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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#41 » by Yallbecrazy » Thu May 18, 2023 3:42 am

I hate to keep screaming about Podz, but in that scrimmage he was the best player on the floor by quite a bit ( which he was supposed to be as not many first rounders participated). Always in control, being active on defense with a couple steals, a bunch of offensive and defensive rebounds, 8 assists, and 0 turnovers. I also think he's a perfect fit for our team style wise. He adds passing, shooting, rebounding, and he's a really smart vocal defender like old Kyle Lowry. He's not quick, but he utilized the swipe down a couple times when outsized in the post to distract the shooter and got incorrectly called for a foul once when the bigger guy almost airballed his post fadeaway over him.

He stuffs the sheet in so many ways, adds spacing, and has an incredible bbiq, and always plays in control / with poise. I'm leaning to putting him in my top 3 college players behind Cason Wallace and Brandon Miller. He's probably ahead of Dick for me at this point once he showed that he's actually a NBA level athlete with his testing numbers.

I feel as though I don't have a good grasp on the Ignite guys: Scoot, Cidy, and Leonard Miller as there aren't comparables.
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Post#42 » by Psubs » Thu May 18, 2023 3:52 am

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PhilBlackson wrote:Been saying I’m good with either of Bilal or Sidy.

They look like they have the best upside of the bunch in our range.


Watching about 30 or so mins of his film session on Bilal he lacks a few things that scare me....Just like the concerns are with OG...

He lacks any handles, Can't create for himself off the dribble, Has little to no Mid range game, Attacks the rim alot with power but misses alot of easy layups he should make in traffic when contested, He either hits the 3 or Misses it badly, A few times i seen him try and make a dribble move into a jumpshot where he totally air balls it...Really slow release...In the NBA defenders will swarm you so if you take your time being slow on your 3 point spot ups it will be tough to get the shot off clean.

Good things he does, Defensive upside is his number 1 , Good athlete, Competes hard, Good in transition....

I don't see where he ever develops a great offensive game where you can put the ball in his hand and he can create for you...

Just for me at 13 way too many holes in his game where i could see him being a bust than some of the guys there at 13.

The one thing that stands out the most i was shocked by was the misses at the rim....Since his jumpshot isn't the smoothest i would like for him to finish at the rim alot more but in the film sessions way too many time i watched him miss bunnys at the rim, Either getting lobs at the rim and putting it short or missing layups off drives...


Does playing with Wemby help out Bilal a lot? Like JHS playing with TJD?
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#43 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu May 18, 2023 3:58 am

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PhilBlackson wrote:Been saying I’m good with either of Bilal or Sidy.

They look like they have the best upside of the bunch in our range.


Watching about 30 or so mins of his film session on Bilal he lacks a few things that scare me....Just like the concerns are with OG...

He lacks any handles, Can't create for himself off the dribble, Has little to no Mid range game, Attacks the rim alot with power but misses alot of easy layups he should make in traffic when contested, He either hits the 3 or Misses it badly, A few times i seen him try and make a dribble move into a jumpshot where he totally air balls it...Really slow release...In the NBA defenders will swarm you so if you take your time being slow on your 3 point spot ups it will be tough to get the shot off clean.

Good things he does, Defensive upside is his number 1 , Good athlete, Competes hard, Good in transition....

I don't see where he ever develops a great offensive game where you can put the ball in his hand and he can create for you...

Just for me at 13 way too many holes in his game where i could see him being a bust than some of the guys there at 13.

The one thing that stands out the most i was shocked by was the misses at the rim....Since his jumpshot isn't the smoothest i would like for him to finish at the rim alot more but in the film sessions way too many time i watched him miss bunnys at the rim, Either getting lobs at the rim and putting it short or missing layups off drives...


Does playing with Wemby help out Bilal a lot? Like JHS playing with TJD?


It doesn't hurt him but to be fair to Bilal in the video he has some eye poppin plays as well where you see flashes of special plays ....If its a eye poppin dunk in transition or a step through layup with tough degree finish....I can see where the people that like him alot at 13 see them play and say wow thats special....But also if you see the bad plays from him you scratch your head...

Its really a boom/bust type pick....Only thing i could say is if Masai really wants Bilal bad you would have to trade OG for a package and hopefully get another pick to grab Bilal cause there is NO way you could put Bilal/OG/Barnes on the court at the same time and be a competent offensive team in todays NBA.

