Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[Fairview4Life]

OG + Siakam for #3 + Simons + Nuric + big Filter + POR 2024 1st

That’s what your looking at if Raptors actually want to try and get the #3 pick with our set of “believe in yourself, believe in your city” depressed assets

Nurkic is the big filler, and Portland can't trade their 2024 first. But beyond that, in your trade the Raps are giving up the two best players by a significant margin and taking on Nurkic's trash contract for the next 3 seasons. For Branden Miller? A Thompson twin? And you're trying to insult other people by saying their offers are terrible? Lol, come on now. At any rate, the price is only relative to what other teams can offer, not to what a Portland fan wants us to give up.

[OakleyDokely]

OG + Siakam for #3 + Simons + Nuric + big Filter + POR 2024 1st

That’s what your looking at if Raptors actually want to try and get the #3 pick with our set of “believe in yourself, believe in your city” depressed assets

Nurkic is the big filler, and Portland can't trade their 2024 first. But beyond that, in your trade the Raps are giving up the two best players by a significant margin and taking on Nurkic's trash contract for the next 3 seasons. For Branden Miller? A Thompson twin? And you're trying to insult other people by saying their offers are terrible? Lol, come on now. At any rate, the price is only relative to what other teams can offer, not to what a Portland fan wants us to give up.

If Miller becomes a top 20-25 player like Siakam, that would be a successful outcome for him and then you're giving up a 25 year old OG who just made an all-defensive team, plus taking on Nurk's bad contract on top of that.

Very unlikely the Raps trade both Siakam/OG in the same deal. You will get more by trading them separately.

[The Duke]

OG + Siakam for #3 + Simons + Nuric + big Filter + POR 2024 1st

That’s what your looking at if Raptors actually want to try and get the #3 pick with our set of “believe in yourself, believe in your city” depressed assets

Nurkic is the big filler, and Portland can't trade their 2024 first. But beyond that, in your trade the Raps are giving up the two best players by a significant margin and taking on Nurkic's trash contract for the next 3 seasons. For Branden Miller? A Thompson twin? And you're trying to insult other people by saying their offers are terrible? Lol, come on now. At any rate, the price is only relative to what other teams can offer, not to what a Portland fan wants us to give up.

The problem is the valuation that POR will place on the #3 pick is higher then either the value of OG or Siakam (and adding #13 still does not get it there). That’s the trend of how top 3 draft picks are valued in the past (and it should only be going up). So no I don’t think Portland needs to add Sharp to balance either. What we have is not a good fit for trading partners.

Raptors should try the Warriors angle instead.

[The Duke]

OG + Siakam for #3 + Simons + Nuric + big Filter + POR 2024 1st

That’s what your looking at if Raptors actually want to try and get the #3 pick with our set of “believe in yourself, believe in your city” depressed assets

Nurkic is the big filler, and Portland can't trade their 2024 first. But beyond that, in your trade the Raps are giving up the two best players by a significant margin and taking on Nurkic's trash contract for the next 3 seasons. For Branden Miller? A Thompson twin? And you're trying to insult other people by saying their offers are terrible? Lol, come on now. At any rate, the price is only relative to what other teams can offer, not to what a Portland fan wants us to give up.

If Miller becomes a top 20-25 player like Siakam, that would be a successful outcome for him and then you're giving up a 25 year old OG who just made an all-defensive team, plus taking on Nurk's bad contract on top of that.

Very unlikely the Raps trade both Siakam/OG in the same deal. You will get more by trading them separately.

Which is why I don’t see POR as a real viable trading partner. Look elsewhere

[TDotAllStar]

It's hard to construct a POR/TOR trade without Nurk involved which could be a problem. He's making close to 20M a year for the next 3 years which isn't terrible if you need a C, but he'd be dead money on the Raps with Poeltl.

Simons + Nurk + #3 for Siakam is solid value overall if you're looking to reset, but I'd consider Nurk a negative asset, so I think POR would need to compensate for that in some way, maybe in the form of #23.

The minimum I'd probably accept is #3, #23, Simons, Nurk for Siakam.

I think this is the trade if it were to go through.

