2023 NBA Draft Thread

[JMAC3]

Seriously, lets please not do this nonsense on here.

Bryce McGowens age 20 GLeague season vs Scoot Henderson age 19 season
(regular season + showcase)

Bryce McGowens
per75 poss: 22.4 pts ~ 4.0 reb ~ 4.1 ast ~ 1.7 stl ~ 0.2 blk ~ 2.5 tov
55.3% 2pt(10.4) ~ 21.8% 3pt(5.5) ~ 82.8% ft(5.8)
108.4 ORtg / 116.6 DRtg (-8.2 net) ~ -9.7 bpm ~ 26.4% usg ~ 1.64 ast/tov

Scoot Henderson
per75 poss: 20.6 pts ~ 5.9 reb ~ 7.7 ast ~ 1.4 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 3.9 tov ~ 3.7 pf
47.2% 2pt(14.1) ~ 32.4% 3pt(3.2) ~ 75.0% ft(3.4)
114.4 ORtg / 115.8 DRtg (-1.4 net) ~ -1.8 bpm ~ 27.7% usg ~ 1.98 ast/tov

Scoot was way better in the GLeague last season than McGowens.

Way better? we must have different definitions about what that means.
Scoot has better advanced metrics, but McGowens also played half the games, not sure I would trust a bpm on that small of a sample.
But yeah in raw numbers McGowens was better at scoring, better from 2, better at the FT line, better at getting to the FT line, more steals... McGowens was worse from deep, but at least was attempting to shoot them.

I am not trying to derail the thread, but again just saying Scoot was young feels incredibly lazy.

and of course I am taking Scoot over McGowens, but that doesn't mean he is a total blip on the radar when comparing them.

[Snidely FC]

I can't speak to his drive...all I know is the day after the infamous shooting incident, Miller, under a significant microscope, put up 41 pts including a game tying lefty drive to send the game to OT after which he woofed at his teammates on the bench to fire them up and then added a game winning drive with .08 secs left. If that's indicative of his competitive nature, this team could use him

Watch on YouTube

[MasterIchiro]

This is **** hopeless.

warned #2

[JMAC3]

And the catchers who hit like the Designated Hitter (McGowens role) typically SUCK at catching and STILL make the HOF.

Ya been Mike Piazza'd by the Master.

This analogy aint it my guy....
Running the team is part of playing the position, Scoot doesn't get some magical pass.

I don't even know what else to say about this because it is just so far into left field.

[MasterIchiro]

And the catchers who hit like the Designated Hitter (McGowens role) typically SUCK at catching and STILL make the HOF.

Ya been Mike Piazza'd by the Master.

This analogy aint it my guy....
Running the team is part of playing the position, Scoot doesn't get some magical pass.

I don't even know what else to say about this because it is just so far into left field.

He's not getting a magic pass my guy.

He's getting comped more appropriately to LaMelo Ball.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/lamelo-ball-1.html

[MasterIchiro]

Seriously, lets please not do this nonsense on here.

Bryce McGowens age 20 GLeague season vs Scoot Henderson age 19 season
(regular season + showcase)

Bryce McGowens
per75 poss: 22.4 pts ~ 4.0 reb ~ 4.1 ast ~ 1.7 stl ~ 0.2 blk ~ 2.5 tov
55.3% 2pt(10.4) ~ 21.8% 3pt(5.5) ~ 82.8% ft(5.8)
108.4 ORtg / 116.6 DRtg (-8.2 net) ~ -9.7 bpm ~ 26.4% usg ~ 1.64 ast/tov

Scoot Henderson
per75 poss: 20.6 pts ~ 5.9 reb ~ 7.7 ast ~ 1.4 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 3.9 tov
47.2% 2pt(14.1) ~ 32.4% 3pt(3.2) ~ 75.0% ft(3.4)
114.4 ORtg / 115.7 DRtg (-1.3 net) ~ -1.8 bpm ~ 27.6% usg ~ 2.00 ast/tov

Scoot was way better in the GLeague last season than McGowens.

See what happened after you took his bait? He continues to drag in McGowens instead of correcting course and making the more appropriate stat comp with someone charged with his identical positional responsibilities.

