Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[emunney]

The idea that he tried to build a winner around Lillard and won 33 games should be more than enough to get him fired, if he was actually trying to build a winner around Lillard and not do the 'serve two masters' John Hammond special.

[El Pooch Grande]

Well this trade idea will have at least one fan from this board.

Even if CP3 is close to done I would almost do it. DD and Caruso are worth it. Healthy that's a winner! Healthy is the word though.... This don't look right. Salaries a go?

Salaries work with a Midds opt in.

I know the shortcomings that Paul and DeRozan would bring, but I'm not going to lie, I think this lineup would be a significant upgrade.

[LuessiT]

If we are to take Damian Lillard and what he says seriously, the Portland Trail Blazers will trade the No. 3 pick that was just awarded to them Tuesday at the NBA Draft Lottery.

On April 9, in the hour after the Trail Blazers ended their second consecutive embarrassing season, Lillard flatly said he didn’t want to entertain what a lottery pick could do for the Blazers’ future. The future, in Lillard’s mind, was here, and he wants somebody who has the experience, the mindset, and the chops to win. Now.

“I’m just not interested in that. That’s not a secret,” Lillard said in April when asked about adding another young player. “I want a chance to go for it.”

That’s a pretty strong directive from the franchise pillar, and you had better believe hearing Lillard say that made general manager Joe Cronin pucker a bit. Since Cronin took over in December 2021, his words have said the right things (he wants to build an immediate winner for Lillard), but his actions have indicated a long-term build around youth and picks.

Now that we know there is no longer the possibility of the No. 1 pick and Victor Wembanyama, there should be no more waffling. No more kicking the can down the road. It’s decision time for Cronin: Make trades to win now for Lillard, or kickstart the next era of Trail Blazers basketball around Shaedon Sharpe, Anfernee Simons and whoever emerges as the No. 3 pick.

The dilemma for Cronin? He’s not holding a great hand at the poker table, and I think he knows it. He came in and talked about building a winner around Lillard, but he’s finding out that he doesn’t have the assets to make it happen.

https://theathletic.com/4526459/2023/05/16/trail-blazers-nba-draft-lottery/?amp=1

Lol! He absolutely does have the assets to make it happen. They have all their picks including the #3 overall this year. They have a couple promising young players. Building a winner from what they have would be a 1 day job.

He really doesn't. He needs to find 1A to Lillards 1B and find 2B while keeping Grant as 2A. I don't think 1A will be available. Maybe Embiid?

[WRau1]

Bogdan Bogdanovic could be a target again as well. Think he's trade eligible before the season starts.

[M-C-G]

Like many others, I think it is time to find a PG to bring in. We need to find a way to make Giannis life significantly easier for the regular season and stretches of the playoffs. Other than Giannis being a competent free throw shooter, that seems like one of the biggest problems we need to solve.

[paulpressey25]

Do not see Portland or CHA trading their picks. Almost no one trades a top lotto pick when you know you'll get one of the chosen guys (in this case a top 3).

The only possible situation in play for us with the lotto would be either Dallas (#10) in a Middleton S&T or Jrue to Orlando for picks #6 and #11.

I'd doubt Orlando would do that, but that team could badly use Jrue right now. We could then spend those two picks on some higher end vets. Orlando can absorb Jrue's salary, so no cap gymnastics needed.

[machu46]

Do not see Portland or CHA trading their picks. Almost no one trades a top lotto pick when you know you'll get one of the chosen guys (in this case a top 3).

The only possible situation in play for us with the lotto would be either Dallas (#10) in a Middleton S&T or Jrue to Orlando for picks #6 and #11.

I'd doubt Orlando would do that, but that team could badly use Jrue right now. We could then spend those two picks on some higher end vets. Orlando can absorb Jrue's salary, so no cap gymnastics needed.

Feels like there's a decent chance Portland is an exception (I also think this is really a 1 person draft and then a bunch of question marks but I digress). If I were in Charlotte's shoes, I'd probably be gauging interest in a trade too in case some team out there is willing to give a godfather offer for Scoot/Miller. I wouldn't be totally shocked if they traded the pick to try to get better immediately but it would definitely be more surprising than Portland.

