2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[HumbleRen]

I’m just playing devils advocate here, but what does Keyonte George do to separate himself from Gary Trent Jr?

Dribbling for starters.

GTJ has one of the worst handles on our team and he's a guard lol.

[will]

Can we draft a guy who can shoot right off the bat? Or someone who can create his own shot off the bounce? I don’t want to get a guy who needs to “develop” his offense.

Of course.

Those guys are usually high lottery picks.

The better the player, the higher the pick.

[Psubs]

I’m just playing devils advocate here, but what does Keyonte George do to separate himself from Gary Trent Jr?

Much better handles, can break his man down off the dribble, does have the ability to get to the rim. Trent is pretty limited in these areas.

But Keyonte can't finish because he's undersized without elite hops and will only get worse in the GLeague, not even in the NBA.

I'd take Bufkin before George.

[ItsDanger]

I’m just playing devils advocate here, but what does Keyonte George do to separate himself from Gary Trent Jr?

Much better handles, can break his man down off the dribble, does have the ability to get to the rim. Trent is pretty limited in these areas.

But Keyonte can't finish because he's undersized without elite hops and will only get worse in the GLeague, not even in the NBA.

I'd take Bufkin before George.

I'm just saying in comparison to Trent. George will at least go to the rim, he's just not efficient in these areas. Its an aptitude vs ability argument really. Trent's handles are pretty weak, questionable offhand, George is just better in these areas. The question on him is his shot creation good enough to beat a lot of defenders in NBA. We all should know Trent definitely isn't in that category as a creator.

[Psubs]

Can we draft a guy who can shoot right off the bat? Or someone who can create his own shot off the bounce? I don’t want to get a guy who needs to “develop” his offense.

Yeah I've been wanting this for a while now. Let's just get someone who can score the ****ing ball.

We have defenders. We have so many defenders.

We got too many one dimensional players. I rather draft a prospect with multiple weapons who’s not afraid to express themselves with the ball. A creative threat. I think it’s easier to help a player develop defense than a shot. Raptors FO have had it backwards.

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[HumbleRen]

Yeah I've been wanting this for a while now. Let's just get someone who can score the ****ing ball.

We have defenders. We have so many defenders.

We got too many one dimensional players. I rather draft a prospect with multiple weapons who’s not afraid to express themselves with the ball. A creative threat. I think it’s easier to help a player develop defense than a shot. Raptors FO have had it backwards.

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[youtube]https://youtu.be/i03mEJoMrUY?t=362[/youtube]

64% from the FT line is stinky though.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I know Lamelo has a reputation for being self indulgent player but he plays game the right way. He doesn't dominate the ball, he's like Lonzo in that aspect. Quick passes, pushing the pace, etc etc.

I doubt it'll be a serious issue with those 2. Lamelo isn't meant to be a 1st option nor does he strike me as someone who wants that role.

He's definitely one of the higher usage players in the NBA. And as for his attitude about sharing the ball:

"Put that bitch in my hands and let me rock! That’s how I be feeling and then we’re gonna be straight.”

You can't put Scoot with him. Long-term it won't work.

His usage is 27%, it's really not that high for a tanking team. In line with Darius Garland,

Especially for the passing savant that he is. It'll work, I'm not worried about it at all. Nor would a GM be either imo. You don't pass on Scoot because you think Lamelo is going to be selfish enough to stunt Scoot's growth.

This year it was 28.9 (nba.com), the highest of any player on a tanking team. When you draft two young stars that play best with the ball in their hands, it never works out. It's not even a question of selfishness.

[HumbleRen]

He's definitely one of the higher usage players in the NBA. And as for his attitude about sharing the ball:



You can't put Scoot with him. Long-term it won't work.

His usage is 27%, it's really not that high for a tanking team. In line with Darius Garland,

Especially for the passing savant that he is. It'll work, I'm not worried about it at all. Nor would a GM be either imo. You don't pass on Scoot because you think Lamelo is going to be selfish enough to stunt Scoot's growth.

This year it was 28.9 (nba.com), the highest of any player on a tanking team. When you draft two young stars that play best with the ball in their hands, it never works out. It's not even a question of selfishness.