And after the stinker of a tournament Miller had (he was cooked), he dismisses it by deflecting to how Scoot shut it down at the end (likely to guard against injury risk due to increased fatigue).

So he's going to continue to go back and forth with the McGowens BS. I can't.

I stand by my statement. If Kupchak drafts Miller over Scoot I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood.

[JMAC3]

Seriously, lets please not do this nonsense on here.

Bryce McGowens age 20 GLeague season vs Scoot Henderson age 19 season
(regular season + showcase)

Bryce McGowens
per75 poss: 22.4 pts ~ 4.0 reb ~ 4.1 ast ~ 1.7 stl ~ 0.2 blk ~ 2.5 tov
55.3% 2pt(10.4) ~ 21.8% 3pt(5.5) ~ 82.8% ft(5.8)
108.4 ORtg / 116.6 DRtg (-8.2 net) ~ -9.7 bpm ~ 26.4% usg ~ 1.64 ast/tov

Scoot Henderson
per75 poss: 20.6 pts ~ 5.9 reb ~ 7.7 ast ~ 1.4 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 3.9 tov
47.2% 2pt(14.1) ~ 32.4% 3pt(3.2) ~ 75.0% ft(3.4)
114.4 ORtg / 115.7 DRtg (-1.3 net) ~ -1.8 bpm ~ 27.6% usg ~ 2.00 ast/tov

Scoot was way better in the GLeague last season than McGowens.

See what happened after you took his bait? He continues to drag in McGowens instead of correcting course and making the more appropriate stat comp with someone charged with his identical positional responsibilities.

And after the stinker of a tournament Miller had (he was cooked), he dismisses it by deflecting to how Scoot shut it down at the end (likely to guard against injury risk due to increased fatigue).

So he's going to continue to go back and forth with the McGowens BS. I can't.

I stand by my statement. If Kupchak drafts Miller over Scoot I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood.

Yeah, if he takes a top 3 prospect over another top 3 prospect, who could blame you.

[MasterIchiro]

Seriously, lets please not do this nonsense on here.

Bryce McGowens age 20 GLeague season vs Scoot Henderson age 19 season
(regular season + showcase)

Bryce McGowens
per75 poss: 22.4 pts ~ 4.0 reb ~ 4.1 ast ~ 1.7 stl ~ 0.2 blk ~ 2.5 tov
55.3% 2pt(10.4) ~ 21.8% 3pt(5.5) ~ 82.8% ft(5.8)
108.4 ORtg / 116.6 DRtg (-8.2 net) ~ -9.7 bpm ~ 26.4% usg ~ 1.64 ast/tov

Scoot Henderson
per75 poss: 20.6 pts ~ 5.9 reb ~ 7.7 ast ~ 1.4 stl ~ 0.5 blk ~ 3.9 tov
47.2% 2pt(14.1) ~ 32.4% 3pt(3.2) ~ 75.0% ft(3.4)
114.4 ORtg / 115.7 DRtg (-1.3 net) ~ -1.8 bpm ~ 27.6% usg ~ 2.00 ast/tov

Scoot was way better in the GLeague last season than McGowens.

See what happened after you took his bait? He continues to drag in McGowens instead of correcting course and making the more appropriate stat comp with someone charged with his identical positional responsibilities.

And after the stinker of a tournament Miller had (he was cooked), he dismisses it by deflecting to how Scoot shut it down at the end (likely to guard against injury risk due to increased fatigue).

So he's going to continue to go back and forth with the McGowens BS. I can't.

I stand by my statement. If Kupchak drafts Miller over Scoot I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood.

Yeah, if he takes a top 3 prospect over another top 3 prospect, who could blame you.

Yeah, especially when one of the top-3 prospects is more comparable to Bryce McGowens than LaMelo Ball yet still top-3 somehow.

I'm clinging HARD to my Celtics fanhood. If we win the whole enchilada I could lose it all if Kupchak doesn't take the dude who's nothing special compared to McGowens a second round pick.

[SWedd523]

What the hell happened in this thread?

