2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[WuTang_CMB]

trade him where?

Before you answer, remember they'd have scoot and shape in the backcourt. Simmons too. They'd want a 4 or 5 elite prospect. Find this trade. And he makes a lot of money so you gotta match salary. It has to work for both teams. Make something make sense

Put him on the market and teams will be aggressive for him. Had a very good season last year. Houston could be a player, same with Pelicans. BRK as well with the Bridges connection.

Ok, Pelicans best trade assets are guards. So you have sccot, Sharpe, Daniels, Troy simmons? 5 guards, no bigs? Or are you trading Zion for Dame?

BK? Dame wants to win so you trade him to BK, trade away the only good player they have?

It doesn't make sense. Find something that makes sense

They all make sense because each team has their picks and a combination of young players to unload. If Pelicans are interested they got DD, Trey and picks. Houston young players and picks. These are just a few.

Everyone on POR board wants to trade him and move towards the future. To trade a Miller or Scoot for a Siakam or KAT type deal is dumb. If you were in their position you wouldnt do those deals either.

[NotMyKawhi]

Put him on the market and teams will be aggressive for him. Had a very good season last year. Houston could be a player, same with Pelicans. BRK as well with the Bridges connection.

Ok, Pelicans best trade assets are guards. So you have sccot, Sharpe, Daniels, Troy simmons? 5 guards, no bigs? Or are you trading Zion for Dame?

BK? Dame wants to win so you trade him to BK, trade away the only good player they have?

It doesn't make sense. Find something that makes sense

They all make sense because each team has their picks and a combination of young players to unload. If Pelicans are interested they got DD, Trey and picks. Houston young players and picks. These are just a few.

Everyone on POR board wants to trade him and move towards the future. To trade a Miller or Scoot for a Siakam or KAT type deal is dumb. If you were in their position you wouldnt do those deals either.

Dame wants to win! You aren't gonna be real, idc what they want. Find matching salaries for 50 million, and the team stays championship level. It's not there.

[ATLTimekeeper]

So, day 2 after the lottery, Miller is a lock to go to CHA at 2, but is out of shape and not interviewing well.

They said the same thing about LaMelo, not interviewing well, ahead of his draft. Miller will likely go top 3 regardless.

True, but LeMelo wasn't being asked about his role in a woman's murder a couple of months ago. I can buy that Miller isn't accounting for himself well under that kind of scrutiny.

[WuTang_CMB]

Ok, Pelicans best trade assets are guards. So you have sccot, Sharpe, Daniels, Troy simmons? 5 guards, no bigs? Or are you trading Zion for Dame?

BK? Dame wants to win so you trade him to BK, trade away the only good player they have?

It doesn't make sense. Find something that makes sense

They all make sense because each team has their picks and a combination of young players to unload. If Pelicans are interested they got DD, Trey and picks. Houston young players and picks. These are just a few.

Everyone on POR board wants to trade him and move towards the future. To trade a Miller or Scoot for a Siakam or KAT type deal is dumb. If you were in their position you wouldnt do those deals either.

Dame wants to win! You aren't gonna be real, idc what they want. Find matching salaries for 50 million, and the team stays championship level. It's not there.

The deals are there as I just pointed out. Pelicans got a good roster and smacked with injuries last season. Offloading young guys and picks for dame puts them into contention. If houston gets harden and makes other moves, thats another team. These will be all winning scenarios for Dame and a lot better than his situation now.

[NotMyKawhi]

They all make sense because each team has their picks and a combination of young players to unload. If Pelicans are interested they got DD, Trey and picks. Houston young players and picks. These are just a few.

Everyone on POR board wants to trade him and move towards the future. To trade a Miller or Scoot for a Siakam or KAT type deal is dumb. If you were in their position you wouldnt do those deals either.

Dame wants to win! You aren't gonna be real, idc what they want. Find matching salaries for 50 million, and the team stays championship level. It's not there.

The deals are there as I just pointed out. Pelicans got a good roster and smacked with injuries last season. Offloading young guys and picks for dame puts them into contention. If houston gets harden and makes other moves, thats another team. These will be all winning scenarios for Dame and a lot better than his situation now.

You never pointed out nothing. Houston trades for his 50 million salary, they can't sign harden. Pelicans only have guards to trade them and they already have scoot, Simmons, and share.

Nothing you're saying is making any sense.

[WuTang_CMB]

Dame wants to win! You aren't gonna be real, idc what they want. Find matching salaries for 50 million, and the team stays championship level. It's not there.

The deals are there as I just pointed out. Pelicans got a good roster and smacked with injuries last season. Offloading young guys and picks for dame puts them into contention. If houston gets harden and makes other moves, thats another team. These will be all winning scenarios for Dame and a lot better than his situation now.

You never pointed out nothing. Houston trades for his 50 million salary, they can't sign harden. Pelicans only have guards to trade them and they already have scoot, Simmons, and share.