Plus I don't even count this year to use it against him, they have nobody on that team, he soaks up the usage by default.

I just don't agree with that line of thinking, you have to try it before you write it off. Just going to have to agree to disagree.

[Dalek]

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Just a meeting, but Toronto meeting with TJD. He was hitting loads of NBA threes earlier this week which was shocking to me since he took like three 3 point shots his college career. He is like a Sabonis type potentially if he has a jumper too.

Honestly have seen so many names being flown around. This guy seems to me like way more of a Masai guy than a lot of other guys named. Too bad he’s 23.

I agree that at 23 how much upside is there, but he was an elite college player and you never know, it could mean we are exploring late firsts or seconds if we have interest in him.

I think our bench could improve its IQ because the Precious/Boucher dynamic is way too limiting. This guy could be an offensive hub off the bench.

[WetLikeWater]

I’m just playing devils advocate here, but what does Keyonte George do to separate himself from Gary Trent Jr?

Dribbling for starters.

GTJ has one of the worst handles on our team and he's a guard lol.

yo bro who is that chick in your profile pic! shes kinda cute

[Rapsfan07]

What about a draft day trade of #13, Boucher and Otto for Buddy Hield, #26 and #29. If want to compete right away, go with seniors Sasser at #26 and TJD at #29?

Nah. If we're going to trade back, might as well do it with Brooklyn. We'd use the same #13, keep Boucher and Otto and get earlier first rounders at 21 & 22 instead.

[PhilBlackson]

I’m just playing devils advocate here, but what does Keyonte George do to separate himself from Gary Trent Jr?

Much better handles, can break his man down off the dribble, does have the ability to get to the rim. Trent is pretty limited in these areas.

But Keyonte can't finish because he's undersized without elite hops and will only get worse in the GLeague, not even in the NBA.

I'd take Bufkin before George.

He doesn't have "elite" hops but he does have more leaping ability than I think we seen as apparently he dealt with a lingering ankle problem that eventually got the best of near the end of the season which led to him being heavier than he wanted to be. There's "potentially" some substance on how that could've effected his shot if he wasn't able to create the separation on his jumper as he did in highschool where he shot better percentages and looked more explosive soooooo....remains to be seen.

Doesn't mean he'll show up and be some lights out scorer but I think there's potential that he could be better than what he showed but his bag is absolutely LIGHTS YEARS ahead of Gary's lol (period). Personally I'm not as high on Bufkin as a lot of you. Don't get me wrong he looks like he'll be a really solid player, kinda gives me Dimwiddie vibes (without the bonehead personality lol & potentially better shooter & defender) which obviously if Dimwiddie improved in those areas would make him an even better player and a really good one overall so again, I'm not against KB.

I just don't quite see star potential there and his creation off the dribble is ok but nothing fantastic and still really wouldn't give us another go-to-scorer although an improved on from Gary being that he's MUCH better finishing around the rim. Just for me without knowing whether or not Masai will have the balls to actually pull the trigger on a Pascal or OG deal, I want to roll the dice on some upside with Bilal but that's just me.

[ATLTimekeeper]

We got too many one dimensional players. I rather draft a prospect with multiple weapons who’s not afraid to express themselves with the ball. A creative threat. I think it’s easier to help a player develop defense than a shot. Raptors FO have had it backwards.

Watch on YouTube

[youtube]https://youtu.be/i03mEJoMrUY?t=362[/youtube]

64% from the FT line is stinky though.

I wonder if the GLeague FT rules would negatively impact that a bit, as percentages go up fairly dramatically on the 2nd attempt. I mean, I don't think he's a good shooter but he might have been getting screwed a bit there.

[Ell Curry]

I assume BKN would move 21 and 22 for 13, if Masai loves a project wing like Klintman and likes Podz or Sasser as a guard who can be the backup for Trent and Van Vleet (if we move down I think we keep Trent).

Yup. I mentioned this before. They apparently love Rupert - who idolizes Mikal Bridges - so I think we could make a deal with them draft day. Draft Rupert and trade him for the two picks.

Toronto could get crazy and pick Bilal and Sidy or a fun combo like Bona and Bailey for Rico's runs.

