2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[BoyzNTheHood]

I assume BKN would move 21 and 22 for 13, if Masai loves a project wing like Klintman and likes Podz or Sasser as a guard who can be the backup for Trent and Van Vleet (if we move down I think we keep Trent).

I think I’d be okay with a Podz and Sasser draft

[Yallbecrazy]

I hate to keep screaming about Podz, but in that scrimmage he was the best player on the floor by quite a bit ( which he was supposed to be as not many first rounders participated). Always in control, being active on defense with a couple steals, a bunch of offensive and defensive rebounds, 8 assists, and 0 turnovers. I also think he's a perfect fit for our team style wise. He adds passing, shooting, rebounding, and he's a really smart vocal defender like old Kyle Lowry. He's not quick, but he utilized the swipe down a couple times when outsized in the post to distract the shooter and got incorrectly called for a foul once when the bigger guy almost airballed his post fadeaway over him.

He stuffs the sheet in so many ways, adds spacing, and has an incredible bbiq, and always plays in control / with poise. I'm leaning to putting him in my top 3 college players behind Cason Wallace and Brandon Miller. He's probably ahead of Dick for me at this point once he showed that he's actually a NBA level athlete with his testing numbers.

I feel as though I don't have a good grasp on the Ignite guys: Scoot, Cidy, and Leonard Miller as there aren't comparables.

He does so many good things like you say but he lacks positional size as a SG and lacks quickness or physical dominance to be a 1. You can't compare with KLow because he has unreal strength but I guess being vocal on defense is something.

In a lot of his film he seems to relies on floaters rather than rim attacks. I feel like I am watching Donte Divincenzo watching him which I think is a bench guard not a starter.

What do you think he needs to become an NBA starter and where do you play him?

He has a really good percentage on his floaters and he seems to be able to make the right decision when he gets into the lane, either making the right pass if the big helps too much off his guy, throwing it to the corner for the open 3 if the big helps and the weak side defender comes down to help on the big or just making the floater when they don't contest him.

The main thing he needs to work on is his handle I believe, there were times where a bigger active defender pressured him and he wasn't able to cross them up and was forced wide into passing off to another guy on the side rather than using their aggressiveness against them. His handle is probably that of a NBA sg, rather than a NBA pg. Once that improves he could play the point.

Kyle never stayed in front of his guy later in his Raptors years, but he forced the guy wide into the help defense every time.

I didn't see anyone blow by him in the scrimmage when I watched and he was tellng everyone where to be and who to pick up on switches and in transition. He's not Lowry strong, but at 6'5 with shoes and 204 he's stronger than most guys his size and shows it by boxing out well on the defensive end, even against much larger PFs.

[Raptorfan2012]

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Gonna miss out on him cuz play-ins were more important. LETSGO.

Anything is possible, but most mock drafts have him in the teens right around where we pick. If he goes up, that means someone else in the top 12 will come down.

[Jadoogar]

The more I think about it, the more I think Pascal isnt the guy to move for Portland's pick but rather OG. Its great that OG seems to be more desirable and seen to be more attainable than Pascal. Because I believe it is much harder to get a good offensive player than a defensive player and offenve is more valued than D in this league.

OG+ 13th for 3rd + filler

Scoot
GTJ
Barnes
Pascal
Poetl

OGs not a player that they would move the 3rd pick for....OG does not make the Blazers a contender....If they move the 3rd pick they want a player back who makes keeping Lillard long term a logical thing to do....They obv want a player who puts them into a contender status...

Siakam might not even be that guy for them because of his contract situation. But we will see

If they want an All NBA/ All star type player it’s Siakam. No one better is available. Unless something new comes out where a star wants out.

Embiid is the only one i can see being available. He's a much better option than Siakam but he's going to cost a lot more.

[ATLTimekeeper]

He does so many good things like you say but he lacks positional size as a SG and lacks quickness or physical dominance to be a 1. You can't compare with KLow because he has unreal strength but I guess being vocal on defense is something.

In a lot of his film he seems to relies on floaters rather than rim attacks. I feel like I am watching Donte Divincenzo watching him which I think is a bench guard not a starter.

What do you think he needs to become an NBA starter and where do you play him?

He measured kinda short relative to what he was earmarked as, and almost identical to Jordan Poole. Divincenzo is a nice athlete and plays with speed but zero brain. Podziemski is a cerebral player and highly skilled. So somewhere inbetween DiVincenzo and Poole is where I think he'll end up.

[Smalltown]

AND had a top 6 protected pick in the 2024 draft.

Congratulations Bobby and Masai. You played yourself.

How do you feel if the pick ends up being #20-23? Because if we win 3-4 more games next season that's what it is. Yak is definitely worth a #20 pick.

[Smalltown]

Embiid is the only one i can see being available. He's a much better option than Siakam but he's going to cost a lot more.

Zero chance Embiid is made available. They're not blowing up that team. They're gonna try adding when Harden leaves.

[Smalltown]

Podziemski is a cerebral player and highly skilled. So somewhere inbetween DiVincenzo and Poole is where I think he'll end up.