Nothing you're saying is making any sense.

Well it’s clearly been explained to you, not sure what you dont understand. POR’s focus is to get picks and young talent - they are rebuilding with this move. If it’s DD or trey and picks - why wouldnt that entertain POR? It would.

Trading Dame is the best move for them. Everyone knows it. Just because you want Scoot or Miller and want Raps to trade Siakam for them doesn’t mean that Cronin will listen to you.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The Miller comps with Paul George are spot on. I can see why he's getting talked about at #2.

[NotMyKawhi]

:crazy:

The deals are there as I just pointed out. Pelicans got a good roster and smacked with injuries last season. Offloading young guys and picks for dame puts them into contention. If houston gets harden and makes other moves, thats another team. These will be all winning scenarios for Dame and a lot better than his situation now.

You never pointed out nothing. Houston trades for his 50 million salary, they can't sign harden. Pelicans only have guards to trade them and they already have scoot, Simmons, and share.

Nothing you're saying is making any sense.

Well it’s clearly been explained to you, not sure what you dont understand. POR’s focus is to get picks and young talent - they are rebuilding with this move. If it’s DD or trey and picks - why wouldnt that entertain POR? It would.

Trading Dame is the best move for them. Everyone knows it. Just because you want Scoot or Miller and want Raps to trade Siakam for them doesn’t mean that Cronin will listen to you.

dude, do you listen? They have scoot, shape and simmons and you want them to trade dame for 2 guards? And match the 50 million salary too. There's rules when making trades. think w/o bias for one second. find a trade that makes sense and follows league rules

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

The Miller comps with Paul George are spot on. I can see why he's getting talked about at #2.

Brandon Miller isn't going to make an all-defense team a single time during his NBA career. A great deal of PG's value is the defense he provides and it makes up for his subpar efficiency from 2.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The Miller comps with Paul George are spot on. I can see why he's getting talked about at #2.

Brandon Miller isn't going to make an all-defense team a single time during his NBA career.

He's not bad on that end either, he's a blk/stl guy.

[Reeko]

The Miller comps with Paul George are spot on. I can see why he's getting talked about at #2.

I think PG was/is way more athletic than Miller. Strong possibility that Danny Granger is a better comp.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The Miller comps with Paul George are spot on. I can see why he's getting talked about at #2.

I think PG was/is way more athletic than Miller. Strong possibility that Danny Granger is a better comp.

He's got a decent all-around game, with that 6'9" frame.

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[WuTang_CMB]

:crazy:

You never pointed out nothing. Houston trades for his 50 million salary, they can't sign harden. Pelicans only have guards to trade them and they already have scoot, Simmons, and share.

Nothing you're saying is making any sense.

Well it’s clearly been explained to you, not sure what you dont understand. POR’s focus is to get picks and young talent - they are rebuilding with this move. If it’s DD or trey and picks - why wouldnt that entertain POR? It would.

Trading Dame is the best move for them. Everyone knows it. Just because you want Scoot or Miller and want Raps to trade Siakam for them doesn’t mean that Cronin will listen to you.

dude, do you listen? They have scoot, shape and simmons and you want them to trade dame for 2 guards? And match the 50 million salary too. There's rules when making trades. think w/o bias for one second. find a trade that makes sense and follows league rules

Look up what position Trey Murphy plays. Also, rebuilding trade targets are getting young players and picks - they dont worry about overlap. Obviously all these deals need matching salary thats why McCollum would need to be in included and likely in a 3 way. The deals are there for Dame. Go on the POR board they have a bunch of other proposals plus the ones I just gave you.

[NotMyKawhi]

:crazy:

Well it’s clearly been explained to you, not sure what you dont understand. POR’s focus is to get picks and young talent - they are rebuilding with this move. If it’s DD or trey and picks - why wouldnt that entertain POR? It would.

Trading Dame is the best move for them. Everyone knows it. Just because you want Scoot or Miller and want Raps to trade Siakam for them doesn’t mean that Cronin will listen to you.

dude, do you listen? They have scoot, shape and simmons and you want them to trade dame for 2 guards? And match the 50 million salary too. There's rules when making trades. think w/o bias for one second. find a trade that makes sense and follows league rules

Look up what position Trey Murphy plays. Also, rebuilding trade targets are getting young players and picks - they dont worry about overlap. Obviously all these deals need matching salary thats why McCollum would need to be in included and likely in a 3 way. The deals are there for Dame. Go on the POR board they have a bunch of other proposals plus the ones I just gave you.

so CJ too?

Dame BI and half a season Zion is championship level?

[Dalek]

Jordan Walsh had a much better day two doing his usual boxscore filling: 15/7/5 plus 2 steals and 1 block and 7 FTA.
Amari Bailey 19/6/2 so 14 assists to 5 turnovers in 2 days but only one made three which is going to be what he needs to work on.
Terq Smith 20 and 4 assists is not bad. From the comments here it sounded like he had a terrible game.

