Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[ruckus]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy. I'm willing to give him this offseason to improve and see what he can do next season with another coach but he has a long, long way to go before he can reach the level of some of these guys thats hes been compared to.

Say what you will about Pascal, Fred and OG but those guys really put in the work to get where they are now. Same with Kyle. Same with Demar. You could even say the same about Nurse.

I'm not putting this all at the feet of Scottie. Far from it. But these are early warning signs. Y'know? And he's young. I'll give him that. Maybe it'll take some time for him to get it and understand what it takes.

I just don't want to be Bargnani'd again. Where flashes of greatness turn out to be just that, flashes. We should already know that great moments don't make great careers.

[ATLTimekeeper]

So if Nurse just gave Scottie high volume touches he would have produced better offense for himself and the team last year?

Maybe, maybe not, but you're missing the forest for the trees. Burning trees.

I was responding to the argument. I'm not missing anything here.

[HumbleRen]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy.

He won't be. He'll a great building block but the job isn't done yet. We need more young talent to pair beside him.

A Paolo equivalent. Franz has his running mate, Scottie needs his too.

[MonkBatter42]

Watch on YouTube

Ahhh ****, here we go again. Summer time runs and workout vids can’t wait lol

Scottie pulling up for 3s tho

Looks like he’s playing with some of his old fsu teammates vs the final four FAU team

Ah, the good ol' summer run videos!! Remember last Summer when ppl saw Scottie video snippets posted to social media and got super hyped believing he had significantly added to his skillset?! Yeah... Until he can shoot a wide open jumper at a reasonable clip, and develops any semblance of the ability to move North-South with the ball and get into the paint on a regular basis, he will unfortunately remain the same old Scottie. He REALLY needs to work on his functional ball handling, footwork, and post-moves, and not focus on pointless perimeter combo dribble moves that get him absolutely nowhere on the court.

[DreamTeam09]

Watch on YouTube

Ahhh ****, here we go again. Summer time runs and workout vids can’t wait lol

Scottie pulling up for 3s tho

Looks like he’s playing with some of his old fsu teammates vs the final four FAU team

Ah, the good ol' summer run videos!! Remember last Summer when ppl saw Scottie video snippets posted to social media and got super hyped believing he had significantly added to his skillset?! Yeah... Until he can shoot a wide open jumper at a reasonable clip, and develops any semblance of the ability to move North-South with the ball and get into the paint on a regular basis, he will unfortunately remain the same old Scottie. He REALLY needs to work on his functional ball handling, footwork, and post-moves, and not focus on pointless perimeter combo dribble moves that get him absolutely nowhere on the court.

So would you rather him not play basketball during the summer? lol it's okay if you're not impressed, but like come on...

[MonkBatter42]

Ahhh ****, here we go again. Summer time runs and workout vids can’t wait lol

Scottie pulling up for 3s tho

Looks like he’s playing with some of his old fsu teammates vs the final four FAU team

Ah, the good ol' summer run videos!! Remember last Summer when ppl saw Scottie video snippets posted to social media and got super hyped believing he had significantly added to his skillset?! Yeah... Until he can shoot a wide open jumper at a reasonable clip, and develops any semblance of the ability to move North-South with the ball and get into the paint on a regular basis, he will unfortunately remain the same old Scottie. He REALLY needs to work on his functional ball handling, footwork, and post-moves, and not focus on pointless perimeter combo dribble moves that get him absolutely nowhere on the court.

So would you rather him not play basketball during the summer? lol it's okay if you're not impressed, but like come on...

Wait what? lol. I never said anything about not wanting him to play during the Summer. My whole point was not to get amped up based on edited highlights from his Summer runs, as they will provide little indication if he's actually getting any better

[Basketball_Jones]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy. I'm willing to give him this offseason to improve and see what he can do next season with another coach but he has a long, long way to go before he can reach the level of some of these guys thats hes been compared to.

Say what you will about Pascal, Fred and OG but those guys really put in the work to get where they are now. Same with Kyle. Same with Demar. You could even say the same about Nurse.

I'm not putting this all at the feet of Scottie. Far from it. But these are early warning signs. Y'know? And he's young. I'll give him that. Maybe it'll take some time for him to get it and understand what it takes.

I just don't want to be Bargnani'd again. Where flashes of greatness turn out to be just that, flashes. We should already know that great moments don't make great careers.