Either OG would have to be moved and Bilal Replace OG or you draft a guy like Bufkin who can fit in with the team more....
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#44 » by Rapsfan07 » Thu May 18, 2023 4:03 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:I hate to keep screaming about Podz, but in that scrimmage he was the best player on the floor by quite a bit ( which he was supposed to be as not many first rounders participated). Always in control, being active on defense with a couple steals, a bunch of offensive and defensive rebounds, 8 assists, and 0 turnovers. I also think he's a perfect fit for our team style wise. He adds passing, shooting, rebounding, and he's a really smart vocal defender like old Kyle Lowry. He's not quick, but he utilized the swipe down a couple times when outsized in the post to distract the shooter and got incorrectly called for a foul once when the bigger guy almost airballed his post fadeaway over him.

He stuffs the sheet in so many ways, adds spacing, and has an incredible bbiq, and always plays in control / with poise. I'm leaning to putting him in my top 3 college players behind Cason Wallace and Brandon Miller. He's probably ahead of Dick for me at this point once he showed that he's actually a NBA level athlete with his testing numbers.

I feel as though I don't have a good grasp on the Ignite guys: Scoot, Cidy, and Leonard Miller as there aren't comparables.


Podz is definitely on my preferred list. Not sure where he goes in this draft though. His stock is a tough one to gauge. Ideally he'd be available in thr 20s but that's far from a sure thing anymore.
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Post#45 » by C_Money » Thu May 18, 2023 4:14 am

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PhilBlackson wrote:Bring Bilal home


Call me crazy, but I feel like Bilal has a chance to be better than Scoot in 5 years. I'd rather take Bilal and I'm glad we're picking 13th.


I like Bilal as a prospect if we didn't already have Barnes/OG who both play the same position and will not be moving to the bench any time soon for this guy to take their spots...

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As good as he looks in highlight videos just watch a bit of this and you will realize how raw he really is on the offensive end....Lots to like but there is also a chance he is a bust...

Better than Scoot who shows flashes of a franchise PG is a big stretch lol.


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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#47 » by grant101 » Thu May 18, 2023 4:24 am

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Watching about 30 or so mins of his film session on Bilal he lacks a few things that scare me....Just like the concerns are with OG...

He lacks any handles, Can't create for himself off the dribble, Has little to no Mid range game, Attacks the rim alot with power but misses alot of easy layups he should make in traffic when contested, He either hits the 3 or Misses it badly, A few times i seen him try and make a dribble move into a jumpshot where he totally air balls it...Really slow release...In the NBA defenders will swarm you so if you take your time being slow on your 3 point spot ups it will be tough to get the shot off clean.

Good things he does, Defensive upside is his number 1 , Good athlete, Competes hard, Good in transition....

I don't see where he ever develops a great offensive game where you can put the ball in his hand and he can create for you...

Just for me at 13 way too many holes in his game where i could see him being a bust than some of the guys there at 13.

The one thing that stands out the most i was shocked by was the misses at the rim....Since his jumpshot isn't the smoothest i would like for him to finish at the rim alot more but in the film sessions way too many time i watched him miss bunnys at the rim, Either getting lobs at the rim and putting it short or missing layups off drives...


Does playing with Wemby help out Bilal a lot? Like JHS playing with TJD?


It doesn't hurt him but to be fair to Bilal in the video he has some eye poppin plays as well where you see flashes of special plays ....If its a eye poppin dunk in transition or a step through layup with tough degree finish....I can see where the people that like him alot at 13 see them play and say wow thats special....But also if you see the bad plays from him you scratch your head...

Its really a boom/bust type pick....Only thing i could say is if Masai really wants Bilal bad you would have to trade OG for a package and hopefully get another pick to grab Bilal cause there is NO way you could put Bilal/OG/Barnes on the court at the same time and be a competent offensive team in todays NBA.

Either OG would have to be moved and Bilal Replace OG or you draft a guy like Bufkin who can fit in with the team more....


If you draft Bilal, you don't do so with the expectation that he contributes next year. You do so so that he and scottie can grow together for the next 5+ years. If you believe in the potential and think he can reach it, who cares if he can't crack the rotation and spends time with the 905. This roster is going to look radically different in 2 years time.

There are still rough edges there as you mention (though I disagree with some of your conclusions - the offense is a lot further along than your characterization IMO), and it's going to take time for him to get stronger, get his reps in and adjust to the NBA... but you just can't teach movement, athleticism, length and instinct that Bilal has. Plus, like you mention, his defense is good, with the potential to be special - I think this will get him on the floor while the rest of his game comes along.

