Head Coaching Candidates - Finalists Nurse/Atkinson/Griffin - Another New Poll Added

[SirChurros]

Too much mental gymnastics. They didn’t do this to find someone better than Bud. They did this to find someone different.

Except most of the coaches they have interviewed are downgrades from Bud. The only who you could classify as on the same Tier as Bud is Vogel. Everyone else is either a downgrade or an unproven assistant, and most assistants that go on to be head coaches fail at the job

Yep, this.

There’s a big difference between getting a different voice and different scheme vs. interviewing everyone under the sun.

They don’t have to find a coach better then Bud. But they sure as hell need to find a coach on Bud’s level.

[JayMKE]

I was hoping there was more logic to Bud getting fired than simply heads needing to roll after a series loss, like maybe they actually watched the series and thought "Bud struggles with XYZ during the playoffs and that's a strength of this accomplished former championship coach" rather than ohf***ohf***ohf***imnextplzdontfireme desperation from shipping boy Horst. Should get a real POBO then work our way down from there.

[JimmyTheKid]

From the countless "fire Bud" pleadings in the middle of our title run, to "every single coach we've interviewed or been linked to is a downgrade from Bud," I'd say the overall sentiment sure has changed in a couple short years.

[Daver]

Too much mental gymnastics. They didn’t do this to find someone better than Bud. They did this to find someone different.

Except most of the coaches they have interviewed are downgrades from Bud. The only who you could classify as on the same Tier as Bud is Vogel. Everyone else is either a downgrade or an unproven assistant, and most assistants that go on to be head coaches fail at the job

Yep, this.

There’s a big difference between getting a different voice and different scheme vs. interviewing everyone under the sun.

They don’t have to find a coach better then Bud. But they sure as hell need to find a coach on Bud’s level.

Please explain what you mean by downgrade define it please what are you basing it on. Regular season w/l 1 chip a average post season record 2 blown absolute meltdown PO series.
If thats the criteria there are 4 coaches that have that same resume.

[Daver]

Im sure the bucks will fund a HC like bud who can get absolutely out coached in 2 ECFs have his team not preoarws like ever in game 1 of the POs any of those coaches xan do that

[JayMKE]

From the countless "fire Bud" pleadings in the middle of our title run, to "every single coach we've interviewed or been linked to is a downgrade from Bud," I'd say the overall sentiment sure has changed in a couple short years.

Its apples to oranges contrasting the guys literally 90% of this board wanted Nurse or Lue(that's why this poll is bullsh*t) with our worst nightmare potential hirings Doc Rivers, Monty Williams, and Mark Jackson.

[JimmyTheKid]

From the countless "fire Bud" pleadings in the middle of our title run, to "every single coach we've interviewed or been linked to is a downgrade from Bud," I'd say the overall sentiment sure has changed in a couple short years.

Its apples to oranges contrasting the guys literally 90% of this board wanted Nurse or Lue(that's why this poll is bullsh*t) with our worst nightmare potential hirings Doc Rivers, Monty Williams, and Mark Jackson.

I don't personally watch enough *other* NBA basketball to have a firm grasp on which candidate will be the best guy to help Giannis get another ring. I didn't love (or hate) the Bud hire for the same reason I won't love or hate the next hire, as I simply didn't watch more than a handful of Atlanta Hawks basketball games. But to dismiss everyone we interview, and mock the process, because these candidates are somehow "less than Bud" due to "W/L record" seems lazy.

[MVP2110]

Except most of the coaches they have interviewed are downgrades from Bud. The only who you could classify as on the same Tier as Bud is Vogel. Everyone else is either a downgrade or an unproven assistant, and most assistants that go on to be head coaches fail at the job

Yep, this.

There’s a big difference between getting a different voice and different scheme vs. interviewing everyone under the sun.

They don’t have to find a coach better then Bud. But they sure as hell need to find a coach on Bud’s level.

Please explain what you mean by downgrade define it please what are you basing it on. Regular season w/l 1 chip a average post season record 2 blown absolute meltdown PO series.
If thats the criteria there are 4 coaches that have that same resume.

