Official Trade Thread Part XLV

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Is there any chance Beal would want to go to Orlando? They have two lottery picks this year. Orlando is kinda close to U of F.

Beal would be starting over in a way, but probably with a better foundation for success than what we have with young guys like Suggs and Banchero.

Orlando is not New York or LA, but maybe he'd go there.

That no trade clause is going to make trading him hard - who would have thought.

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I have seen this trade on twitter and, per the Fanspo app works cap wise. Draft night and assuming Scoot Henderson drops to #3:

WAS trades Beal + #8 to POR for Simmons + Little + #3
POR trades Simmons + Little + #3 for Beal + #8

Thoughts?

I'd absolutely do this, and I'm not really even a fan of Simons.

I'd like it better if Simons was flipped someplace else for more assets. I'm not a fan of undersized shooting guards who don't defend. Could we send Simons to Toronto for Anunoby?

PG Henderson/Morris
SG Kispert
SF AnunobyAvdija
PF Kuzma/Avdija
C Porzingis/Gafford

nate's got this exactly right.
Only question is whether Toronto would move Anunoby for Simons, & I think that might be doubtful.

Would they do Little + 3 + 23 (which they have from the Knicks) for Beal? If so, I like that for us.

I'd even go for Little +3 + 43 for Beal & 8.

[PaulinVA]

Is there any chance Beal would want to go to Orlando? They have two lottery picks this year. Orlando is kinda close to U of F.

Beal would be starting over in a way, but probably with a better foundation for success than what we have with young guys like Suggs and Banchero.

Orlando is not New York or LA, but maybe he'd go there.

That no trade clause is going to make trading him hard - who would have thought.

I imagine he wouldn't mind not having to pay state income tax there.

[Dark Faze]

Portland's salary situation doesn't seem conducive to a win-now deal with the #3 going out. Everyone that makes any money of significance is a good player on solid value. Who is going to be worth Simons + 3 while still being within spitting distance of hitting the salary match requirements? Such a player is very likely on a max deal.

The only guy I can think of at the top of my head would be O.G Anunoby. You could move OG for #3, Nas Little, and just a bit more salary in terms of filler. I'd probably want a bit more if I'm Portland. I think this is a probable deal:

Portland out: #3, Nas Little, filler

Toronto out: O.G Anunoby, #13

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That trade would get us laughed off the phone.

Maybe? What is Portland going to do with that pick? Who else are they going to go out and get to make them competitive? Scoot/Miller aren’t changing anything with that roster.

Teams overpay for “star” players all the time. Especially when they have pressure from the aging face of the franchise.

Didn’t a 34 year old Durant just got for Bridges+Johnson and four unprotected 1st round picks?

30 year old Gobert went for 4 first round picks, a pick swap, and Vanderbilt, Beasley, and Kessler.

Grant and Simons are just filler. It’s Beal for 3rd overall.

Yeah, and the Gobert trade is aging super well. The Blazers are not giving up the 3rd pick for the privilege of swapping a:

23-year-old 21ppg scorer making 24 million.
29-year-old 23ppg scorer making 47 million.

Simons is just simply not filler.

First off, welcome joshuacf. Always great to add someone new to this active Board.

Simons may not be filler, but he isn't very good. Yet, he's lined up to make $24m next year, & is guaranteed for 3 more years overall. Like Brad, he's overpaid.

I still find it hard to imagine Portland acquiring Brad. They're in need of a total rebuild. Adding Beal to Lillard just makes the process to difficult.

[tacosman]

I would assume it would be Simons+Grant+3 for Beal.

But then I’m taking Amen at 3 and Ausar at 8.

That trade would get us laughed off the phone.

Maybe? What is Portland going to do with that pick?

uhhhh.....just take whichever of Scoot/Miller. And force Dame's hand.

A lot of people think Portland is thrilled to get #3 because they can just sit back and take the player left in a 3 player draft, and then call Dame's hand. Meaning they kinda want to get off Dame and move him,but don't want to be the one to have to
ask for that. By getting the 3rd pick and having the opportunity to take scoot or Miller, now Dame is going to be faced with a choice where he either sucks it up and plays with Scoot or Miller, or asks out. I think portland would be ok with either.

But I just don't see a scenario where Dame forces Blazers to trade this very valuable pick(again the 3rd pick in a 3 player draft) for 200some million dollars of bradley freaking beal......that aint happening lmao.

[NatP4]

Is there any chance Beal would want to go to Orlando? They have two lottery picks this year. Orlando is kinda close to U of F.

Beal would be starting over in a way, but probably with a better foundation for success than what we have with young guys like Suggs and Banchero.

Orlando is not New York or LA, but maybe he'd go there.

That no trade clause is going to make trading him hard - who would have thought.