I go back to my TMac comparison. His first year in the league was ROUGH, with many calling him a bust. I think we can expect the same with Bilal (I'm not saying Bilal is the next Tmac, just that I imagine their development trajectories to be similar
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#48 » by Dalek » Thu May 18, 2023 4:38 am

Yallbecrazy wrote:I hate to keep screaming about Podz, but in that scrimmage he was the best player on the floor by quite a bit ( which he was supposed to be as not many first rounders participated). Always in control, being active on defense with a couple steals, a bunch of offensive and defensive rebounds, 8 assists, and 0 turnovers. I also think he's a perfect fit for our team style wise. He adds passing, shooting, rebounding, and he's a really smart vocal defender like old Kyle Lowry. He's not quick, but he utilized the swipe down a couple times when outsized in the post to distract the shooter and got incorrectly called for a foul once when the bigger guy almost airballed his post fadeaway over him.

He stuffs the sheet in so many ways, adds spacing, and has an incredible bbiq, and always plays in control / with poise. I'm leaning to putting him in my top 3 college players behind Cason Wallace and Brandon Miller. He's probably ahead of Dick for me at this point once he showed that he's actually a NBA level athlete with his testing numbers.

I feel as though I don't have a good grasp on the Ignite guys: Scoot, Cidy, and Leonard Miller as there aren't comparables.


He does so many good things like you say but he lacks positional size as a SG and lacks quickness or physical dominance to be a 1. You can't compare with KLow because he has unreal strength but I guess being vocal on defense is something.

In a lot of his film he seems to relies on floaters rather than rim attacks. I feel like I am watching Donte Divincenzo watching him which I think is a bench guard not a starter.

What do you think he needs to become an NBA starter and where do you play him?
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Post#49 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu May 18, 2023 4:44 am

grant101 wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
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Does playing with Wemby help out Bilal a lot? Like JHS playing with TJD?


It doesn't hurt him but to be fair to Bilal in the video he has some eye poppin plays as well where you see flashes of special plays ....If its a eye poppin dunk in transition or a step through layup with tough degree finish....I can see where the people that like him alot at 13 see them play and say wow thats special....But also if you see the bad plays from him you scratch your head...

Its really a boom/bust type pick....Only thing i could say is if Masai really wants Bilal bad you would have to trade OG for a package and hopefully get another pick to grab Bilal cause there is NO way you could put Bilal/OG/Barnes on the court at the same time and be a competent offensive team in todays NBA.

Either OG would have to be moved and Bilal Replace OG or you draft a guy like Bufkin who can fit in with the team more....


If you draft Bilal, you don't do so with the expectation that he contributes next year. You do so so that he and scottie can grow together for the next 5+ years. If you believe in the potential and think he can reach it, who cares if he can't crack the rotation and spends time with the 905. This roster is going to look radically different in 2 years time.

There are still rough edges there as you mention (though I disagree with some of your conclusions - the offense is a lot further along than your characterization IMO), and it's going to take time for him to get stronger, get his reps in and adjust to the NBA... but you just can't teach movement, athleticism, length and instinct that Bilal has. Plus, like you mention, his defense is good, with the potential to be special - I think this will get him on the floor while the rest of his game comes along.

I go back to my TMac comparison. His first year in the league was ROUGH, with many calling him a bust. I think we can expect the same with Bilal (I'm not saying Bilal is the next Tmac, just that I imagine their development trajectories to be similar


Imo Bilal ceiling to me is OG Anunoby....Thats why i hesitate at 13 to pick him....Especially we have no need for another Raw offensive player....Well you can disagree but i just watched about an hour of his film session now and what i said is pretty accurate...He has problems dribbling the basketball and can't shoot off the dribble....He has a spotty spot up 3 pt shot where hes hit or miss, Slow release....Does not finish at the rim as well as id like for his body/athletic ability....Struggles when he tries to make a layup when a defender is there....

If we trade OG for a guard to balance the team i could see the pick making sense....But you forget that next year we do not have a draft pick so yes we do need the pick to hit and contribute next year...We are a lottery team this year and we might lose GTJR/FVV For nothing this offseason...With no draft pick next year we are forced to compete...

TMac was a lottery pick out of highschool lol...He had a way more polished all around game when he entered the league...Bilal is a 20-30th pick atm....I think he has upside but i do not see a superstar in his game cause of his lack of shot creation/handles...