For one thing Bud has actually won a championship and the only coach you can say that about that we have interviewed is Vogel. The only other coach we've interviewed that has made a deep run is Scott Brooks who flamed out pretty badly in both OKC & Washington after fairly strong starts at both places. If Monty does actually end up being interviewed he'd go on this part of the list too but most would acknowledge that Bud outcoached him in the Finals and he got embarrassed b2b years in the playoffs, one of which was by a Jason Kidd coached team where the Suns were pretty big favorites

Atkinson, Borrego, & Jackson never made a deep playoff run so we have no idea if they can make playoff adjustments or not, and none of the 3 really overachieved with their squads(Atkinson did for 1 year with the Nets but his other 3 seasons were either right at expectations or below)

As for the assistants you can never really judge them from the outside so it's possible one is better than Bud ultimately but the percentages on that are pretty low as most assistants who go on to be head coaches fail.

[Rstuedes24]

Most ideal:
Ty Lue
Chris Quinn
Jordi Fernandez
Nick Nurse

Good but not great:
Kenny Atkinson
Frank Vogel

Not exciting, pass:
Charles Lee
James Borrego
Monty Williams
Adrian Griffin

Wtf are we thinking, why did they even get an interview:
Kelvin Sampson
Joseph Blair
Scott Brooks

Idek what to name this category it’s so bad:
Mark Jackson

[MVP2110]

Out of the assistants we've interviewed it seems most like Quinn, and I get that, but is it just because of Spo? It's pretty crazy that Spo has never had an assistant go on to be a good head coach so I'm starting to rethink my intrigue in him. Also I had no idea about Adrian Griffin's DV past so he's out imo. Bud has a really good coaching tree which would lend itself to Lee but that'd be weird to just promote Bud's top assistant. Young and Blair I know really nothing about but neither has an eye popping resume

[MickeyDavis]

We can interview coaches whose teams are still playing (Quinn) but can we actually hire someone while their team is still playing? Wondering if Quinn is the guy do we have to wait until the Heat's season is over.

[MVP2110]

We can interview coaches whose teams are still playing (Quinn) but can we actually hire someone while their team is still playing? Wondering if Quinn is the guy do we have to wait until the Heat's season is over.

Yes we'd have to wait for Miami's season to end

[Daver]

Yep, this.

There’s a big difference between getting a different voice and different scheme vs. interviewing everyone under the sun.

They don’t have to find a coach better then Bud. But they sure as hell need to find a coach on Bud’s level.

Please explain what you mean by downgrade define it please what are you basing it on. Regular season w/l 1 chip a average post season record 2 blown absolute meltdown PO series.
If thats the criteria there are 4 coaches that have that same resume.

For one thing Bud has actually won a championship and the only coach you can say that about that we have interviewed is Vogel. The only other coach we've interviewed that has made a deep run is Scott Brooks who flamed out pretty badly in both OKC & Washington after fairly strong starts at both places. If Monty does actually end up being interviewed he'd go on this part of the list too but most would acknowledge that Bud outcoached him in the Finals and he got embarrassed b2b years in the playoffs, one of which was by a Jason Kidd coached team where the Suns were pretty big favorites

Atkinson, Borrego, & Jackson never made a deep playoff run so we have no idea if they can make playoff adjustments or not, and none of the 3 really overachieved with their squads(Atkinson did for 1 year with the Nets but his other 3 seasons were either right at expectations or below)

As for the assistants you can never really judge them from the outside so it's possible one is better than Bud ultimately but the percentages on that are pretty low as most assistants who go on to be head coaches fail.

Ok fine hes won 1 chip now lets look at buds other resume shall we.
He has blown 3 #1 seeds in 5 years was bitch slapped n abused by nurse n the raps in 19 looked liked a deer in the headlights last year against boston with absolutely garbage rotation n adjustments through the whole series then this year epic curb stomping by the heat a #8 seed.Couldnt even have his ready to play in game 1.
Yep going to be really difficult to replace those qualities.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

We can interview coaches whose teams are still playing (Quinn) but can we actually hire someone while their team is still playing? Wondering if Quinn is the guy do we have to wait until the Heat's season is over.

Yes we'd have to wait for Miami's season to end

We would not have to wait.

Sacramento hired Mike Brown on May 3rd last year, while Golden State was still in the playoffs

[MickeyDavis]

We can interview coaches whose teams are still playing (Quinn) but can we actually hire someone while their team is still playing? Wondering if Quinn is the guy do we have to wait until the Heat's season is over.