He certainly can be a franchise guy, as evidenced by everything he showed in his rookie year. Sophomore we didn't see anything new and some regression shooting, shockingly in areas he was kind of automatic at (paint and mid range). Adjusting his shooting form for deep might have messed with his overall mechanics, and it's really what happens here that will be interesting. I think he'll likely just focus more on paint scoring and attacking like Siakam did after his 3 point shot went away. So is he a better version of Siakam someday? I'm okay with that.

[Los_29]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy.

He won't be. He'll a great building block but the job isn't done yet. We need more young talent to pair beside him.

A Paolo equivalent. Franz has his running mate, Scottie needs his too.

You need a lot better than Paolo and Franz. Those guys aren't taking you anywhere unless they make unprecedented improvements in their game. These guys can be very good players but you need superstar talent. Look at the superstars currently in the league. They all showed far more than Paolo did in their rookie years despite many of them actually being younger. This draft is big for Orlando, they are going to need to come away from this draft with some good players. Then hopefully they can package some of that talent with some picks for a superstar. Their team is in a weird position right now because a lot of their picks haven't panned out.

[HumbleRen]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy.

He won't be. He'll a great building block but the job isn't done yet. We need more young talent to pair beside him.

A Paolo equivalent. Franz has his running mate, Scottie needs his too.

You need a lot better than Paolo and Franz. Those guys aren't taking you anywhere unless they make unprecedented improvements in their game. These guys can be very good players but you need superstar talent. Look at the superstars currently in the league. They all showed far more than Paolo did in their rookie years despite many of them actually being younger. This draft is big for Orlando, they are going to need to come away from this draft with some good players. Then hopefully they can package some of that talent with some picks for a superstar. Their team is in a weird position right now because a lot of their picks haven't panned out.

Garbage take.

[Los_29]

He won't be. He'll a great building block but the job isn't done yet. We need more young talent to pair beside him.

A Paolo equivalent. Franz has his running mate, Scottie needs his too.

You need a lot better than Paolo and Franz. Those guys aren't taking you anywhere unless they make unprecedented improvements in their game. These guys can be very good players but you need superstar talent. Look at the superstars currently in the league. They all showed far more than Paolo did in their rookie years despite many of them actually being younger. This draft is big for Orlando, they are going to need to come away from this draft with some good players. Then hopefully they can package some of that talent with some picks for a superstar. Their team is in a weird position right now because a lot of their picks haven't panned out.

Garbage take.

Do you honestly think Paolo can be a top 5-10 player in this league?

Didn't think saying Franz/Paolo aren't a championship duo would cause so much anger. I honestly thought that was common knowledge.

[HumbleRen]

You need a lot better than Paolo and Franz. Those guys aren't taking you anywhere unless they make unprecedented improvements in their game. These guys can be very good players but you need superstar talent. Look at the superstars currently in the league. They all showed far more than Paolo did in their rookie years despite many of them actually being younger. This draft is big for Orlando, they are going to need to come away from this draft with some good players. Then hopefully they can package some of that talent with some picks for a superstar. Their team is in a weird position right now because a lot of their picks haven't panned out.

Garbage take.

Do you honestly think Paolo can be a top 5-10 player in this league?

Didn't think saying Franz/Paolo aren't a championship duo would cause so much anger. I honestly thought that was common knowledge.

What are you talking about man ? Is every rookie not worth building around because they aren't a generational talent ? Like what are you even talking about in your bolded sentence ? Paolo is 20 man lol.

You're writing off 20 year olds because they aren't a top 10 talent in their first 2 years ? Just a horrendous take, take a lap man lol.

[Los_29]

Garbage take.

Do you honestly think Paolo can be a top 5-10 player in this league?

Didn't think saying Franz/Paolo aren't a championship duo would cause so much anger. I honestly thought that was common knowledge.

What are you talking about man ? Is every rookie not worth building around because they aren't a generational talent ? Like what are you even talking about in your bolded sentence ? Paolo is 20 man lol.

You're writing off 20 year olds because they aren't a top 10 talent in their first 2 years ? Just a horrendous take, take a lap man lol.

Dude, you just wrote off Scottie Barnes 30 minutes ago. I think it's you that needs a nap.

I'm not building my team around Paolo/Franz just like I wouldn't build my team around Scottie. I would obviously continue to add talent but I wouldn't add talent for the sole purpose of it fitting around the talents of Franz/Paolo and Scottie.

Do you realize how hard it is to become a top 5 player? I didn't completely write him off, I said it would take unprecedented improvements in his game to become a top 5 player in this league. There is nothing controversial about that. The funny thing is, I'm actually a Paolo fan. I was a fan of his last year and thought the Magic did a great job in drafting him over Chet and Jabari. But just because I like him doesn't mean I think he will be a top 5 player, future of hall of famer and NBA champion. LOL. He's got a lot of work to do and not sure he has that kind of ceiling. Really bad on the defensive end and just not enough potential offensively to make up for it.

