2023 NBA Draft Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

I view Miller as a potential 2 guard.

[Bassman]

I like Scoot but have just as many concerns about him (or more) than Miller. I am so tired of drafting guys who CANT SHOOT. Scoot’s percentages are not promising. Agree his shot is not broken, but there is no guarantee with any player that he can improve shot % exponentially in this league. Also defense; is Scoot a better defender than Terry? No doubt, but that also puts Melo defending 2 guards, and he’s a POOR defender who I do not see investing himself to improve.

Open to counter arguments for sure. Just saying Scoot doesn’t wrap up his position with a bow. At this stage I prefer Miller and also,see him playing SG.

[KingCat]

or because they've seen that the Melo Terry pairing doesn't work and don't want to continue down that path with a guy who is a worse shooter

Are we really gonna act like Scoot is a 1:1 remake of Terry except worse at shooting?

[SWedd523]

or because they've seen that the Melo Terry pairing doesn't work and don't want to continue down that path with a guy who is a worse shooter

That pairing doesn't work cuz neither player can stay in front of their guy. I mean Terry could but he seems to give less s**** about defense than lamelo does these days. I guess if you are drafting scoot to pair with Melo, the hope is that he's much closer to dsj or Cody in terms of his defensive intensity.

Also, Terry is a massive ball stopper who uses all kinds of crafty slow motion moves to get into the paint. He's not particularly good at setting up teammates. With scoot you have someone who should be able to get to the rim at will playing with a lot of speed and generally will make much better decisions with the ball. What you give up is obviously the outside shooting. But there's nothing in his form that looks like that can't be improved over time.

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We don't need outside shooting over time. We need outside shooting now.

Unless he magically decides to start shooting more than 1 three a game AND starts hitting them at a respectable rate, plugging him into the lineup means you can just run a box and 1 defense on Melo and we just continue the crappy clogged toilet offense.

If it was as simple as having a tenacious defender who can push Melo off ball, DSJ would've been a better fit.

We all complain about never bringing in guys who can shoot, yet we keep drafting guys who can't shoot

[LofJ]

or because they've seen that the Melo Terry pairing doesn't work and don't want to continue down that path with a guy who is a worse shooter

The pairing doesn't work because Rozier is LaMelo with worse passing, rebounding, size, and decision making. He's a 6'1 shooting guard playing next to someone who needs him to be able to attack the basket and guard the quicker player in the backcourt. Rozier can't do either of those things and the team suffers because of it.

Scoot can both attack the basket and he projects as an excellent point of attack defender. He's physically developed already as well, he won't have a problem covering guys like Trae, Beal, Lavine, Garland, Mitchell, Ivey, Holiday, Maxey, Brunson, etc. Rozier doesn't have a chance in hell of bothering any of those guys.

[SWedd523]

None of that fixes the offense

[KingCat]

Shooting is a skill that you can find at any point in the draft. Picking a guy at 2 purely for looking like a good shooter while being a less dynamic player sounds like a pretty poor idea

[SWedd523]

Shooting is a skill that you can find at any point in the draft. Picking a guy at 2 purely for looking like a good shooter while being a less dynamic player sounds like a pretty poor idea

Common trope, except we've never found it

[SWedd523]

If we're on Scoot because he can be a great defender, can attack the rim, and is a great athlete... then why not Amen?

Elite athlete, elite at getting to the rim, much better size than Scoot

[amcoolio]

The Nets fans are interested in trading Mikal Bridges for #2. If that was on the table, would you take it over Scoot or Miller?

[KingCat]

Shooting is a skill that you can find at any point in the draft. Picking a guy at 2 purely for looking like a good shooter while being a less dynamic player sounds like a pretty poor idea

Common trope, except we've never found it

Don't allow our horrible draft record misconstrue facts

[LofJ]

None of that fixes the offense

Other than LaMelo and Miles being out for most of the season the issue with the offense was Clifford, Rozier, and Oubre. It isn't a coincidence that the offense went from elite to bad with the coaching change, it wasn't just because LaMelo/Miles were out.

Get a coach not dumb enough to feature Plumlee on offense and bring back a modern, free flowing space and attack offense and things will look a lot better.