[JMAC3]

Idk but the Celtics are being brought up for some reason over and over

[Diop]

I won’t be angry with either pick, all the debating sort of proves how close these 2 prospects are.

I keep changing my mind, but still leaning slightly miller.

I see some people still take internet discussions way to seriously and personally

[JMAC3]

I think it is close too. Neither prospect is without their faults. The whole fit narrative has taken over a bit too much though as many scouts/front offices/draft experts had Miller over Scoot ever before seeing who was picking 2nd. So this narrative of Scoot is BPA, but Miller is Best fit doesn't really hold up if you look into.

Scoot weaknesses are size, shooting, defense and production was iffy.
Strengths are speed, quickness, length, aggressiveness and 3 level scoring potential.
Passing and Handle seem pretty solid, but not outside world.

Miller weaknesses are vertical jumping, age and faded down the stretch.
Strengths are shooting, playmaking, Size, Length, and Rebounding.
Defense and Handle are pretty solid, but not outside this world.

Neither are perfect, both can improve and both have special physical attributes that are rare for their skill level.

[luciano-davidwesley]

If it happens, I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood effective IMMEDIATELY.

Who cares.

[MasterIchiro]

If it happens, I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood effective IMMEDIATELY.

Who cares.

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Warned #3

[luciano-davidwesley]

If it happens, I vow to renounce my Celtics fanhood effective IMMEDIATELY.

Who cares.

Troll

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Game two is tomorrow - If you don't stop I'll start supporting the Heat

[amcoolio]

Scoot is closer to being an all-star guard who hits 3's at a great rate than Miller being an all-star guard/forward who puts it all together, IMO

Zach Lowe saying Miller is out of shape is a huge, ginormous, whopping red flag, I mean dude you have one job, and millions of dollars and international fame is on the line

[MasterIchiro]

Who cares.

I don't give a **** if you care or not.

Game two is tomorrow - If you don't stop I'll start supporting the Heat

I've never been to Colorado except passing through where I saw the Great Continental Divide. But I heard Denver is a cool.

That's a threat.

[SWedd523]

Scoot is closer to being an all-star guard who hits 3's at a great rate than Miller being an all-star guard/forward who puts it all together, IMO

Zach Lowe saying Miller is out of shape is a huge, ginormous, whopping red flag, I mean dude you have one job, and millions of dollars and international fame is on the line

Didn't some tweet come out earlier today saying he was crushing interviews and everyone was impressed by how mature he seemed?

Now he's bombing workouts and is Zion fat.

*Clicks clicks clicks*

[JMAC3]

Scoot is closer to being an all-star guard who hits 3's at a great rate than Miller being an all-star guard/forward who puts it all together, IMO

Zach Lowe saying Miller is out of shape is a huge, ginormous, whopping red flag, I mean dude you have one job, and millions of dollars and international fame is on the line

Barlowe said he had heard he had Tonsilitis or Mono.

Weird that we are getting conflicting reports on his interviews tho.
Woj said they were good.
Givony said they weren't.. yet he has him 2nd.

Idk if this is a smokescreen or teams in the 3-6 range trying to get him to fall.

[driveandkick]

I think personally my biggest problem is I’m so deep in the trenches of NBA Draft twitter, and that sphere seems convinced Scoot is SPECIAL while Miller is overhyped. There are certainly some people who know ball at a high level on twitter, but I often have to remind myself these are people on twitter and not actually representative of how the league views these guys.

So I fully anticipate having to deal with the ‘LOL TYPICAL HORNETS’ stuff if they take Miller over Scoot, but the reality is it SOUNDS like there are plenty of teams across the league that have Miller as player 2.

I think the best selling point for Miller as player 2 really comes down to positional value. Miller’s high end comps are Tatum/PG whereas Scoot’s are Rose/Russ. All four amazing players, but the former is a player archetype that really we’ve never had and it’s the most valuable piece in the league. I do worry about Miller’s shot creation in the NBA give his average at best athleticism/explosiveness.

I know we’ll never know but I’m also super super curious to see if Miller’s gun situation plays into our evaluation/decision at all. Our situation is typically peculiar considering we’re likely going to bring Miles back.