Orlando is gonna sit right there at 7 and take Ausar Thompson and have the best young core in the league with Suggs-Ausar-Wagner-Banchero.

They have benefited over and over from really awful picks just above them, it’s gonna happen again this year.

[Frichuela]

Is there any chance Beal would want to go to Orlando? They have two lottery picks this year. Orlando is kinda close to U of F.

Beal would be starting over in a way, but probably with a better foundation for success than what we have with young guys like Suggs and Banchero.

Orlando is not New York or LA, but maybe he'd go there.

That no trade clause is going to make trading him hard - who would have thought.

Orlando is gonna sit right there at 7 and take Ausar Thompson and have the best young core in the league with Suggs-Ausar-Wagner-Banchero.

They have benefited over and over from really awful picks just above them, it’s gonna happen again this year.

That would make sense. The only caveat is they desperately need shooting, which means they might take Hendricks instead at #6…

[joshuacf]

Maybe? What is Portland going to do with that pick? Who else are they going to go out and get to make them competitive? Scoot/Miller aren’t changing anything with that roster.

Teams overpay for “star” players all the time. Especially when they have pressure from the aging face of the franchise.

Didn’t a 34 year old Durant just got for Bridges+Johnson and four unprotected 1st round picks?

30 year old Gobert went for 4 first round picks, a pick swap, and Vanderbilt, Beasley, and Kessler.

Grant and Simons are just filler. It’s Beal for 3rd overall.

Yeah, and the Gobert trade is aging super well. The Blazers are not giving up the 3rd pick for the privilege of swapping a:

23-year-old 21ppg scorer making 24 million.
29-year-old 23ppg scorer making 47 million.

Simons is just simply not filler.

First off, welcome joshuacf. Always great to add someone new to this active Board.

Simons may not be filler, but he isn't very good. Yet, he's lined up to make $24m next year, & is guaranteed for 3 more years overall. Like Brad, he's overpaid.

I still find it hard to imagine Portland acquiring Brad. They're in need of a total rebuild. Adding Beal to Lillard just makes the process to difficult.

Thank you!

I agree that I can't see Portland thinking a Dame/Beal led team is going anywhere. I think it would be more likely that we could sell them on Zingus and #8 for Nurkic, #3, and filler. Nurkic is declining and maybe Portland thinks that Dame, Simons, Grant, and Zingus is enough to be a decent playoff team

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I have seen this trade on twitter and, per the Fanspo app works cap wise. Draft night and assuming Scoot Henderson drops to #3:

WAS trades Beal + #8 to POR for Simmons + Little + #3
POR trades Simmons + Little + #3 for Beal + #8

Thoughts?

Anfernee Simons

Simmons might be worse than Beal contractually.

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[tleikheen]

The draft pick should be used as an incentive to get rid of Beal. You won't get equal value but you'll be free of the "contract". Ideally you get a PG back . Anfernee Simons would be ideal ,a PG who's been playing as an undersize SG because your not replacing Dame there. Choice becomes do you trade Lilliard finally and pass the torch to Simons as the new PG and last yrs pick Shaedon Sharpe becoming the new SG and draft Brandon Miller #3 OR trade Simons to bring a player like Beal to play alongside Lilliard.
Ive advocated at least 3 times for Simons would to be the target in exchange for Beal.

SG Beal , for PG Simons , SF Jerami Grant ,# 23 pick

[TGW]

Yeah, and the Gobert trade is aging super well. The Blazers are not giving up the 3rd pick for the privilege of swapping a:

23-year-old 21ppg scorer making 24 million.
29-year-old 23ppg scorer making 47 million.

Simons is just simply not filler.

First off, welcome joshuacf. Always great to add someone new to this active Board.

Simons may not be filler, but he isn't very good. Yet, he's lined up to make $24m next year, & is guaranteed for 3 more years overall. Like Brad, he's overpaid.

I still find it hard to imagine Portland acquiring Brad. They're in need of a total rebuild. Adding Beal to Lillard just makes the process to difficult.

Thank you!

I agree that I can't see Portland thinking a Dame/Beal led team is going anywhere. I think it would be more likely that we could sell them on Zingus and #8 for Nurkic, #3, and filler. Nurkic is declining and maybe Portland thinks that Dame, Simons, Grant, and Zingus is enough to be a decent playoff team

I was playing around with this idea as well. Zinger and #8 for Nurkic, #3, filler

[dckingsfan]

Is there a trade to be had with Dallas? I am thinking:

Dallas: S&T with Irving + filler plus first round pick
Washington: Beal

The deal could be expanded.

[tleikheen]

Simons may not be filler, but he isn't very good. Yet, he's lined up to make $24m next year, & is guaranteed for 3 more years overall. Like Brad, he's overpaid.