[SWedd523]

None of that fixes the offense

Other than LaMelo and Miles being out for most of the season the issue with the offense was Clifford, Rozier, and Oubre. It isn't a coincidence that the offense went from elite to bad with the coaching change, it wasn't just because LaMelo/Miles were out.

Get a coach not dumb enough to feature Plumlee on offense and bring back a modern, free flowing space and attack offense and things will look a lot better.

Guess who are still around?

Cliff, Terry, and Kelly

[Braggins]

or because they've seen that the Melo Terry pairing doesn't work and don't want to continue down that path with a guy who is a worse shooter

Are we really gonna act like Scoot is a 1:1 remake of Terry except worse at shooting?

The realgm Scoot discourse has been atrocious.

[LofJ]

None of that fixes the offense

Other than LaMelo and Miles being out for most of the season the issue with the offense was Clifford, Rozier, and Oubre. It isn't a coincidence that the offense went from elite to bad with the coaching change, it wasn't just because LaMelo/Miles were out.

Get a coach not dumb enough to feature Plumlee on offense and bring back a modern, free flowing space and attack offense and things will look a lot better.

Guess who are still around?

Cliff, Terry, and Kelly

God almighty if this team brings Oubre back Im going to have an aneurism. A big reason I want Scoot is both because I think he's the more dynamic talent AND because it should force us to trade Terry.

If we go into next season with all 3 still employed by the Hornets nothing is fixing the offense. It's so obvious to everyone BR even made an animation about it:

Watch on YouTube

[Liver_Pooty]

The Nets fans are interested in trading Mikal Bridges for #2. If that was on the table, would you take it over Scoot or Miller?

He's due an extension isn't he? That's definitely intriguing.

[JMAC3]

or because they've seen that the Melo Terry pairing doesn't work and don't want to continue down that path with a guy who is a worse shooter

The pairing doesn't work because Rozier is LaMelo with worse passing, rebounding, size, and decision making. He's a 6'1 shooting guard playing next to someone who needs him to be able to attack the basket and guard the quicker player in the backcourt. Rozier can't do either of those things and the team suffers because of it.

Scoot can both attack the basket and he projects as an excellent point of attack defender. He's physically developed already as well, he won't have a problem covering guys like Trae, Beal, Lavine, Garland, Mitchell, Ivey, Holiday, Maxey, Brunson, etc. Rozier doesn't have a chance in hell of bothering any of those guys.

Where does he project to be an excellent point of attack defender? He has shown nothing to that extent in the Gleague.
His 1.2 spg was pretty lackluster playing against average athletes in a sloppy league.
His effort on the defensive end was borderline pathetic for long stretches in the Gleague last year.

You can project he turns into a good defender because he has length etc but that doesn't matter more often than not.
Dame is 6-2 with a 6-8 wingspan and a good athlete, never a defender.
Rozier is 6-1 with a 6-8 wingspan and a not a good defender.
Mitchell is 6-2 with a 6-10 wingspan and a great athlete, again poor defender.

[KingCat]

If we want to talk physical deficiencies let talk about how Brandon Miller's lack of a first step, average athletics, and low dip jumpshot. He is gonna get completely destroyed on close outs by NBA level defenders

[JMAC3]

If we want to talk physical deficiencies let talk about how Brandon Miller's lack of a first step, average athletics, and low dip jumpshot. He is gonna get completely destroyed on close outs by NBA level defenders

Yeah, I will acknowledge he isn't an elite athlete or crazy first step.
I can be realistic on him.

I am saying let's do the same for Scoot, no need to make up that he is projected to be some great point of attack defender when 4/5 scouting reports say his defense is suspect.

[KingCat]

If we want to talk physical deficiencies let talk about how Brandon Miller's lack of a first step, average athletics, and low dip jumpshot. He is gonna get completely destroyed on close outs by NBA level defenders

Yeah, I will acknowledge he isn't an elite athlete or crazy first step.
I can be realistic on him.

I am saying let's do the same for Scoot, no need to make up that he is projected to be some great point of attack defender when 4/5 scouting reports say his defense is suspect.

Yeah I agree with that mate. Neither of our two candidates look stand like stand out defenders day 1 (what young player ever is?) It is impressive that Scoot very much has an NBA veteran build though, while Miller is gonna need a few years to put on some pounds