[OakleyDokely]

Simons/Nurk I view as salary filler and/or dead salary. These guys are not assets. Simons is fine, but he's a one dimensional player on a 100 million dollar contract. You'd be doing POR a favor by taking those 2 and their combined 130 million over the next 3 years off their books.

[CPT]

If Scoot is going to be available at 3, I'm not sure how much I care about the other win-now assets we have to cough up (don't want to trade Scottie or future picks of course).

Then again, if Scoot is going to drop to 3, maybe he's not worth going all in for?

[Fairview4Life]

OG + Siakam for #3 + Simons + Nuric + big Filter + POR 2024 1st

That’s what your looking at if Raptors actually want to try and get the #3 pick with our set of “believe in yourself, believe in your city” depressed assets

Nurkic is the big filler, and Portland can't trade their 2024 first. But beyond that, in your trade the Raps are giving up the two best players by a significant margin and taking on Nurkic's trash contract for the next 3 seasons. For Branden Miller? A Thompson twin? And you're trying to insult other people by saying their offers are terrible? Lol, come on now. At any rate, the price is only relative to what other teams can offer, not to what a Portland fan wants us to give up.

The problem is the valuation that POR will place on the #3 pick is higher then either the value of OG or Siakam (and adding #13 still does not get it there). That’s the trend of how top 3 draft picks are valued in the past (and it should only be going up). So no I don’t think Portland needs to add Sharp to balance either. What we have is not a good fit for trading partners.

Raptors should try the Warriors angle instead.

But you have no idea what valuation the Blazers will put on the pick. They only value the pick for the amount of help they can get for Lillard. The types of trades that have been thrown around out there in the media are like Derozan and Caruso, Bradley Beal, Mikael Bridges...and you want to throw out Pascal & OG as the reasonable Raptors offer? Take those reports with a grain of salt I guess, but if the Blazers aren't trading Lillard, they will not be putting Branden Miller or Taylor Hendricks next to him. So the problem is not what the Blazers want for the pick, really, since their only other alternative is to not trade the pick, which isn't really an alternative for them at all unless Lillard is going out the door. The problem is how every other team values that pick, and in this draft the Blazers will need some team to fall in love with someone despite the draft looking pretty weak and shallow in order to get a big haul. Like, go find an offer better than Pascal, let alone Pascal & OG, before you start making claims about what the 3rd pick in this draft is going to go for.

[duppyy]

I don’t think Portland values Siakam that highly.

[Fairview4Life]

I don’t think Portland values Siakam that highly.

Why not? But if so, then who else do they value that they can realistically get to put next to Lillard? Perpetual loser Karl Anthony Towns? Lol.

[OakleyDokely]

Raps offering Siakam+OG for #3 would be like BRK offering Bridges+Claxton. If that's what POR is expecting, they're keeping the pick and trading Lillard or somehow convincing Lillard to stay.

[Jcity08]

I don’t think Portland values Siakam that highly.

As they should, adding Siakam isnt going to make them instantly contenders. They're going to hold on to their 3rd pick and draft Scoot and test the market on Lillard this Summer.

[ArthurVandelay]

Nurkic is the big filler, and Portland can't trade their 2024 first. But beyond that, in your trade the Raps are giving up the two best players by a significant margin and taking on Nurkic's trash contract for the next 3 seasons. For Branden Miller? A Thompson twin? And you're trying to insult other people by saying their offers are terrible? Lol, come on now. At any rate, the price is only relative to what other teams can offer, not to what a Portland fan wants us to give up.

If Miller becomes a top 20-25 player like Siakam, that would be a successful outcome for him and then you're giving up a 25 year old OG who just made an all-defensive team, plus taking on Nurk's bad contract on top of that.

Very unlikely the Raps trade both Siakam/OG in the same deal. You will get more by trading them separately.

Which is why I don’t see POR as a real viable trading partner. Look elsewhere

It becomes increasing difficult to make a trade with more teams...but they happen. I could see something working with Portland, Toronto, Golden State, and Orlando.


Toronto: Poole, Sharpe, #3

Portland: Siakam, WCJr, Cole Anthony

Golden State: Nurkic, OPJr, Flynn

Magic: Simons


Why Toronto: PG to replace Fred, Sharpe and Miller add shooting and scoring.