I feel like Indiana will use one of their 3 picks on him.

[will]

AND had a top 6 protected pick in the 2024 draft.

Congratulations Bobby and Masai. You played yourself.

How do you feel if the pick ends up being #20-23? Because if we win 3-4 more games next season that's what it is. Yak is definitely worth a #20 pick.

I feel nothing.

I know that its pure foolishness on Ja Morant levels.

[Jadoogar]

AND had a top 6 protected pick in the 2024 draft.

Congratulations Bobby and Masai. You played yourself.

How do you feel if the pick ends up being #20-23? Because if we win 3-4 more games next season that's what it is. Yak is definitely worth a #20 pick.

i would feel the same because it means we are committing to this mediocre core.

No one really has an issue with the actual trade in terms of value (although i would argue we didn't protect it enough given Poeltl's expiring contract) but the main issue was with the direction this team was committing to.

[Jadoogar]

Embiid is the only one i can see being available. He's a much better option than Siakam but he's going to cost a lot more.

Zero chance Embiid is made available. They're not blowing up that team. They're gonna try adding when Harden leaves.

I don't think Embiid is going to be traded either. You don't trade an MVP caliber player without exhausting every other option first.
However, if Harden leaves, they have no means to replace him given their cap situation. so they will likely retain him. Their options will be:
1. run it back with a new coach and hope that's enough to take you over the top
2. Try and get something in a Harden sign and trade (it's rare that S&Ts actually get something in value)
3. Look to see if you can get a third star by dangling Maxey
4. all else fails, blow it up get a haul for Embiid.

[will]

A Melo Ball and Scoot backcourt?

Unless Melo tells the Hornets he is going to bounce, not too confident those two are going to work out.

[Psubs]

AND had a top 6 protected pick in the 2024 draft.

Congratulations Bobby and Masai. You played yourself.

How do you feel if the pick ends up being #20-23? Because if we win 3-4 more games next season that's what it is. Yak is definitely worth a #20 pick.

If everyone waited and just let Poeltl become a FA, the Raptors could just sign him next year? Would he take the MLE, so save more or would he go to a non-contender to get more money?

[OakleyDokely]

AND had a top 6 protected pick in the 2024 draft.

Congratulations Bobby and Masai. You played yourself.

How do you feel if the pick ends up being #20-23? Because if we win 3-4 more games next season that's what it is. Yak is definitely worth a #20 pick.

If everyone waited and just let Poeltl become a FA, the Raptors could just sign him next year? Would he take the MLE, so save more or would he go to a non-contender to get more money?

He already turned down about 15 mill from the Spurs, so he's going well above the MLE. Probably in the 18-20 range, which is the range for most quality starting C's.

[HumbleRen]

A Melo Ball and Scoot backcourt?

Unless Melo tells the Hornets he is going to bounce, not too confident those two are going to work out.

Lamelo is great off the ball. Their best line ups includes Rozier and Lamelo on the court. Scoot and him would be a fantastic fit.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Podziemski is a cerebral player and highly skilled. So somewhere inbetween DiVincenzo and Poole is where I think he'll end up.

I feel like Indiana will use one of their 3 picks on him.

I think they'll trade out on a couple of those. They have loads of young guards already and Carlisle is not going to babysit anymore.

Anyway, I don't put a lot of stock in these scrimmages but you can see all the craft in his game. He can change the release point on his floater, nice timing on his passes. 1st round talent for sure.

[OakleyDokely]

A Melo Ball and Scoot backcourt?

Unless Melo tells the Hornets he is going to bounce, not too confident those two are going to work out.

Lamelo is great off the ball. Their best line ups includes Rozier and Lamelo on the court. Scoot and him would been a fantastic fit.

ya, if Lamelo wasn't a good shooter and if he was on the smaller side, there could be issues but they'd make a good inside/outside pairing.

Defensively they will probably struggle to contain penetration but whatever, you figure that out later.

[Duffman100]

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Gonna miss out on him cuz play-ins were more important. LETSGO.

Can we please not flood every draft related thread with these types of comments. We have the 13th pick, that's the reality and that's where we are.

[OakleyDokely]

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Gonna miss out on him cuz play-ins were more important. LETSGO.

Can we please not flood every draft related thread with these types of comments. We have the 13th pick, that's the reality and that's where we are.

not to mention, it's very possible he's available at 13 and I'd...pass right over him...

[720]

OGs not a player that they would move the 3rd pick for....OG does not make the Blazers a contender....If they move the 3rd pick they want a player back who makes keeping Lillard long term a logical thing to do....They obv want a player who puts them into a contender status...

Siakam might not even be that guy for them because of his contract situation. But we will see

If they want an All NBA/ All star type player it’s Siakam. No one better is available. Unless something new comes out where a star wants out.

Embiid is the only one i can see being available. He's a much better option than Siakam but he's going to cost a lot more.

I don’t think the sixers are gonna trade Embiid and rebuild, even if Harden leaves.