Suggs is a good player with a high floor but i don't know if he's the best fit with this roster.

I'll leave it to the real college fans since i've been wrong about prospects before but i'm just looking at the player archetype.



He was far and away Kentucky's best player this year, even though Caligari is a terrible in game coach. Kentucky guards is a thing because Calipari gets the top guards out of high school every year and his system limits them, then they perform really well in the NBA. Cason Wallace is no exception.


Wouldn't Suggs be top 3 in this draft?
Would you take Dyson Daniels (8th pick last year) over a top 5 protected 1st of this year?

I personally feel this is a weak draft, and rather prefer to trade the pick for a proven player.


Suggs be top 3 lmao hell no!!

I would easily favour any of Scoot (especially), Miller or Amen over him. Heck there wouldn't be much that separates Suggs from Cason Wallace for me.

If I was assessing Dyson coming out of the G-League, he doesn't stand out to me anymore than Anthony Black tbh. But also what "proven player"?! That's a very blanket statement without actually presenting what you would consider a likely available trade that would also need to happen this summer as well before their contracts balloon even more.

There also seems to be this weird running misled belief that Pascal or OG would warrant some surefire young star in order to make the trade. When the reality is, if teams feel almost certain whatever young player will be a superstar, guess what?! They're not trading for a player the level of OG or Siakam lol those kinds of prospects are only moved to bring in a true star player. Pascal is wonderful but as his all-star reserve to not making a team at all shows, he's not that. So you have to roll the dice a little in players you believe could be better long term at the heights of their potentials and see at least 2-3 guys at that 3rd pick that could EASILY be better if you got the most out of them.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1852 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed May 17, 2023 6:04 pm

https://theathletic.com/4506397/2023/05/17/nba-mock-draft-beat-writers-wembanyama-henderson/
3. Portland Trail Blazers
Brandon Miller | 6-9 forward | 20 years old | Alabama
The Blazers will look to trade this pick. That much was made clear in April when Damian Lillard said in his exit interview that he “wasn’t interested” in adding more youth to the roster. “That’s not a secret,’’ Lillard told reporters. “I want a chance to go for it. And if the route is to (draft youth), then that’s not my route.’’ Now, for the sake of this exercise, and if the Blazers can’t find a suitable haul for the third pick, they would be well served to pick Miller, who is not only the best player remaining but has the size and skill set to help immediately. —Jason Quick

4. Houston Rockets
Cam Whitmore | 6-7 wing | 18 years old | Villanova
We might not see anything happen until they’re actually on the clock, but I fully expect the Rockets to trade this pick when it’s all said and done. But in the event that they don’t and opt for the best player available, I can easily see the Rockets’ brass falling in love with Whitmore. If there’s one thing this team lacks, it’s dynamic, high-upside scoring wings.


Whitmore’s offensive game and its potential jump off the page — with high-level shot creation, power and smoothness to his game. Whitmore’s overall feel for the game and his defensive acumen need fine-tuning but he strikes a poised, confident figure that can step in and contribute from Day 1. —Kelly Iko



5. Detroit Pistons
Amen Thompson | 6-7 guard | 20 years old | Overtime Elite
Given that Detroit, the league’s worst team this past season, got the short end of the stick, I think the organization goes with the highest-upside player – assuming the Pistons keep the pick – and that’s Thompson. He’s athletically gifted, processes the game well and has interesting defensive chops. His shooting has a way to go, but if that clicks, we could be looking at someone who could be in the top-three in a redraft five years from now.

Thompson projects as a lead ballhandler, and with Cade Cunningham and Jaden Ivey, things could get weird. However, Thompson has great upside and the Pistons could hit a home run, even at No. 5, if all breaks right in development. —James Edwards III

6. Orlando Magic
Anthony Black | 6-7 guard | 19 years old | Arkansas
The Magic front office values positional size, and Black has plenty of size for a point guard. He can defend at the point of attack. But the quality the Magic front office really values is smarts, and Black has that all-important quality, too. Don’t take this choice as reflecting on Markelle Fultz’s long-term fit in Orlando (or even Jalen Suggs’ or Cole Anthony’s fits). Consider it taking a swing for a high-upside player. —Josh Robbins

7. Indiana Pacers
Jarace Walker | 6-8 forward | 19 years old | Houston
The Pacers are not at the point where they can draft to a specific need, but Walker, the University of Houston power forward, fits the bill as the best player available at No. 7 and as a player who fills the team’s greatest need. Indiana tried to make-do at power forward with undersized Aaron Nesmith and, later in the season, new arrival Jordan Nwora, but still lacked rebounding and defense. Walker helps in both areas. Don’t be surprised if the Pacers, who have three first-round picks, attempt to move up, possibly with Portland, an organization that wants to put Damian Lillard in more of a win-now mode. If they remain in place, Walker is a solid choice. —Bob Kravitz