Jazz at 16 and 28 isn't terrible either if Masai's guy is gone by 13. We draft BPA at 16 and then Sasser or Podz at 28 if they last.

[Rapsfan07]

A Melo Ball and Scoot backcourt?

Unless Melo tells the Hornets he is going to bounce, not too confident those two are going to work out.

Lamelo is great off the ball. Their best line ups includes Rozier and Lamelo on the court. Scoot and him would be a fantastic fit.

Which is exactly why they shouldn't take Scoot.

If Melo > Rozier and Scoot > Rozier, drafting Scoot means Rozier is on the move. So unless you think you're getting an equal or better wing talent than Miller in a Rozier deal, it makes much more sense to just take Miller.

[HumbleRen]

I’m just playing devils advocate here, but what does Keyonte George do to separate himself from Gary Trent Jr?

Dribbling for starters.

GTJ has one of the worst handles on our team and he's a guard lol.

yo bro who is that chick in your profile pic! shes kinda cute

Wish I knew man lol, just saw it randomly on IMgur.

[HumbleRen]

A Melo Ball and Scoot backcourt?

Unless Melo tells the Hornets he is going to bounce, not too confident those two are going to work out.

Lamelo is great off the ball. Their best line ups includes Rozier and Lamelo on the court. Scoot and him would be a fantastic fit.

Which is exactly why they shouldn't take Scoot.

If Melo > Rozier and Scoot > Rozier, drafting Scoot means Rozier is on the move. So unless you think you're getting an equal or better wing talent than Miller in a Rozier deal, it makes much more sense to just take Miller.

Huh ? lol.

[JShuttlesworth]

I don't know if everyone saw this:
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2023

He are the measurements from the combine -- This is always interesting to me, you see the guys whose height was over stated

- Cason Wallace, 6'2.5" (listed at 6'4)
- Jordan Hawkins 6'4.25" (listed at 6'5)
- Cam Whitmore 6'5.75" (listed at 6'7)
- Anthony Black 6'5.75" (listed at 6'7)
- Gradey Dick 6'6.25" (listed at 6'7)

No measurements on Nick Smith Jr, Keyonte George just yet, but as per usual people are a lot of players boosting their height by as much as an inch and a half

Jarace Walker is 6'6.5" with a 7'2.5" wingspan though. Sheesh. Rupert also 6'6" with a 7'2" wingspan

[HumbleRen]

I don't know if everyone saw this:
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2023

He are the measurements from the combine -- This is always interesting to me, you see the guys whose height was over started

- Cason Wallace, 6'2.5" (listed at 6'4)
- Jordan Hawkins 6'4.25" (listed at 6'5)
- Cam Whitmore 6'5.75" (listed at 6'7)
- Anthony Black 6'5.75" (listed at 6'7)
- Gradey Dick 6'6.25" (listed at 6'7)

No measurements on Nick Smith Jr, Keyonte George just yet, but as per usual people are a lot of players over starting their height by as much as an inch and a half

Jarace Walker is 6'6.5" with a 7'2.5" wingspan though. Sheesh. Rupert also 6'6" with a 7'2" wingspan

Doesn’t listed account for shoes though ?

Like Scottie measured to be 6’7 but he’s listed at 6’8 with shoes.

[JShuttlesworth]

I don't know if everyone saw this:
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2023

He are the measurements from the combine -- This is always interesting to me, you see the guys whose height was over started

- Cason Wallace, 6'2.5" (listed at 6'4)
- Jordan Hawkins 6'4.25" (listed at 6'5)
- Cam Whitmore 6'5.75" (listed at 6'7)
- Anthony Black 6'5.75" (listed at 6'7)
- Gradey Dick 6'6.25" (listed at 6'7)

No measurements on Nick Smith Jr, Keyonte George just yet, but as per usual people are a lot of players over starting their height by as much as an inch and a half

Jarace Walker is 6'6.5" with a 7'2.5" wingspan though. Sheesh. Rupert also 6'6" with a 7'2" wingspan

Doesn’t listed account for shoes though ?

Like Scottie measured to be 6’7 but he’s listed at 6’8 with shoes.

How thick the soles are on a players shoes is irrelevant to me