Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[Raps in 4]

Portland is the desperate team trying to contend around Lillards last few years. Raptors don't have to trade Siakam or OG here lol.

To be fair, we're desperate to contend around Pascal. Which is why I don't think we're even entertaining the idea of trading for the #3 pick. If anything, we're more likely to trade the #13 pick to get Pascal some help.

[HumbleRen]

Bridges over Siakam? lol

We all got to see Mikal Bridges when he is has a larger starring role and more minutes after getting to Brooklyn...and only his scoring went up but literally none of his other counting stats.

He averaged 1 steal per game this past season and did not even sniff an NBA all-defensive team.

Scoring is a push. Rebounding and playmaking...Siakam is significantly better. Bridges is probably a better wing defender but the delta isn't huge...and Bridges averaged 0.1 more steals than Pascal.

Other than Bridges being 3 years younger and a marginally better defender...Pascal is the better player overall.

And someone said that a Bridges/Claxton package is much better than Siakam/OG package...and that is completely wrong.

Mikal is an more attractive piece because he's a potentially a better scorer and his contract is amazing.

Siakam is the more complete player but can still potentially make a supermax or get a max extension that will pay him 45M a year.

While Mikal will be making half of that until 2026.

I don’t see the potential...at 26...what is the potential? He averaged 26 points as the focal point of Brooklyn's offence but even given the increased usage...he didn't average any more assists or rebounds.

His efficiency will go down as his usage goes up and teams start to gameplan around him.

Mikal is a bit overrated meanwhile...Pascal's been doing this for the few seasons while being a better passer and rebounder.

...and once Pascal is traded...no more supermax.

And honestly...I wouldn't want the Raptors to give him the supermax...so it is the best situation for everyone to trade Pascal now.

It's just objectively undeniable that Mikal is a more attractive piece than Siakam. That doesn't mean he's better than Siakam but Mikal is the better asset.

[ArthurVandelay]

Didn't a recent Athletic story come out saying teams don't value Pascal?

That was Heavy.com and Steve Bulpett wasn't it?

[mtcan]

The small sample size of what Bridges was doing in BK is way more than what Pascal will ever do.

The rate at which Bridges gets to the FT line and KNOCKS DOWN his goddamn free throws alone is worth it.

Pascal is the better overall player...like I said...there isn't anything Mikal does that is significantly better but Pascal is a significantly better playmaker and rebounder.

Bridges as a 1st offensive option is like a new toy but we have a sample size as to what Bridges can do as a main guy...and while he scores more...he doesn't do anything else any better.

Meh...if he were a couple more years younger and can be seen as having a higher ceiling I'd agree with you...sure. but not at 26.

[PhilBlackson]

Portland is the desperate team trying to contend around Lillards last few years. Raptors don't have to trade Siakam or OG here lol.

To be fair, we're desperate to contend around Pascal. Which is why I don't think we're even entertaining the idea of trading for the #3 pick. If anything, we're more likely to trade the #13 pick to get Pascal some help.

My God would that ever be awful.

[will]

The small sample size of what Bridges was doing in BK is way more than what Pascal will ever do.

The rate at which Bridges gets to the FT line and KNOCKS DOWN his goddamn free throws alone is worth it.

Pascal is the better overall player...like I said...there isn't anything Mikal does that is significantly better but Pascal is a significantly better playmaker and rebounder.

Bridges as a 1st offensive option is like a new toy but we have a sample size as to what Bridges can do as a main guy...and while he scores more...he doesn't do anything else any better.

Meh...if he were a couple more years younger and can be seen as having a higher ceiling I'd agree with you...sure. but not at 26.

3-4 years younger than Pascal.

pascal has nowhere to go but down at this point.

[mtcan]

I'm not into paying Pascal who is at best a #2 offensive option...max money as if he were the superstar cornerstone of the franchise. Paying Pascal a max money extension would be like giving Tobias Harris the deal he currently has which is absurd...being the highest paid guy on a team where he provides 4th option production.

[mtcan]

The small sample size of what Bridges was doing in BK is way more than what Pascal will ever do.

The rate at which Bridges gets to the FT line and KNOCKS DOWN his goddamn free throws alone is worth it.

Pascal is the better overall player...like I said...there isn't anything Mikal does that is significantly better but Pascal is a significantly better playmaker and rebounder.

Bridges as a 1st offensive option is like a new toy but we have a sample size as to what Bridges can do as a main guy...and while he scores more...he doesn't do anything else any better.

Meh...if he were a couple more years younger and can be seen as having a higher ceiling I'd agree with you...sure. but not at 26.

3-4 years younger than Pascal.

pascal has nowhere to go but down at this point.

Nah...he has a few years of his prime to come. Let's be real. I'm not sure he will get better but he won't be worse for a few more years.

[NinjaBro]

Didn't a recent Athletic story come out saying teams don't value Pascal?

It was a story about who players feel is the most overrated. Siakam was on that list. Also on that list was Jimmy Butler, they all look foolish now.

[tdotrep2]

Didn't a recent Athletic story come out saying teams don't value Pascal?

It was a story about who players feel is the most overrated. Siakam was on that list. Also on that list was Jimmy Butler, they all look foolish now.

and it had a total of 50 voets with like 4 going to siakam. irrelevant

[will]

Pascal is the better overall player...like I said...there isn't anything Mikal does that is significantly better but Pascal is a significantly better playmaker and rebounder.

Bridges as a 1st offensive option is like a new toy but we have a sample size as to what Bridges can do as a main guy...and while he scores more...he doesn't do anything else any better.

Meh...if he were a couple more years younger and can be seen as having a higher ceiling I'd agree with you...sure. but not at 26.