8. Washington Wizards
Taylor Hendricks | 6-9 forward | 19 years old | UCF
A combo forward with positional size who can be a solid 3-and-D player right off the bat — and has outstanding upside? I think the Wizards would sign up on the spot. Would there be overlap with Deni Avdija? Yes. But Washington should take the best (and highest-upside) player available. —Josh Robbins

9. Utah Jazz
Ausar Thompson | 6-7 wing | 20 years old | Overtime Elite
Ausar is the less celebrated of the Thompson twins, mainly because he’s played off the ball for most of his career. But Ausar has the same kind of elite athleticism, the same playmaking chops and defensive chops as Amen. He just hasn’t been a point guard to this point of his career. Without his brother, I believe his upside as a playmaker and primary ballhandler gives him a shot at leading a team at some point in his career. As is, he’s a point forward who can help a team in a number of ways. But the upside here is real. He could end up being a star for the Jazz. —Tony Jones

10. Dallas Mavericks
Bilal Coulibaly | 6-7 wing | 18 years old | Metropolitans 92
Hear me out: The Mavericks are exceptionally unlikely to keep the No. 10 pick. They’re in a very tricky spot as they prepare for this coming season for two reasons: 1) They’re expecting to re-sign Kyrie Irving to a backcourt of Luka Dončić and promising young combo guard Jaden Hardy, and 2) they want to win now. Not unexpectedly, the draft’s best wing prospects went in the three-to-nine range, which leaves Dallas with the options of high-ceiling developmental wings who need time or yet another combo guard who wouldn’t have many minutes to play.



But the Mavericks desperately need defenders, and Coulibaly has been the league’s fastest-rising prospect over the past few weeks. He projects as a potential NBA Defensive Player of the Year candidate — at least optimistically— even if he needs plenty of time for that potential to be realized, but if Dallas were to keep this pick, they might target him as an option. It’s very possible he isn’t drafted anywhere near this high. But if Dallas keeps this pick, it might be the best available option for a franchise that has long had a proclivity for European-born players
. —Tim Cato



11. Orlando Magic (via Chicago Bulls)
Gradey Dick | 6-7 wing | 19 years old | Kansas
This freshman wing can really shoot from long range, and the Magic need long-range shooting to complement Paolo Banchero, Markelle Fultz and others. Can shooting be taught at the NBA level? Yes. But Orlando wouldn’t have to do much teaching on that critical skill. The Magic coaching staff could then focus on improving his defense. —Josh Robbins

12. Oklahoma City Thunder
Kobe Bufkin | 6-4 guard | 19 years old | Michigan
Bufkin is the most complete player left on the board. He can shoot, pass, handle and defend. He measured a bit taller than expected this week at the combine, which could allow for more versatility on defense. The Thunder are building one of the most versatile teams in the league, and decision-making is one of the traits that all of their lottery picks possess thus far. Bufkin fits that mold. He would be a bench player from the start, and could bring some much-needed scoring punch as a reserve. The Thunder will need to address their need for more size in the frontcourt at some point, but the ability to add another versatile guard to the mix gives OKC even more upside moving forward. —Andrew Schlecht

13. Toronto Raptors
Cason Wallace | 6-4 guard | 19 years old | Kentucky
It was awfully tempting to go with Canadian Leonard Miller here, but he was a bit too much of a project for me to pull the trigger on, especially given he has a similar frame and vague skill set as Scottie Barnes. The Raptors should not “draft for need” here, but that’s fine, since they need a lot. After they acquired Jakob Poeltl last year, the Raptors’ biggest remaining hole defensively was at the point of attack. Unless it was O.G. Anunoby as the primary defender, they were getting exploited. It’s foolish to expect any rookie to fix that, but Wallace at least profiles as someone who will be able to do that eventually.

His back injury is worrying, so obviously this pick is dependent on a clean enough physical. However, the Raptors have no sure things at guard behind likely unrestricted free agent Fred VanVleet. He is a good enough standstill shooter with the potential to improve, and he has good touch in floater range. —Screech Powers
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1853 » by niQ » Wed May 17, 2023 6:10 pm

Wow, Bilal at 10. Is that the highest he's been ranked so far?
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Post#1854 » by Yallbecrazy » Wed May 17, 2023 6:15 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
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He was far and away Kentucky's best player this year, even though Caligari is a terrible in game coach. Kentucky guards is a thing because Calipari gets the top guards out of high school every year and his system limits them, then they perform really well in the NBA. Cason Wallace is no exception.


Wouldn't Suggs be top 3 in this draft?
Would you take Dyson Daniels (8th pick last year) over a top 5 protected 1st of this year?

I personally feel this is a weak draft, and rather prefer to trade the pick for a proven player.


Suggs be top 3 lmao hell no!!

I would easily favour any of Scoot (especially), Miller or Amen over him. Heck there wouldn't be much that separates Suggs from Cason Wallace for me.

If I was assessing Dyson coming out of the G-League, he doesn't stand out to me anymore than Anthony Black tbh. But also what "proven player"?! That's a very blanket statement without actually presenting what you would consider a likely available trade that would also need to happen this summer as well before their contracts balloon even more.

