Doc Rivers has been fired

[youngcrev]

I was thinking about that the other day. Embiid was anointed the chosen one before he even stepped foot on the court. He didn't have to work his way up the old fashioned way and earn respect and grind like others have to do. I think there is something gained from being drafted as "just another rookie" and having to earn your role and respect and I think it helps you develop killer instinct and develop a chip on your shoulder.

It may have something to do with Embiid's perceived inability to take anything seriously. From joking in press conferences, to always ending up out of shape.

Paragraph 1: nah, that's Ben Simmons you're describing. Embiid was anointed because he was incredibly impactful from the moment he stepped on the floor. And let's not forget all he went through to make that first step on the floor. He's also made improvements to his game every single year to the point that he's turned himself in the MVP of the league.

Paragraph 2, sure.

[Jailblazers7]

I think an issue for Embiid is that he was shielded for years from the kind of criticism he’s getting now, despite the fact he deserved it. He always had an injury or Ben Simmons shielding him from the fact that his decision making is awful under pressure. Dude straight up froze in big moments all series & he finally has to face it.

[NYSixersFan]

I listened to the Morey presser...made it sound like it's going to be an extensive search process...C'mon man...I'd be shocked if it's anyone but MDA

[Embiid P]

I think an issue for Embiid is that he was shielded for years from the kind of criticism he’s getting now, despite the fact he deserved it. He always had an injury or Ben Simmons shielding him from the fact that his decision making is awful under pressure. Dude straight up froze in big moments all series & he finally has to face it.

This is exactly what I've been saying. He had Simmons, Brown, Rivers, Horford, injuries etc. to shield him for years. Now he's finally facing the brunt of the criticism for this team for failing to advance past the second round for the 5th time in 6 years. The question is, assuming he doesn't get traded, how will he respond? Will he double down, hide in his shell a la Simmons, or finally realize that his current style of play isn't suitable for a long run in the playoffs and thus make the necessary changes to his game? I'm hoping the third and not one of the first two.

[rocketsfan100]

I listened to the Morey presser...made it sound like it's going to be an extensive search process...C'mon man...I'd be shocked if it's anyone but MDA

He has a history with Nick Nurse as well. Nick coached the Rockets affiliated G league team under Morey and they have a good relationship. I think MDA made sense if harden was staying but it seems he is returning to Houston after he will opt out and looking for more opportunities on offense according to Chris Haynes. The 76ers could do a lot worse than Nurse.

[Jay555]

I listened to the Morey presser...made it sound like it's going to be an extensive search process...C'mon man...I'd be shocked if it's anyone but MDA

He has a history with Nick Nurse as well. Nick coached the Rockets affiliated G league team under Morey and they have a good relationship. I think MDA made sense if harden was staying but it seems he is returning to Houston after he will opt out and looking for more opportunities on offense according to Chris Haynes. The 76ers could do a lot worse than Nurse.

Nah. I think Harden is staying.

[rocketsfan100]

I listened to the Morey presser...made it sound like it's going to be an extensive search process...C'mon man...I'd be shocked if it's anyone but MDA

He has a history with Nick Nurse as well. Nick coached the Rockets affiliated G league team under Morey and they have a good relationship. I think MDA made sense if harden was staying but it seems he is returning to Houston after he will opt out and looking for more opportunities on offense according to Chris Haynes. The 76ers could do a lot worse than Nurse.

Nah. I think Harden is staying.

I actually hope he does because I want to see him have playoffs success. In Houston he Will probably average more points but I just don’t see how the Rockets can field a competitive team

[Arsenal]

Yeah I'm not seeing where Houston meets the "competitive team" part of what Harden supposedly wants. My current assumption is he'll be back and they'll try to adjust the offense to let him cook more.

[Jay555]

He has a history with Nick Nurse as well. Nick coached the Rockets affiliated G league team under Morey and they have a good relationship. I think MDA made sense if harden was staying but it seems he is returning to Houston after he will opt out and looking for more opportunities on offense according to Chris Haynes. The 76ers could do a lot worse than Nurse.

Nah. I think Harden is staying.

I actually hope he does because I want to see him have playoffs success. In Houston he Will probably average more points but I just don’t see how the Rockets can field a competitive team

Depends on what he wants. They may be a first rounder lol. That’s nowhere near competitive.

[mjkvol]

Doc Rivers' dismissal is another example of the absurdity with which most organizations view the head-coaching position.

https://theathletic.com/4525649/2023/05/17/doc-rivers-fired-76ers-nba-coaching-carousel/?source=fbhq&fbclid=IwAR3M8PwCfZX3DKv_VghTCG9uCqvr69w1oaSFnleBP7s0ahXnmPw6nYYSkkw

I have to be honest - I generally respect most of your viewpoints and the amount of thought you put into them, but your credibility takes a huge hit if you seriously believe that Doc Rivers should not have been fired after yet another playoff meltdown.

You can always point to player performance as reasons for playoff losses, but there's usually an underlying reason that productive players underperform in playoff series, and a coach's scheme, ability to adjust, and flexibility often has a lot to do with it.

