Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

Matches Malone · Post #1681 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:05 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
ABucksFan wrote:HOU calls up Khris for the 4th pick + spare parts. What you doing.

Driving him to the airport blasting a chopped and screwed playlist.

Khris for 4 and Jrue for 3? 8-)

Xanadu · Post #1682 » by **Xanadu** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:06 pm

For Portland i cant see much better fits around dame than Jrue and Khris would be. Guess would depend on them believing that Khris can get back to pre injury form.

Xanadu · Post #1683 » by **Xanadu** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:07 pm

I don't think Giannis would be behind the idea of trading our vet stars for unproven rookies.

Ruben Quevedo · Post #1684 » by **Ruben Quevedo** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:09 pm

neiLz wrote:
jschligs wrote:
Ruben Quevedo wrote:
We should have Giannis for more than 2 years. But how many more years do we have peak Giannis? He might have already begun his decline....

The time is now

Days like these are when I question why I even come to this board...

dude just had like the best season as a big man since wilt and we are ready to expect a decline. giannis is a freak and a gym rat, he will not be declining anytime soon.

Being a gym rat won't cure his knee and thus far hasn't helped his shooting. I think he *can* change his game enough to stave off decline for a few more years. But it is absolutely possible we've already seen his best.

LUKE23 · Post #1685 » by **LUKE23** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:09 pm

Throughout the entire post-Giannis draft era, all the Bucks needed to do was hit some doubles with their first rounders, and they just couldn't do it. They either drafted guys who are now out of the league, mismanaged them as trade assets, or just had terrible luck all together (Jabari). The flip side of those drafting errors is leaning more on veterans and/or players that other teams just don't want, or are already well into their decline, or both. Now, we are where we are.

The Bucks need two things:

1. More athleticism
2. A legit #1 ball handler that is at least passable starter quality

A move like Jrue for #3 isn't going to happen even if it could (I think Bucks would get beat out with other offers anyway). GA is only 28, but the mileage is starting to add up even if only slightly, and we still haven't seen a great counter for "the wall" defense in the playoffs either via GA improving his game or just a straight offensive schematic adjustment. We need a coach that builds an offense based on movement, spacing, and quick ball movement and that in my opinion will also require a different lead ball handler as the facilitator.

Who the players are - I don't know. I'm definitely looking at the teams with multiple picks in this draft and see who is looking to win now or improve their veteran base. Obviously, free agency is not really an option to improve the team even if Midds opts out and we don't sign him (which I don't think is happening).

Xanadu · Post #1686 » by **Xanadu** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:11 pm

How about a package of Khris and Jrue to Portland for 3 and Simons. Then take the 3rd and use it to get OG from the raptors and perhaps their 1st. Depending on how the new coach feels about Marjon throw him into the mix.
Simons gives you a late shot creation option who i think thrives next to Giannis. OG gives you that elite 3 and D option. Suddenly our teams timelines fit much better. Depends on if you think Simons can be a true star

LUKE23 · Post #1687 » by **LUKE23** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:16 pm

I highly doubt Blazers are trading Simons. They would get a big enough offer for #3 without adding him. The idea would be to build a core 3 that could all be all-stars.

RiotPunch · Post #1688 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:19 pm

Blazers have seen this 2-small-offensive-guard movie before, I definitely think Simons is in play along with #3. Both for Siakam+Anunoby+13 seems like the obvious move.

Xanadu · Post #1689 » by **Xanadu** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:26 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I highly doubt Blazers are trading Simons. They would get a big enough offer for #3 without adding him. The idea would be to build a core 3 that could all be all-stars.

Yeah Dame Jrue and Khris would be those three. Plus the age fit is right and the on court fit with Grant is perfect. Then the Bucks send the 3rd pick for OG and 13.
The Blazers aren't going to find a better win now trade than that. I also don't see the raptors giving up both Siakim and OG.

RiotPunch · Post #1690 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2023 9:34 pm

Xanadu wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:I highly doubt Blazers are trading Simons. They would get a big enough offer for #3 without adding him. The idea would be to build a core 3 that could all be all-stars.

Yeah Dame Jrue and Khris would be those three. Plus the age fit is right and the on court fit with Grant is perfect. Then the Bucks send the 3rd pick for OG and 13.
The Blazers aren't going to find a better win now trade than that. I also don't see the raptors giving up both Siakim and OG.

How are they matching $77M and also re-signing Grant?