Yes we'd have to wait for Miami's season to end

We would not have to wait.

Sacramento hired Mike Brown on May 3rd last year, while Golden State was still in the playoffs

Cool, I was trying to find an example and I missed this one.

It seems as if we are close to the point where there is a smaller list of "Finalists". Other than Lue maybe leaving there will be no other openings.

[MVP2110]

Please explain what you mean by downgrade define it please what are you basing it on. Regular season w/l 1 chip a average post season record 2 blown absolute meltdown PO series.
If thats the criteria there are 4 coaches that have that same resume.

For one thing Bud has actually won a championship and the only coach you can say that about that we have interviewed is Vogel. The only other coach we've interviewed that has made a deep run is Scott Brooks who flamed out pretty badly in both OKC & Washington after fairly strong starts at both places. If Monty does actually end up being interviewed he'd go on this part of the list too but most would acknowledge that Bud outcoached him in the Finals and he got embarrassed b2b years in the playoffs, one of which was by a Jason Kidd coached team where the Suns were pretty big favorites

Atkinson, Borrego, & Jackson never made a deep playoff run so we have no idea if they can make playoff adjustments or not, and none of the 3 really overachieved with their squads(Atkinson did for 1 year with the Nets but his other 3 seasons were either right at expectations or below)

As for the assistants you can never really judge them from the outside so it's possible one is better than Bud ultimately but the percentages on that are pretty low as most assistants who go on to be head coaches fail.

Ok fine hes won 1 chip now lets look at buds other resume shall we.
He has blown 3 #1 seeds in 5 years was bitch slapped n abused by nurse n the raps in 19 looked liked a deer in the headlights last year against boston with absolutely garbage rotation n adjustments through the whole series then this year epic curb stomping by the heat a #8 seed.Couldnt even have his ready to play in game 1.
Yep going to be really difficult to replace those qualities.

1 seeds don't matter anymore. I've pointed this out before but in recent memory the only 1 seed to win a title was the bubble Lakers where homecourt wasn't even a thing. Look at this year, there is a 7 & an 8 seed in the conference finals, seeding is meaningless.

For last years Celtics series I put that as a plus in the Bud category. Considering Khris missed the entire series, the fact we were able to take that to 7 games should be counted as an over achievement as opposed to an underachievement. I do agree Nurse outcoached Bud in 19 and Spo out coached him in 20 & 23. And if I got to hire Nurse or Spo I'd be all for that. But we are talking about coaches who have either had much less playoff success or never had the chance to show how they could do come playoff time. There are only a handful of truly elite playoff coaches and thinking we'll be able to randomly find one that hasn't already proven that capability feels like a long shot

[MVP2110]

Yes we'd have to wait for Miami's season to end

We would not have to wait.

Sacramento hired Mike Brown on May 3rd last year, while Golden State was still in the playoffs

Cool, I was trying to find an example and I missed this one.

It seems as if we are close to the point where there is a smaller list of "Finalists". Other than Lue maybe leaving there will be no other openings.

Mike Brown still coached in the Finals though, so yes I guess we could name Quinn as coach but he wouldn't actually take over until after Miami is done

[MickeyDavis]

We would not have to wait.

Sacramento hired Mike Brown on May 3rd last year, while Golden State was still in the playoffs

Cool, I was trying to find an example and I missed this one.

It seems as if we are close to the point where there is a smaller list of "Finalists". Other than Lue maybe leaving there will be no other openings.

Mike Brown still coached in the Finals though, so yes I guess we could name Quinn as coach but he wouldn't actually take over until after Miami is done

Yup. I was curious if there is any reason to wait if Quinn is the guy and there isn't.

[Dick Tate]

As for the assistants you can never really judge them from the outside so it's possible one is better than Bud ultimately but the percentages on that are pretty low as most assistants who go on to be head coaches fail.

The typical situation they are handed when they get the job (mid-season replacement on a **** team) would tend to skew the percentages,imo.
This is a good sitch.

[Frank Nova]

Getting a really bad feeling Coc Rivers is gonna be the next HC. Makes me sick to my stomach, I pray I’m wrong here. If we really fired Bud to hire the most overrated coach in the last 2+ decades in the league, I’ll personally fund the billboard to get Horst fired. That’ll be absolutely unforgivable…