3-4 years younger than Pascal.

pascal has nowhere to go but down at this point.

Nah...he has a few years of his prime to come. Let's be real. I'm not sure he will get better but he won't be worse for a few more years.

He's maxed out what he can do as a go to guy.

He would be better off being a #2 for sure. The league is quick to adjust and get their scouting reports down.

[HumbleRen]

Rico is Siakam's mans, through and through lol.

Yeah, Siakam ain't going anywhere

[mtcan]

3-4 years younger than Pascal.

pascal has nowhere to go but down at this point.

Nah...he has a few years of his prime to come. Let's be real. I'm not sure he will get better but he won't be worse for a few more years.

He's maxed out what he can do as a go to guy.

He would be better off being a #2 for sure. The league is quick to adjust and get their scouting reports down.

I think we all agree that Pascal isn't a go-to guy which is why I want him traded so that no one has to fear about getting a supermax. If he were in Portland or Sacramento or Washington or Dallas...he would be awesome.

I don't think Mikal Bridges is a go-to guy on a winning team either.

Both guys are 2nd or 3rd stars on a good at best.

[PhilBlackson]

Rico is Siakam's mans, through and through lol.

Yeah, Siakam ain't going anywhere

Rico is obviously a big time guy for player development so while I certainly don't rule out Pascal staying, it doesn't mean per say that Hines would like to be jobless lol or that the team wouldn't value his work without Pascal.

[OakleyDokely]

Thing is, I don't think GM's really think to highly on Siakam either.

I'm not so sure about that, he's made multiple all-nba teams, allstar games. These are things decided on by people who cover or are around the game a lot. I think people in NBA circles know what he provides.

The number of anonymous executives trashing him and the number of rumors of him being shopped tells you everything you need to know about Siakam's value around the league. If his value was trash, anonymous executives wouldn't be trashing him or saying how available he is.

Or they bash him to try to bring his value down.

I just can't believe anyone half decent from basketball evaluation skills standpoint can't see the value he'd bring to any team.

[HumbleRen]

If I'm in Portland's situation and Scoot lands to #3. I would laugh at Masai on the phone if he tries to offer me Siakam for it lol.

That's why ultimately I don't see this trade happening. Especially with Sharpe looking like a real player on the rise.

The Dame era is ending, it's only a matter of when, not if.

[Tha Cynic]

The discourse online around Siakam is so wild lol.

Literally every fanbase thinks he’s a scrub or something. I’m seeing Portland fans saying they rather get Mikal than Siakam.

Like I get he isn’t the sexiest player to watch in terms of his game but man, that bubble series 3 years ago has done irreparable damage to his name.

Bridges over Siakam? lol

We all got to see Mikal Bridges when he is has a larger starring role and more minutes after getting to Brooklyn...and only his scoring went up but literally none of his other counting stats.

He averaged 1 steal per game this past season and did not even sniff an NBA all-defensive team.

Scoring is a push. Rebounding and playmaking...Siakam is significantly better. Bridges is probably a better wing defender but the delta isn't huge...and Bridges averaged 0.1 more steals than Pascal.

Other than Bridges being 3 years younger and a marginally better defender...Pascal is the better player overall.

And someone said that a Bridges/Claxton package is much better than Siakam/OG package...and that is completely wrong.

Mikal is an more attractive piece because he's a potentially a better scorer and his contract is amazing.

Siakam is the more complete player but can still potentially make a supermax or get a max extension that will pay him 45M a year.

While Mikal will be making half of that until 2026.

If Portland is trying to win, then this is a no-brainer. You trade for Siakam. Bridges is a Collins type of player.

[HumbleRen]

Bridges over Siakam? lol

We all got to see Mikal Bridges when he is has a larger starring role and more minutes after getting to Brooklyn...and only his scoring went up but literally none of his other counting stats.

He averaged 1 steal per game this past season and did not even sniff an NBA all-defensive team.

Scoring is a push. Rebounding and playmaking...Siakam is significantly better. Bridges is probably a better wing defender but the delta isn't huge...and Bridges averaged 0.1 more steals than Pascal.

Other than Bridges being 3 years younger and a marginally better defender...Pascal is the better player overall.

And someone said that a Bridges/Claxton package is much better than Siakam/OG package...and that is completely wrong.

Mikal is an more attractive piece because he's a potentially a better scorer and his contract is amazing.

Siakam is the more complete player but can still potentially make a supermax or get a max extension that will pay him 45M a year.

While Mikal will be making half of that until 2026.

If Portland is trying to win, then this is a no-brainer. You trade for Siakam. Bridges is a Collins type of player.

lol

[Tha Cynic]

Looking around the League, the high level talent just isn't there. Most of what you would truly consider stars are players who are older. We have a bunch of younger shooters masquerading as stars in an era where scoring numbers are inflated. I don't even know who to trade Siakam to and get an impact player who isn't just some guy we're fawning over because he has a jumpshot. Siakam's value is also hurt a lot by his upcoming free agency.

My favourite trade is still to try to get someone from Cleveland or Indiana.

[youreachiteach]

Every time our players get hyped in the media on the trade block some "nameless executive" always has a lousy opinion to share. I bet these are from teams directly in competition with the Raptors and don't want to see Masai improve the team--they've seen what happens when he gets it right.

In fact, all these "no one wants to trade with Masai" rumours are getting a bit much. The rumoured returns are often really paltry and mostly stem from Toronto being in a fairly weak bargaining position--which is why he has waited until now(ish) to attempt to re-engage with other GM's.

That being said, there had better be progress other than just "re-signing everybody" because the rope he had is done.