I see an OG level player though at his peak which is still good...
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Post#50 » by Ell Curry » Thu May 18, 2023 4:45 am

I assume BKN would move 21 and 22 for 13, if Masai loves a project wing like Klintman and likes Podz or Sasser as a guard who can be the backup for Trent and Van Vleet (if we move down I think we keep Trent).
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#51 » by Dalek » Thu May 18, 2023 4:57 am

raptor jesus wrote:I'm kinda scratching my head at how Nick Smith Jr was ever considered a potential top 5 pick at one point, as Givony stated. I get that he was dealing with injuries in college, so I can partly excuse his abysmal numbers there; but even looking at his high school tape, he's looks kinda small, not very athletic, and not especially skilled. He kinda looks like a dime-a-dozen bench combo guard to me, and that's if he can find a shot.


Honestly he just works hard and has a star energy to him. He is about 6'5 with a plus 5 wingspan so he really can play the 1 or 2. He also showed comfortability playing off ball and can be a real three level threat as a scorer.

In high-school he could run in the open court and he has nice speed in transition where he could attack the basket more. He basically has a similar Ja Morant vibe without the wild vertically.

Arkansas was a mess. Three different injuries and playing with two other guards made for a weird setup when he did actually play. He did have flashes of 20 point games so you know he is capable.

I also like his mental make up because he came back to play at Arkansas when he could have written off the season and got an easy lottery pick. He got exposed to a certain extent when he didn't contribute to winning.

My main concern is the slight frame and knee issues. Not good to see this so early. But if he gets healthy I think we will see a six man ala Jordan Clarkson.
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Post#52 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Thu May 18, 2023 4:59 am

grant101 wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
Psubs wrote:
Does playing with Wemby help out Bilal a lot? Like JHS playing with TJD?


It doesn't hurt him but to be fair to Bilal in the video he has some eye poppin plays as well where you see flashes of special plays ....If its a eye poppin dunk in transition or a step through layup with tough degree finish....I can see where the people that like him alot at 13 see them play and say wow thats special....But also if you see the bad plays from him you scratch your head...

Its really a boom/bust type pick....Only thing i could say is if Masai really wants Bilal bad you would have to trade OG for a package and hopefully get another pick to grab Bilal cause there is NO way you could put Bilal/OG/Barnes on the court at the same time and be a competent offensive team in todays NBA.

Either OG would have to be moved and Bilal Replace OG or you draft a guy like Bufkin who can fit in with the team more....


If you draft Bilal, you don't do so with the expectation that he contributes next year. You do so so that he and scottie can grow together for the next 5+ years. If you believe in the potential and think he can reach it, who cares if he can't crack the rotation and spends time with the 905. This roster is going to look radically different in 2 years time.

There are still rough edges there as you mention (though I disagree with some of your conclusions - the offense is a lot further along than your characterization IMO), and it's going to take time for him to get stronger, get his reps in and adjust to the NBA... but you just can't teach movement, athleticism, length and instinct that Bilal has. Plus, like you mention, his defense is good, with the potential to be special - I think this will get him on the floor while the rest of his game comes along.

I go back to my TMac comparison. His first year in the league was ROUGH, with many calling him a bust. I think we can expect the same with Bilal (I'm not saying Bilal is the next Tmac, just that I imagine their development trajectories to be similar


Honestly Bilal needs another year in France and then two years in the g-league before he ever sees an NBA bench. When you talk about that much development needing to happen it's probably not wise to go for that at 13 overall.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#53 » by Dalek » Thu May 18, 2023 5:05 am

Ell Curry wrote:I assume BKN would move 21 and 22 for 13, if Masai loves a project wing like Klintman and likes Podz or Sasser as a guard who can be the backup for Trent and Van Vleet (if we move down I think we keep Trent).


Yup. I mentioned this before. They apparently love Rupert - who idolizes Mikal Bridges - so I think we could make a deal with them draft day. Draft Rupert and trade him for the two picks.

Toronto could get crazy and pick Bilal and Sidy or a fun combo like Bona and Bailey for Rico's runs.
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Post#54 » by gbball » Thu May 18, 2023 5:08 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:
grant101 wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
It doesn't hurt him but to be fair to Bilal in the video he has some eye poppin plays as well where you see flashes of special plays ....If its a eye poppin dunk in transition or a step through layup with tough degree finish....I can see where the people that like him alot at 13 see them play and say wow thats special....But also if you see the bad plays from him you scratch your head...