This is clueless and uninformed. Simons is only 23 ,a former slam dunk champ already ,meaning he can jump out of the gym . Plus he's shooting 39 percent on his last 1004 3P attempts. (the last 2 yrs) making 391 ). Ja Morant is also 23 and in the last 2 yrs has shot 32 percent on 556 3P att (180 made).
Simons is a natural PG who plays SG because Dame is the PG , When Dame misses games and Simons is running the team his scoring avg jumps up over 25 ppg where Ja Morants avg is .
Everybody loves Ja skying for slamdunks but Simons the same age is already a slam dunk champion.

[Kanyewest]

Simons may not be filler, but he isn't very good. Yet, he's lined up to make $24m next year, & is guaranteed for 3 more years overall. Like Brad, he's overpaid.

This is clueless and uninformed. Simons is only 23 ,a former slam dunk champ already ,meaning he can jump out of the gym . Plus he's shooting 39 percent on his last 1004 3P attempts. (the last 2 yrs) making 391 ). Ja Morant is also 23 and in the last 2 yrs has shot 32 percent on 556 3P att (180 made).
Simons is a natural PG who plays SG because Dame is the PG , When Dame misses games and Simons is running the team his scoring avg jumps up over 25 ppg where Ja Morants avg is .
Everybody loves Ja skying for slamdunks but Simons the same age is already a slam dunk champion.

Now I'm imagining Ja Morant negotiating his way out of a bigger suspension by participating in the slam dunk contest.

[joshuacf]

Is there a trade to be had with Dallas? I am thinking:

Dallas: S&T with Irving + filler plus first round pick
Washington: Beal

The deal could be expanded.

I can't imagine the Mavs want Beal over Irving, let alone adding a FRP.

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Simons may not be filler, but he isn't very good. Yet, he's lined up to make $24m next year, & is guaranteed for 3 more years overall. Like Brad, he's overpaid.

This is clueless and uninformed...

You know, now that I think of it, you may be right.
After all, who is more familiar with "clueless and uninformed" than you.

Simons is only 23 ,a former slam dunk champ already ,meaning he can jump out of the gym ....

Dude! How much help can a guy be if he's not in the gym?

Then again, having won the slam dunk contest, maybe he'll be as good as Harold Miner, Isaiah Rider, Desmond Mason, Fred Jones, Nate Robinson, Gerald Green, Jeremy Evans, Glenn Robinson III, or Derrick Jones Jr. Right?

Plus he's shooting 39 percent on his last 1004 3P attempts.

Not only that but his career 3-pt % is almost as good as Monte Morris. Not quite, but, you know, right up there -- really close.

...Ja Morant is also 23 and in the last 2 yrs has shot 32 percent on 556 3P att (180 made).... Everybody loves Ja skying for slamdunks but Simons the same age is already a slam dunk champion.

Oh absolutely! I mean no one would put Ja Morant way up there with Anfernee Simons as an NBA player.

Right?

...Simons is a natural PG ....

For sure! Only a fool would be misled by the fact that on his career Anfernee Simons has averaged 4.16 assists per 40 minutes.

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In fairness I should mention that, as tleikheen points out, Simons is still only 23 years old (turns 24 in 3+ weeks); obviously, he may still develop, maybe even a lot. &, yeah, even if he runs hot & cold, he does have the ability to score the ball.

The problem is that the development is a possibility not a certainty, yet he's already being paid big dollars -- he'll earn $24m next season, $26m the following season, & $28m in 2025-26, & all those dollars are guaranteed.

[AFM]

In fairness I should mention that, as tleikheen points out, Simons is still only 23 years old (turns 24 in 3+ weeks); obviously, he may still develop, maybe even a lot. &, yeah, even if he runs hot & cold, he does have the ability to score the ball.

The problem is that the development is a possibility not a certainty, yet he's already being paid big dollars -- he'll earn $24m next season, $26m the following season, & $28m in 2025-26, & all those dollars are guaranteed.

Man, you love going in on tleikheen. All I will say PIF is that this board is very small, and it won't get bigger. New generation has never heard of a message board. Just be nice, OK?

[joshuacf]

If we aren't blowing it up I like a move for John Collins. I know a Collins/Kuzma S&T has been floated a lot on here but to me that's treading water.

I saw something on T&T where we give up Deni and Johnny and get Collins in a multi-team deal. While I'd prefer to not give up both (and maybe we could find a way to keep Johnny and give up 2nds), doing so would alleviate the logjam we have at wing and make it a lot easier to take BPA at #8. After resigning Kuzma/ZIngus we'd have a lineup of Morris/Beal/Kuzma/Collins/Zingus which could be a 4-8 playoff team. We would probably need a backup PG in FA unless we drafted one.

Collins is a great buy-low candidate for me. A change of scenery could be just what he needs and a full offseason should be able to help fix that nasty finger issue.