As was said here, Bud won a title, and Monty got to a Final, and they were fired. Rivers, especially given his historical track record, is the one that shouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

[Jay555]

Doc Rivers' dismissal is another example of the absurdity with which most organizations view the head-coaching position.

https://theathletic.com/4525649/2023/05/17/doc-rivers-fired-76ers-nba-coaching-carousel/?source=fbhq&fbclid=IwAR3M8PwCfZX3DKv_VghTCG9uCqvr69w1oaSFnleBP7s0ahXnmPw6nYYSkkw

I have to be honest - I generally respect most of your viewpoints and the amount of thought you put into them, but your credibility takes a huge hit if you seriously believe that Doc Rivers should not have been fired after yet another playoff meltdown.

You can always point to player performance as reasons for playoff losses, but there's usually an underlying reason that productive players underperform in playoff series, and a coach's scheme, ability to adjust, and flexibility often has a lot to do with it.

As was said here, Bud won a title, and Monty got to a Final, and they were fired. Rivers, especially given his historical track record, is the one that shouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

I agree. Just ask all the clipper fans about Doc.

They had Kawhi Leonard and Paul George healthy, up 3-1 against Denver, yet Doc found a way to lose that series.

I am sure no one here would say Kawhi is a choker lol. Paul George could be one I do not know. But with Ty Lue, they went to the Western conference final the following year without Kawhi..

How many years had Doc been in LA? Did he ever make it to the Western conference final? Ty Lue did it in his first try lol, without Kawhi Leonard..

The number of 3-1/3-2 leads Doc blew is not coincidence. It speaks volumes about his lack of adjustments when things get tough. You can point your points to your stars being chokers but what have you actually done to put them in a position to succeed?

[76ciology]

Doc Rivers' dismissal is another example of the absurdity with which most organizations view the head-coaching position.

https://theathletic.com/4525649/2023/05/17/doc-rivers-fired-76ers-nba-coaching-carousel/?source=fbhq&fbclid=IwAR3M8PwCfZX3DKv_VghTCG9uCqvr69w1oaSFnleBP7s0ahXnmPw6nYYSkkw

I have to be honest - I generally respect most of your viewpoints and the amount of thought you put into them, but your credibility takes a huge hit if you seriously believe that Doc Rivers should not have been fired after yet another playoff meltdown.

You can always point to player performance as reasons for playoff losses, but there's usually an underlying reason that productive players underperform in playoff series, and a coach's scheme, ability to adjust, and flexibility often has a lot to do with it.

As was said here, Bud won a title, and Monty got to a Final, and they were fired. Rivers, especially given his historical track record, is the one that shouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

No problem if we disagree. Actually i like it more because I can see different view points. And I know we both can stay amicable despite of it.

But I’ll continue to speak whats on my mind.

[Mik317]

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[Jay555]

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With Spo, we won this series.

[Negrodamus]

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Was just coming here to post it. I think it's more scathing of Doc than it needs to be, but it's not a coincidence that he blows it in the playoffs so often. Can't always be the players, particularly when you have TMac, Garnett, Allen, Pierce, Rondo, CP3, Blake, Kawhi, George, Embiid, Harden....

[76ciology]

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With Spo, we won this series.

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We’d win the series if Drew Hanlen is coaching but with Jokic at C.

[Jay555]

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With Spo, we won this series.

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We’d win the series if Drew Hanlen is coaching but with Jokic at C.

Nah. If we had Joker, Doc would still lose. See Kawhi and PG. It’s easy for Spo to say that. But it’s part of the business too. See Bucks/Suns. Their coaches achieved way more than Doc did with us and were still fired anyways.

[Zumramania]

Well it is disturbing for Spo because with Doc he could be sure the Sixers would get eliminated in the second round, now he'll have one more team to worry about.

[phillynative]

Doc overrelied on the Embiid/Harden P&R and Tobi , Maxey and Harden are too predictable offensively to just give them the ball in ISO.

Doc/Mental Midget stars and roster construct was the issue.

[VDT]

Is Rivers the best coach in the NBA? Probably no. However, people need to understand that there is only so much the coach can do. If your featured player is a center, this is suboptimal in today's NBA. IF that center a perennial underachiever in the playoffs it is even worse. If your team is soft, featuring mediocre offense no defense guys (Maxey, Harden, Harris), i.e. guys that should be on lottery teams scoring a lot of points there is not much you can do, other than hope to get lucky. Giannis is flawed, less than Embiid probably, but they were lucky enough to win due to other teams' injuries.

This year they were out in the first round. It is what it is. The Celtics are also flawed, its just that the Sixers are more. The Sixers have some talent (in basketball terms) but their main players are hard to fit in a (winning) system. The Heat have a system but the lack talent. The Celtics have the best balance but they lack an alpha. These are all teams with flaws, but the Sixers are the hardest to build a system around. They lack toughness, and players that will be good in a limited role. All Embiid, Harden, Harris and Maxey should be first options in bad to above average teams. None is a first option on a title team and none other than Embiid offers much beyond that.

It is hard to build around that and it is not on the coach. It is probably not on the GM either (in the short term), if your best player doesn't have it in him it is extremely hard to build a title team.