[HumbleRen]

Do you honestly think Paolo can be a top 5-10 player in this league?

Didn't think saying Franz/Paolo aren't a championship duo would cause so much anger. I honestly thought that was common knowledge.

What are you talking about man ? Is every rookie not worth building around because they aren't a generational talent ? Like what are you even talking about in your bolded sentence ? Paolo is 20 man lol.

You're writing off 20 year olds because they aren't a top 10 talent in their first 2 years ? Just a horrendous take, take a lap man lol.

Dude, you just wrote off Scottie Barnes 30 minutes ago. I think it's you that needs a nap.

I'm not building my team around Paolo/Franz just like I wouldn't build my team around Scottie. I would obviously continue to add talent but I wouldn't add talent for the sole purpose of it fitting around the talents of Franz/Paolo and Scottie.

Do you realize how hard it is to become a top 5 player? I didn't completely write him off, I said it would take unprecedented improvements in his game to become a top 5 player in this league. There is nothing controversial about that. The funny thing is, I'm actually a Paolo fan. I was a fan of his last year and thought the Magic did a great job in drafting him over Chet and Jabari. But just because I like him doesn't mean I think he will be a top 5 player, future of hall of famer and NBA champion. LOL. He's got a lot of work to do and not sure he has that kind of ceiling. Really bad on the defensive end and just not enough potential offensively to make up for it.

Saying he's not a franchise guy isn't me writing him off.

He's in the same boat as Paolo and Franz at the moment. A fantastic building block until proven otherwise.

He's 6'10 and came off a season averaging 20/7/4. Heads to the free throw line more than even Pascal Siakam. Only 20 years old by the way. "Not enough potential offensively" is quite a take.

His defensive issues are severely overrated too.

Just garbage analysis all around lol.

[MoMan24]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy. I'm willing to give him this offseason to improve and see what he can do next season with another coach but he has a long, long way to go before he can reach the level of some of these guys thats hes been compared to.

Say what you will about Pascal, Fred and OG but those guys really put in the work to get where they are now. Same with Kyle. Same with Demar. You could even say the same about Nurse.

I'm not putting this all at the feet of Scottie. Far from it. But these are early warning signs. Y'know? And he's young. I'll give him that. Maybe it'll take some time for him to get it and understand what it takes.

I just don't want to be Bargnani'd again. Where flashes of greatness turn out to be just that, flashes. We should already know that great moments don't make great careers.

He certainly can be a franchise guy, as evidenced by everything he showed in his rookie year. Sophomore we didn't see anything new and some regression shooting, shockingly in areas he was kind of automatic at (paint and mid range). Adjusting his shooting form for deep might have messed with his overall mechanics, and it's really what happens here that will be interesting. I think he'll likely just focus more on paint scoring and attacking like Siakam did after his 3 point shot went away. So is he a better version of Siakam someday? I'm okay with that.

This past season gave me no real reason to pause. Growth isn't linear especially for a guy who has never been a go to scorer in high school in college. Also this past season was a complete **** show in the front office, coaching staff, and on court chemistry and it effected everyone so I don't see how Scottie is immune to that. Hopefully next season he comes in healthy to start the year and as an organization we remove the toxic elements to have a much better season and build back our culture. Year 3 will be huge. I also think Scottie also grew a lot this season. Dealing with expectations, injuries, the media. We will see a better, mentally and physically stronger and more mature Scottie next season 100%. I just hope next season the coach and team drop this trash ass pecking order non sense.

[Los_29]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy. I'm willing to give him this offseason to improve and see what he can do next season with another coach but he has a long, long way to go before he can reach the level of some of these guys thats hes been compared to.

Say what you will about Pascal, Fred and OG but those guys really put in the work to get where they are now. Same with Kyle. Same with Demar. You could even say the same about Nurse.

I'm not putting this all at the feet of Scottie. Far from it. But these are early warning signs. Y'know? And he's young. I'll give him that. Maybe it'll take some time for him to get it and understand what it takes.

I just don't want to be Bargnani'd again. Where flashes of greatness turn out to be just that, flashes. We should already know that great moments don't make great careers.