Its really a boom/bust type pick....Only thing i could say is if Masai really wants Bilal bad you would have to trade OG for a package and hopefully get another pick to grab Bilal cause there is NO way you could put Bilal/OG/Barnes on the court at the same time and be a competent offensive team in todays NBA.

Either OG would have to be moved and Bilal Replace OG or you draft a guy like Bufkin who can fit in with the team more....


If you draft Bilal, you don't do so with the expectation that he contributes next year. You do so so that he and scottie can grow together for the next 5+ years. If you believe in the potential and think he can reach it, who cares if he can't crack the rotation and spends time with the 905. This roster is going to look radically different in 2 years time.

There are still rough edges there as you mention (though I disagree with some of your conclusions - the offense is a lot further along than your characterization IMO), and it's going to take time for him to get stronger, get his reps in and adjust to the NBA... but you just can't teach movement, athleticism, length and instinct that Bilal has. Plus, like you mention, his defense is good, with the potential to be special - I think this will get him on the floor while the rest of his game comes along.

I go back to my TMac comparison. His first year in the league was ROUGH, with many calling him a bust. I think we can expect the same with Bilal (I'm not saying Bilal is the next Tmac, just that I imagine their development trajectories to be similar


Imo Bilal ceiling to me is OG Anunoby....Thats why i hesitate at 13 to pick him....Especially we have no need for another Raw offensive player....Well you can disagree but i just watched about an hour of his film session now and what i said is pretty accurate...He has problems dribbling the basketball and can't shoot off the dribble....He has a spotty spot up 3 pt shot where hes hit or miss, Slow release....Does not finish at the rim as well as id like for his body/athletic ability....Struggles when he tries to make a layup when a defender is there....

If we trade OG for a guard to balance the team i could see the pick making sense....But you forget that next year we do not have a draft pick so yes we do need the pick to hit and contribute next year...We are a lottery team this year and we might lose GTJR/FVV For nothing this offseason...With no draft pick next year we are forced to compete...

TMac was a lottery pick out of highschool lol...He had a way more polished all around game when he entered the league...Bilal is a 20-30th pick atm....I think he has upside but i do not see a superstar in his game cause of his lack of shot creation/handles...

I see an OG level player though at his peak which is still good...


Bilal reminds me a lot of OG too, but his dribbling, movement and balance look way way better and he looks like a better overall athlete. He was a 5'11 pg until he was 16 so he came up as a guard.

I think you could watch that video and come away more entrenched one way or the other. I'm really impressed by his speed, tenacity and confidence. He's raw, yes, but he's only 18. He's lightyears ahead of where OG was at the same stage.

I see a rich man's OG...and I think OG still has another level he can reach too. Give me two of those guys manning the 2/3 any day of the week.
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Post#56 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu May 18, 2023 6:01 am

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Idk i think its possible hes there....I think for us it will come down to Bufkin/George i think one of them will be there at 13 and for me i like both.
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Post#57 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu May 18, 2023 6:06 am

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If you draft Bilal, you don't do so with the expectation that he contributes next year. You do so so that he and scottie can grow together for the next 5+ years. If you believe in the potential and think he can reach it, who cares if he can't crack the rotation and spends time with the 905. This roster is going to look radically different in 2 years time.

There are still rough edges there as you mention (though I disagree with some of your conclusions - the offense is a lot further along than your characterization IMO), and it's going to take time for him to get stronger, get his reps in and adjust to the NBA... but you just can't teach movement, athleticism, length and instinct that Bilal has. Plus, like you mention, his defense is good, with the potential to be special - I think this will get him on the floor while the rest of his game comes along.

I go back to my TMac comparison. His first year in the league was ROUGH, with many calling him a bust. I think we can expect the same with Bilal (I'm not saying Bilal is the next Tmac, just that I imagine their development trajectories to be similar


Imo Bilal ceiling to me is OG Anunoby....Thats why i hesitate at 13 to pick him....Especially we have no need for another Raw offensive player....Well you can disagree but i just watched about an hour of his film session now and what i said is pretty accurate...He has problems dribbling the basketball and can't shoot off the dribble....He has a spotty spot up 3 pt shot where hes hit or miss, Slow release....Does not finish at the rim as well as id like for his body/athletic ability....Struggles when he tries to make a layup when a defender is there....