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Amari shot 38.9% from 3 in college. Not really something he has to work on. He’s proven to be a capable shooter

He did shoot a good percentage. The problem is volume. He only shot 54 threes in 30 games which is very low volume for a SG or combo. He also lived off created shots for him as 81% of his threes were assisted. I just don't see him yet as a guy who is a shooting threat - more of a live dribble threat with some good midrange game.

[Dalek]

Thinking about that second half of the lottery:

8 WAS Cason Wallace - Defensive PG to pair with Beal
9 UTA Gradey Dick - Perfect shooter to pair with Kessler/Markanen
10 DAL Taylor Hendricks - Fills the Dorian Finney Smith role
11 ORL Jordan Hawkins - This team desperately need a shooter
12 OKC Leonard Miller - Nice frontcourt option to pair with Chet
13 TOR Anthony Black

I am set on Washington because Cason will win them over as a special defender and perfect guard for them.

Utah may want Black but I think the shooting Dick offers is special enough that they go with BPA - plus this is the market for a tall white shooter.

I don't think Dallas would skip on Hendricks because of his 3 and D and no need for a connector with Luka and Kyrie.

Orlando could go with Keyonte or Hawkins. They need scoring punch because they already have size so no need for another non-shooting PG.

OKC is the toughest to deal with. They may like Miller because he fits who they look for, but I could see Kobe Bufkin if they want another driver. No way they want Black with Giddey and Jalen Williams and SGA eating possessions.

So, does Toronto draft Anthony Black over a Kobe Bufkin or a Hood-Schifino? Black is the best true PG option - excellent driver and can play off ball as a cutter with high level finishing and the defense is excellent. Ran Spain pick and roll and will likely get to do the same in Toronto with Poeltl. Problem is the shooting and spacing he has to work with in Toronto.

Either way, I can very easily see him falling to Toronto barring Utah using their pick on him.

[WuTang_CMB]

dude, do you listen? They have scoot, shape and simmons and you want them to trade dame for 2 guards? And match the 50 million salary too. There's rules when making trades. think w/o bias for one second. find a trade that makes sense and follows league rules

Look up what position Trey Murphy plays. Also, rebuilding trade targets are getting young players and picks - they dont worry about overlap. Obviously all these deals need matching salary thats why McCollum would need to be in included and likely in a 3 way. The deals are there for Dame. Go on the POR board they have a bunch of other proposals plus the ones I just gave you.

so CJ too?

Dame BI and half a season Zion is championship level?

JV, Herb Jones. Considering that group was at the top of the West for beginning of the year, yes. If Zion stays healthy they are a legit contender. Name another lineup better. This is all hypothetical and I got too far but thats just one example of where Dame can go.

[planetmars]

Anyone have their white board yet? Ie, your top 13?

Here is mine. Call it big board v2 (v1 is posted in a different forum).

1. Wembanyama
2. Miller
3. Sasser
4. Henderson
5. Dick
6. Hendricks
7. Wallace
8. Whitmore
9. Hawkins
10. Sensabaugh
11. Bufkin
12. George
13. Miller

Quick notes:
- I'm in love with Sasser. I think he's the best PG in this class and would take him at 13. Wouldn't even trade down since I'd be scared someone took him. Yup my love is irrational but don't care.
- No love for the Thompson twins. Going to the Overtime Elite was a bad call. Too risky for me.
- Scoot's lack of shooting worries me (under 28% in the g-league from 3). He's gone before we pick but he's below Sasser for me. I do like his explosiveness. Ja is a good comp. Non-gun toting Ja is exciting but his lack of shooting can be a problem. Need a guard that can shoot in our system. Especially with Scottie there too.
- Dick and Hendricks I think are the best two pure shooters in the draft.
- Wallace I think is the next best PG. Kawhi like PG is all I needed to hear.
- Whitmore is a Nova guard. Can't go wrong there.. despite not having Jay Wright to coach him.
- Hawkins/Brice/Kobe are pretty interchangeable. Can really flip them around in any way. I do like Hawkins probably more but it's super close.
- Keyonte's stats worry me. 30%+ usage and bad efficiency stand out. But he was apparently injured. So will use that as an excuse.
- Leonard Miller has a lot of tools to be a really good player in the league so my final pick.

[tdotrep2]

wait do the spurs own our 2nd rounder this year?

[JShuttlesworth]

Here's 5 Players outside the lottery that I think can develop into solid NBA role players:

- Marcus Sasser
- Kris Murray
- Trayce Jackson-Davis
- Jordan Walsh
- Keyontae Johnson

I don't think any of these guys are in play with the 13th pick, but if we are active on the trade market and acquire another pick, some of them might be.