He certainly can be a franchise guy, as evidenced by everything he showed in his rookie year. Sophomore we didn't see anything new and some regression shooting, shockingly in areas he was kind of automatic at (paint and mid range). Adjusting his shooting form for deep might have messed with his overall mechanics, and it's really what happens here that will be interesting. I think he'll likely just focus more on paint scoring and attacking like Siakam did after his 3 point shot went away. So is he a better version of Siakam someday? I'm okay with that.

This past season gave me no real reason to pause. Growth isn't linear especially for a guy who has never been a go to scorer in high school in college. Also this past season was a complete **** show in the front office, coaching staff, and on court chemistry and it effected everyone so I don't see how Scottie is immune to that. Hopefully next season he comes in healthy to start the year and as an organization we remove the toxic elements to have a much better season and build back our culture. Year 3 will be huge. I also think Scottie also grew a lot this season. Dealing with expectations, injuries, the media. We will see a better, mentally and physically stronger and more mature Scottie next season 100%. I just hope next season the coach and team drop this trash ass pecking order non sense.

The pecking order is a RealGM creation.

[HumbleRen]

The coupling of DeRozan and Gay wasn’t working out, and that had become obvious to anyone who watched the mirror images try to find the space and the shots to coexist. Both were good players on their own, just not together, and there was no way it was going to work out in the long term.

“They had to live in the same space,” then-coach Dwane Casey said in a recent interview. “They were both great mid-range players and we did not space the floor well with those two. They weren’t great enough three-point shooters for people to go out and respect them at the three-point line ...

“We were kind of muddling along and going nowhere, the offence was kind of bogged down. We weren’t terrible defensively, but the offence was just bogged down.”

Time is a flat circle.

[dTox]

The coupling of DeRozan and Gay wasn’t working out, and that had become obvious to anyone who watched the mirror images try to find the space and the shots to coexist. Both were good players on their own, just not together, and there was no way it was going to work out in the long term.

“They had to live in the same space,” then-coach Dwane Casey said in a recent interview. “They were both great mid-range players and we did not space the floor well with those two. They weren’t great enough three-point shooters for people to go out and respect them at the three-point line ...

“We were kind of muddling along and going nowhere, the offence was kind of bogged down. We weren’t terrible defensively, but the offence was just bogged down.”

Time is a flat circle.

Reminds me a lot of the Barnes / Siakam overlap, neither are good shooters from the 3 and both operate in the same space when trying to score....and you have Jakob clogging the paint lol

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[DatHomieYouHaTe]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy.

He won't be. He'll a great building block but the job isn't done yet. We need more young talent to pair beside him.

A Paolo equivalent. Franz has his running mate, Scottie needs his too.

Oh for sure he can be a franchise guy. He just needs to operate in the post and be surrounded by players that suit this skill set. Something in-between a jokic and sabonis type player.

[Vampirate]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy. I'm willing to give him this offseason to improve and see what he can do next season with another coach but he has a long, long way to go before he can reach the level of some of these guys thats hes been compared to.

Say what you will about Pascal, Fred and OG but those guys really put in the work to get where they are now. Same with Kyle. Same with Demar. You could even say the same about Nurse.

I'm not putting this all at the feet of Scottie. Far from it. But these are early warning signs. Y'know? And he's young. I'll give him that. Maybe it'll take some time for him to get it and understand what it takes.

I just don't want to be Bargnani'd again. Where flashes of greatness turn out to be just that, flashes. We should already know that great moments don't make great careers.

He actually did improve, it just wasn't his scoring.

[raptor jesus]

This season's lack of improvement from Scottie has really given me a pause to think he can be the future franchise guy. I'm willing to give him this offseason to improve and see what he can do next season with another coach but he has a long, long way to go before he can reach the level of some of these guys thats hes been compared to.

Say what you will about Pascal, Fred and OG but those guys really put in the work to get where they are now. Same with Kyle. Same with Demar. You could even say the same about Nurse.

I'm not putting this all at the feet of Scottie. Far from it. But these are early warning signs. Y'know? And he's young. I'll give him that. Maybe it'll take some time for him to get it and understand what it takes.

I just don't want to be Bargnani'd again. Where flashes of greatness turn out to be just that, flashes. We should already know that great moments don't make great careers.

He actually did improve, it just wasn't his scoring.

Yeah I'm not sure many noticed but Scottie showed clear improvement as a passer. His AST% went up 6% while his TO% stayed the same. You could see him figuring out how to manipulate at times, and he cut out a lot of his dumb no-look turnovers. A lot of players fall off a bit offensively in their second year as team's focus more attention on them (Tatum for example had a drop off in his 2nd year). But as Scottie's offense comes around again, we'll see the steps he took this season as a passer pay dividends.