There also seems to be this weird running misled belief that Pascal or OG would warrant some surefire young star in order to make the trade. When the reality is, if teams feel almost certain whatever young player will be a superstar, guess what?! They're not trading for a player the level of OG or Siakam lol those kinds of prospects are only moved to bring in a true star player. Pascal is wonderful but as his all-star reserve to not making a team at all shows, he's not that. So you have to roll the dice a little in players you believe could be better long term at the heights of their potentials and see at least 2-3 guys at that 3rd pick that could EASILY be better if you got the most out of them.


I don't think you remember the hype around Suggs and the season he put up.
I think he would be getting hype as a top 3-5 player in this draft.
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Post#1856 » by ItsDanger » Wed May 17, 2023 6:18 pm

niQ wrote:Wow, Bilal at 10. Is that the highest he's been ranked so far?

A little higher than I would have thought but not surprising. Not sure how these guys who watch all this video had him in low 30s 2 months ago.
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Post#1857 » by DG88 » Wed May 17, 2023 6:18 pm

niQ wrote:Wow, Bilal at 10. Is that the highest he's been ranked so far?

It's a beat writer mock but I'm not surprised he would get lottery buzz.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1858 » by PhilBlackson » Wed May 17, 2023 6:21 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
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Wouldn't Suggs be top 3 in this draft?
Would you take Dyson Daniels (8th pick last year) over a top 5 protected 1st of this year?

I personally feel this is a weak draft, and rather prefer to trade the pick for a proven player.


Suggs be top 3 lmao hell no!!

I would easily favour any of Scoot (especially), Miller or Amen over him. Heck there wouldn't be much that separates Suggs from Cason Wallace for me.

If I was assessing Dyson coming out of the G-League, he doesn't stand out to me anymore than Anthony Black tbh. But also what "proven player"?! That's a very blanket statement without actually presenting what you would consider a likely available trade that would also need to happen this summer as well before their contracts balloon even more.

There also seems to be this weird running misled belief that Pascal or OG would warrant some surefire young star in order to make the trade. When the reality is, if teams feel almost certain whatever young player will be a superstar, guess what?! They're not trading for a player the level of OG or Siakam lol those kinds of prospects are only moved to bring in a true star player. Pascal is wonderful but as his all-star reserve to not making a team at all shows, he's not that. So you have to roll the dice a little in players you believe could be better long term at the heights of their potentials and see at least 2-3 guys at that 3rd pick that could EASILY be better if you got the most out of them.


I don't think you remember the hype around Suggs and the season he put up.
I think he would be getting hype as a top 3-5 player in this draft.


I honestly wouldn't have even considered him over Scoot or Miller which puts him at best 4th. Scoot looked far more impressive and league ready than Suggs and Miller dominated college ball more than Suggs, in fact it wouldn't be surprised if people made it a conversation of Cade vs Miller had they been in the same draft, although Cade likely would get the nod with more pre-college hype.

Personally I likely wouldn't have taken him over Amen either in a hypothetical where we hadn't drafted Scottie. He's supposed to be every bit the passer and defender of Suggs but 3 inches taller, with much better wingspan and of course freakish hops and I always have a thing for upside lol so yeah Suggs would be 5th at best for me but definitely not top 3.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1859 » by Dalek » Wed May 17, 2023 6:24 pm

I am leaning increasingly to Jalen Hood-Schifino for pick 13. He measured out extremely well in the Combine. The guy is basically a 6'6 216 lbs PG with a 6'10 wingspan who can step onto an NBA court today and guard three positions.

I know the finishing numbers are weird for a guy his size, but watch his film. Indiana basically had two bigs in the paint all the time. He had to navigate with with poor spacing and honestly had to settle for a lot of bad shots. He can definitely improve his scoring, but feel-wise he looks the part of a starting NBA guard especially in a pick and roll heavy offense.

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That mid-range pull-up is his signature shot right now, with the freshman making 43.3 percent of his two-point jumpers and 41.7 percent of his off-the-dribble jumpers. He effectively gets to his spots, squares his feet off the dribble and rises with stability and balance. Though analytics might not approve of that shot selection, he excels at making those looks inside the arc, and it's an area on an NBA floor where he should continue to have the space to elevate into his dangerous shot.

Hood-Schifino takes only 3.4 threes per game, but a confident stroke (36.4 percent 3PT), 76.9 percent free-throw mark and the occasional outburst (six made threes vs. Ohio State, five vs. Northwestern and five vs. Iowa) point to an eventual three-level shot-making threat.

While his vertical pop for finishing isn't ideal and a 53.8 percent conversion rate at the rim isn't great, Hood-Schifino has pulled off some high-difficulty layups and adjustments. It wouldn't be surprising if he shot better around the basket with more space in the NBA.


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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1860 » by PhilBlackson » Wed May 17, 2023 6:25 pm

Faaack I'm really not liking that Bilal Buzz is already starting.

Easy pass on JHS for me though lol^
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