As far as the Bucks are concerned, I wouldn't entertain trading up that high. I don't particularly love anyone that will be available there and certainly don't love any of them enough to want to trade Jrue and or Middleton for them. If there's some sort of three team deal that nets us another all-star while those picks get moved, then sure I'd consider that.

[mcfromage]

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[German Athens]

Not a ringing endorsement of Lee then.

[pilprin]

D Ham loss was Big...Clearly bigger than we thought.

[midranger]

Pining for the assistant that left is a direct shot at the head coach. Add it to Giannis’s oblique shot in post series comments and the lack of support from players post firing and it’s a few brushstrokes to start painting a picture.

[GoldenAntlers]

Like many others, I think it is time to find a PG to bring in. We need to find a way to make Giannis life significantly easier for the regular season and stretches of the playoffs. Other than Giannis being a competent free throw shooter, that seems like one of the biggest problems we need to solve.

Going on a decade now...

[German Athens]

Also, proposing that one of the bigger reasons for a loss in 5 games in the first round to an 8 seed was the loss of a lead assistant seems wild to me.

I hope the players are holding themselves accountable, too.

[emunney]

https://theathletic.com/4526459/2023/05/16/trail-blazers-nba-draft-lottery/?amp=1

Lol! He absolutely does have the assets to make it happen. They have all their picks including the #3 overall this year. They have a couple promising young players. Building a winner from what they have would be a 1 day job.

He really doesn't. He needs to find 1A to Lillards 1B and find 2B while keeping Grant as 2A. I don't think 1A will be available. Maybe Embiid?

You don't need 4 possible all stars to have a winning team.

[paulpressey25]

Bobby's comments aren't surprising. He would get benched in situations where he was getting carved up on defense. Understandable Bud's shelf life with him would be short. And I'd guess everytime Bobby got pulled, Ham was the guy to play good cop and calm him down.

That said, it is fair critique on the loss of Darvin Ham. He had a presence to him. No doubt he was a key part of the team. The rest of those assistants all reminded me of guys who write pieces for BrewHoop, including Charles Lee.

[pifhluk23]

"Portland expected to make #3 pick available"

We need to do whatever it takes to get that imo.

[Ruben Quevedo]

"Portland expected to make #3 pick available"

We need to do whatever it takes to get that imo.

The chances of either Miller or Scoot being better than Jrue over the next 2 years are pretty slim in my opinion.

Unless we can flip that pick for a better player I don't see the point.

[machu46]

"Portland expected to make #3 pick available"

We need to do whatever it takes to get that imo.

The chances of either Miller or Scoot being better than Jrue over the next 2 years are pretty slim in my opinion.

Unless we can flip that pick for a better player I don't see the point.

The chances of them being better long term than Jrue currently is is very unlikely too


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[pifhluk23]

"Portland expected to make #3 pick available"

We need to do whatever it takes to get that imo.

The chances of either Miller or Scoot being better than Jrue over the next 2 years are pretty slim in my opinion.

Unless we can flip that pick for a better player I don't see the point.

We have longer then 2 years with Giannis. I'd wager the chances of a #3 pick being better then Jrue are pretty high:

Last 20 #3 picks:

Jabari Smith Jr
Evan Mobley
Lamelo Ball
RJ Barrett
Luka Doncic
Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Jahlil Okafor
Joel Embiid
Otto Porter Jr
Bradley Beal
Enes Freedom
Derrick Favors
James Harden
OJ Mayo
Al Horford
Adam Morrison
Deron Williams
Ben Gordon
Carmelo Anthony

Yeah I'll take my chances that #3 is better then Holiday... especially when you factor in his terrible offensive efficiency in the playoffs and the fact that you've got what at least 8 hall of famers on that list.

Not going for a legit #2 is what has held this franchise back because FO and fans are such homers for current players. Giannis needs another great player next to him, Middleton and Holiday are far from that.

[Ruben Quevedo]

"Portland expected to make #3 pick available"

We need to do whatever it takes to get that imo.

The chances of either Miller or Scoot being better than Jrue over the next 2 years are pretty slim in my opinion.

Unless we can flip that pick for a better player I don't see the point.

The chances of them being better long term than Jrue currently is is very unlikely too


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Very true. And I like both as prospects.