If we trade OG for a guard to balance the team i could see the pick making sense....But you forget that next year we do not have a draft pick so yes we do need the pick to hit and contribute next year...We are a lottery team this year and we might lose GTJR/FVV For nothing this offseason...With no draft pick next year we are forced to compete...

TMac was a lottery pick out of highschool lol...He had a way more polished all around game when he entered the league...Bilal is a 20-30th pick atm....I think he has upside but i do not see a superstar in his game cause of his lack of shot creation/handles...

I see an OG level player though at his peak which is still good...


Bilal reminds me a lot of OG too, but his dribbling, movement and balance look way way better and he looks like a better overall athlete. He was a 5'11 pg until he was 16 so he came up as a guard.

I think you could watch that video and come away more entrenched one way or the other. I'm really impressed by his speed, tenacity and confidence. He's raw, yes, but he's only 18. He's lightyears ahead of where OG was at the same stage.

I see a rich man's OG...and I think OG still has another level he can reach too. Give me two of those guys manning the 2/3 any day of the week.


Yeah but hes along ways away from being a starter imo still too raw...If we had our draft pick next year id be fine developing him for a few years...But we cannot afford it....Only way id consider Bilal is if we traded OG for a few draft picks + a pick in this draft to select him later in the draft....At 13 its way too risky.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#58 » by Clutch0z24 » Thu May 18, 2023 6:23 am

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If you draft Bilal, you don't do so with the expectation that he contributes next year. You do so so that he and scottie can grow together for the next 5+ years. If you believe in the potential and think he can reach it, who cares if he can't crack the rotation and spends time with the 905. This roster is going to look radically different in 2 years time.

There are still rough edges there as you mention (though I disagree with some of your conclusions - the offense is a lot further along than your characterization IMO), and it's going to take time for him to get stronger, get his reps in and adjust to the NBA... but you just can't teach movement, athleticism, length and instinct that Bilal has. Plus, like you mention, his defense is good, with the potential to be special - I think this will get him on the floor while the rest of his game comes along.

I go back to my TMac comparison. His first year in the league was ROUGH, with many calling him a bust. I think we can expect the same with Bilal (I'm not saying Bilal is the next Tmac, just that I imagine their development trajectories to be similar


Imo Bilal ceiling to me is OG Anunoby....Thats why i hesitate at 13 to pick him....Especially we have no need for another Raw offensive player....Well you can disagree but i just watched about an hour of his film session now and what i said is pretty accurate...He has problems dribbling the basketball and can't shoot off the dribble....He has a spotty spot up 3 pt shot where hes hit or miss, Slow release....Does not finish at the rim as well as id like for his body/athletic ability....Struggles when he tries to make a layup when a defender is there....

If we trade OG for a guard to balance the team i could see the pick making sense....But you forget that next year we do not have a draft pick so yes we do need the pick to hit and contribute next year...We are a lottery team this year and we might lose GTJR/FVV For nothing this offseason...With no draft pick next year we are forced to compete...

TMac was a lottery pick out of highschool lol...He had a way more polished all around game when he entered the league...Bilal is a 20-30th pick atm....I think he has upside but i do not see a superstar in his game cause of his lack of shot creation/handles...

I see an OG level player though at his peak which is still good...


Bilal reminds me a lot of OG too, but his dribbling, movement and balance look way way better and he looks like a better overall athlete. He was a 5'11 pg until he was 16 so he came up as a guard.

I think you could watch that video and come away more entrenched one way or the other. I'm really impressed by his speed, tenacity and confidence. He's raw, yes, but he's only 18. He's lightyears ahead of where OG was at the same stage.

I see a rich man's OG...and I think OG still has another level he can reach too. Give me two of those guys manning the 2/3 any day of the week.


At some point we need different types of players to round out the roster....It sounds good to have 2 OGs on the team but when you put them both on the floor at the same time it defeats the purpose....Your basically doubling down on the things your already strong at and doubling down on the things your weak at ...

You need a balance....We need guard play the most atm...With Barnes/OG/Siakam already overlaping eachother imagine adding another one to the team....While potentially losing GTJR/FVV for nothing and having Flynn/Banton as guards....It would be a bad situation....I think we are forced to draft one of these guard prospects at 13.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#59 » by Grew » Thu May 18, 2023 6:33 am

Bilal looks like a more fluid version of Kuminga
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 5 

Post#60 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Thu May 18, 2023 6:39 am

Looking for a skilled player, and I found one: Nikola Djurisic. Dude can pass the ball at 6'8", and shoots it well with a quick release and form. Intriguing player.

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