Why Portland: They add an all-star talent, a solid C who can stretch the floor, and a 6th man scorer. They resign Grant and they have a 30, 25, 20, and 15 ppg scorers in starting lineup. Resign Thybulle to start at SG, won't need to worry about his offense other than catch and shoot 3s. Then have Little & Reddish for wing reserves and Eubanks & Watford off the bench. They can use 23 to add more depth or further trades plus they will have their MLE to add another rotational player.

Why Golden State: Get off Poole contract and start to fix the locker room. Add needed depth and a large body in the mold of Zaza and Bogut which they have been lacking. With Draymond and Looney, Nurkic won't be relied on for big minutes and maybe he can actually get through a season. I read that OPJr acted as a connector between youth and vets on GSW. They can get him back plus he knows the team. Flynn is to add a 3rd string PG. They can use 19th to get a guy like Sasser.

Why Magic: They need a PG and Simons is an elite catch and shoot threat. Big advantage of Paolo is his size and ability to handle the ball. Don't want a PG that is going to diminish that. They can use cap space to go after Naz Reid and draft Lively to solidify their bigs.


**This works in Fanspo trade checker.

[notagenius]

#3 pick is only good if scoot drops.

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[The Duke]

At the deadline MU got the valuation of his players, and he likely wasn’t happy with it. So he decided to move the 1st and try for playoffs, with the benefit (if it materialized) that it would pump up the values of Siakam and OG etc. What likely end up happening is erroding value further (compared to trade deadline), since now Siakam and OG and co, couldn’t even get into the playoffs. Why would a reasonable team on the balance of probabilities believe either peice (Siakam or OG) is a significant upgrade and turn a bottom 5 team into a contender.

[OakleyDokely]

At the deadline MU got the valuation of his players, and he likely wasn’t happy with it. So he decided to move the 1st and try for playoffs, with the benefit (if it materialized) that it would pump up the values of Siakam and OG etc. What likely end up happening is erroding value further (compared to trade deadline), since now Siakam and OG and co, couldn’t even get into the playoffs. Why would a reasonable team on the balance of probabilities believe either peice (Siakam or OG) is a significant upgrade and turn a bottom 5 team into a contender.

I think smart organizations realize that if Siakam is slotted in his ideal role (a #2 behind a legit #1), he becomes extremely valuable compared to him trying to be the #1 guy on team lacking scoring options.

What you're getting with OG should be no secret to anyone. Elite perimeter defender, maybe the best, who will knockdown a bunch of 3s. Basically the type of player every team can slot into their starting lineup with ease.

Short of adding Doncic or Giannis who exactly is making the Blazers a legit title contender?

[RaptorLakerJay]

If Scoot is going to be available at 3, I'm not sure how much I care about the other win-now assets we have to cough up (don't want to trade Scottie or future picks of course).

Then again, if Scoot is going to drop to 3, maybe he's not worth going all in for?

Doncic fell to 3, MJ fell to 3.

[canz55]

At the deadline MU got the valuation of his players, and he likely wasn’t happy with it. So he decided to move the 1st and try for playoffs, with the benefit (if it materialized) that it would pump up the values of Siakam and OG etc. What likely end up happening is erroding value further (compared to trade deadline), since now Siakam and OG and co, couldn’t even get into the playoffs. Why would a reasonable team on the balance of probabilities believe either peice (Siakam or OG) is a significant upgrade and turn a bottom 5 team into a contender.

OG and Siakam still have value, its just difficult to predict what that kind of value will net you back.

As rule a of thumb, its never a good idea to trade a 3rd pick in almost every case so I don't see a trade with Portland being plausible.

[720]

So far from just reading in different parts of the internet I’ve seen like maybe 2 blazers fans that actually like Siakam and want him. lol

Everyone else would rather have the third pick.

Hopefully their GM isn’t just lying to keep Lillard happy and is actually going to trade that pick. If so we have to be one of the teams that have a chance at landing him. Hope Bobby and Masai aren’t still **** ing delusional about this core.

[tradejosehesux]

OG + Siakam for #3 + Simons + Nuric + big Filter + POR 2024 1st

That’s what your looking at if Raptors actually want to try and get the #3 pick with our set of “believe in yourself, believe in your city” depressed assets

I think our package gets you Sharpe instead of Simons. Might need to add #13 if you really want Sharpe.