TroyD92 · Post #1691 » by **TroyD92** » Wed May 17, 2023 10:25 pm

I’m fine trading guys on the margins. Bobby/Grayson/Pat are all varying levels of overvalued here. Not sure what they get you but Horst has done nothing to inspire confidence he can draft well.

RiotPunch · Post #1692 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2023 10:29 pm

TroyD92 wrote:I’m fine trading guys on the margins. Bobby/Grayson/Pat are all varying levels of overvalued here. Not sure what they get you but Horst has done nothing to inspire confidence he can draft well.

Keep coming back to Rozier. Not sexy, but I think Charlotte looks to more or less dump him to make room for Scoot. Doesn't help our wing depth at all, but he is long for his height, can dribble, shoot, defend when motivated.

RiotPunch · Post #1693 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 17, 2023 10:41 pm

MKE: Rozier, Duarte (or Nesmith), Smith
IND: Portis
CHA: Allen, Connaughton, #26, #29

MKE:

Spoiler:

IND:

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CHA:

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Profound23 · Post #1694 » by **Profound23** » Wed May 17, 2023 11:17 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
ABucksFan wrote:HOU calls up Khris for the 4th pick + spare parts. What you doing.

Driving him to the airport blasting a chopped and screwed playlist.

Khris for 4 and Jrue for 3?

At that point you might as well call SA and offer Giannis for #1 because he isn't sticking around.

*I am not suggesting actually trading Giannis for Wemby....I would not trade Giannis for anyone, just saying in that scenario he will want out so you might as well.

drone3 · Post #1695 » by **drone3** » Wed May 17, 2023 11:23 pm

Brandon Miller looking like a young Midds. If there was ever a time to switch out Midds is probably now.

Lippo · Post #1696 » by **Lippo** » Thu May 18, 2023 12:15 am

drone3 wrote:Brandon Miller looking like a young Midds. If there was ever a time to switch out Midds is probably now.

Or 3 years ago for Butlet..

Profound23 · Post #1697 » by **Profound23** » Thu May 18, 2023 12:22 am

drone3 wrote:Brandon Miller looking like a young Midds. If there was ever a time to switch out Midds is probably now.

Brandon Miller is similar to KD. If there is anyway to get him for Middleton, I am doing it......but there is no way we can.

Xanadu · Post #1698 » by **Xanadu** » Thu May 18, 2023 1:04 am

RiotPunch wrote:
Xanadu wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:I highly doubt Blazers are trading Simons. They would get a big enough offer for #3 without adding him. The idea would be to build a core 3 that could all be all-stars.

Yeah Dame Jrue and Khris would be those three. Plus the age fit is right and the on court fit with Grant is perfect. Then the Bucks send the 3rd pick for OG and 13.
The Blazers aren't going to find a better win now trade than that. I also don't see the raptors giving up both Siakim and OG.

How are they matching $77M and also re-signing Grant?

Yeah that's definitely not a easy problem to solve but Simons and maybe Nurkic might be close. Think they have bird rights for Grant and should be willing to go in the tax for Dames twilight.

Post #1699 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu May 18, 2023 2:08 am

Was listening to Hollinger and Duncan talk about who might trade lotto picks. Then they went into more detail on the 2nd apron.

This 2nd apron is going to be a major problem. The limits on trading draft picks and having your first rounder drop to the end of round one if you are over the apron 2 out of 4 years is a killer. Then the increased tax penalties.

I believe it means that if Khris Middleton doesn't agree to a deal starting at $30mm a year or less, they will let him walk. Or alternatively, the Jrue for the Scoot pick or for Orlando picks deal to shed salary comes into play.

I think one of those two guys is as good as gone, barring Middleton signing for a discount.

drone3 · Post #1700 » by **drone3** » Thu May 18, 2023 2:21 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Was listening to Hollinger and Duncan talk about who might trade lotto picks. Then they went into more detail on the 2nd apron.

This 2nd apron is going to be a major problem. The limits on trading draft picks and having your first rounder drop to the end of round one if you are over the apron 2 out of 4 years is a killer. Then the increased tax penalties.

I believe it means that if Khris Middleton doesn't agree to a deal starting at $30mm a year or less, they will let him walk. Or alternatively, the Jrue for the Scoot pick or for Orlando picks deal to shed salary comes into play.

I think one of those two guys is as good as gone, barring Middleton signing for a discount.

I mean Jrue is retiring in '25 so it has to be Midds right?