Doc Rivers has been fired

[brannigan73]

I really hate the idea of Harden have literally any say in the staff or roster of this team. He’s been here for 1.5 years and choked in 2nd round twice. Why the f*ck should we be consulting him on anything?

I hate having Doc as the coach more. Do you really think Doc would have kept his job if Harden didnt say anything?

[hookshot199]

Last nights Heat win showed me the advantage of 3 point shooting.

And good coaching.

[brannigan73]

Last nights Heat win showed me the advantage of 3 point shooting.

And good coaching.

We were the best percentage three point team in the league much better then the Heat. Can't ball up and choke though and miss shots you made all year like the Sixers did.

[eyeatoma]

Last nights Heat win showed me the advantage of 3 point shooting. They shot 52 percent vs Celtics at 35 percent. That’s the game right there. Butler had a lot of help from multiple players. He was featured at the end with the lead, and Mazulla was outcoached evidenced by shutting down Tatum. Our defense overall is better. I find some of the takes here perplexing. Harden won two playoff games, the team won one, we lost 2 trying to knock rust off. I would say the other two lost was a combination of players missing shots, lack of adjustment, overall poor play by every player not just a couple. Why would you want Harden to walk? The problem here is leadership and overall execution of a dynamic offense. One that doesn’t rely on 35+ points from one player to win games and see that drop 10 in the playoffs because the floor spacing collapses. Harden doesn’t want to be the primary scorer, he’s not saying that, he wants an offense that flows better and isn’t standing around every other play. Yes Harden is bluffing to a degree but not for the wrong reasons. There’s no reason you can’t keep the free agents we have that will fit a more dynamic system with a better coach. You just have to go into the luxury tax to do it and pretty deep. This is why he didn’t sign a long term contract, he can leverage the owner to go all in.

The issues is the massive inconsitency of Harden. He won us two games, but he lost us 3 games. The last game was also 100% also on Embiid, but game 6, that's on Harden, as are the other losses. Not 100% obviously but he played a huge role. Game 7 was a catastrophe for Harden of epic proportions. Less than 10 points, as one of the greatest scorers of all time?

So, you have a 34 year old, who is only going to continue to get worse, has unpredictable injuries, it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. He didn't need to get 45 for us, I mean for those games he did, but if he had averaged 25ppg we would have won the games we had lost. He's just too inconsistent and committing 4 years to a guy like that, seems to be extremely risky.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

^Agree with Eyeatoma, it's a huge risk. I'm definitely fine letting him go elsewhere while exploring a S&T option. I'm also fine bringing him back on another 1 year deal. What I don't want to see happen is him locked in to a 4 year deal worth 200 million dollars. His physical decline is very real. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. He's nowhere near worth that kind of money.

[the_process]

I really hate the idea of Harden have literally any say in the staff or roster of this team. He’s been here for 1.5 years and choked in 2nd round twice. Why the f*ck should we be consulting him on anything?

I hate having Doc as the coach more. Do you really think Doc would have kept his job if Harden didn't say anything?

Might have. Harden was right, but it still leaves a gross feeling.

This entire team, as a matter of fact, leaves a gross feeling.

[mjkvol]

I really hate the idea of Harden have literally any say in the staff or roster of this team. He’s been here for 1.5 years and choked in 2nd round twice. Why the f*ck should we be consulting him on anything?

I hate having Doc as the coach more. Do you really think Doc would have kept his job if Harden didnt say anything?

Exactly. If Harden had a single thing to do with a firing that should have happened two years ago, I say "thanks", regardless where he ends up this off season.

[Embiid P]

I'm fairly certain that Doc was getting fired regardless of Harden's postgame comments. He had three chances to get us past the 2nd round and he failed all three times. Mind you, the players certainly deserve to be blamed as well but a good coach puts his players in the best position to win games and Doc fails to do that when it matters most.

[M2J]

I really hate the idea of Harden have literally any say in the staff or roster of this team. He’s been here for 1.5 years and choked in 2nd round twice. Why the f*ck should we be consulting him on anything?

I hate having Doc as the coach more. Do you really think Doc would have kept his job if Harden didn't say anything?

Might have. Harden was right, but it still leaves a gross feeling.

This entire team, as a matter of fact, leaves a gross feeling.

Doesn't matter if he had a saying firing Doc Rivers or not.. I think that was probably going to happen regardless, and I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted out. I think change was needed as well. I came up with 3 adjustments that could've been made vs Boston after game 6. I know the 3rd quarter dropped on their heads like a ton of bricks, but Tatum was already hot.... An adjustment should've been made at half time.

But if he has say in hiring Mike D'antoni you guys should be pissed. Or say in any decisions period. But, if Rivers doesn't have adjustments (which he made several actually) wait until you get ole Mike in there playing everyone 40 minutes, without a care for defense

[Jay555]

If anyone thinks Glenn would not be fired after another sec round exit, they are delusional, regardless of how he was fired.

[HardenGoat]

^Agree with Eyeatoma, it's a huge risk. I'm definitely fine letting him go elsewhere while exploring a S&T option. I'm also fine bringing him back on another 1 year deal. What I don't want to see happen is him locked in to a 4 year deal worth 200 million dollars. His physical decline is very real. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. He's nowhere near worth that kind of money.

He’s not getting 200 million. I don’t think he will get a full 4 year deal either. Likely 3 with an option. The money doesn’t change anything though in terms of roster options, it only affects the owners pocket. Harden took the discount for 3 reasons. He wanted to remain flexible, he wanted to bring in Tucker and House, and he got the team under the tax to avoid the repeater and additionally save the owner 15 million by being in the disbursement money of the taxed teams. What players lately have done that? Because he sacrificed 15 million himself prior to the trade deadline signing, the salary slots of House and Tucker represent slots that would not have even been there. I call those salary assets since it gives Morey those slots to use to make trades, or simply keep the players that are currently occupying them. Even if Harden left, the team would still have those players they wouldn’t have had otherwise. That’s another way Harden made the team itself more flexible for future improvement. Harden is actively trying to improve the team, this started before he even signed here. There is no way this wasn’t discussed back then because he wouldn’t have done that in the first place if he was just after money. I believe at this point Harden is waiting to see if the owner will let the free agents sign and leave the team to save himself money. This is why he needed to create leverage for himself to make sure he wasn’t getting locked into a cheap owner situation again. He wants to compete for a title. Otherwise he might as well go back to Houston and just play ball.

[the_process]

^Agree with Eyeatoma, it's a huge risk. I'm definitely fine letting him go elsewhere while exploring a S&T option. I'm also fine bringing him back on another 1 year deal. What I don't want to see happen is him locked in to a 4 year deal worth 200 million dollars. His physical decline is very real. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. He's nowhere near worth that kind of money.

He’s not getting 200 million. I don’t think he will get a full 4 year deal either. Likely 3 with an option. The money doesn’t change anything though in terms of roster options, it only affects the owners pocket. Harden took the discount for 3 reasons. He wanted to remain flexible, he wanted to bring in Tucker and House, and he got the team under the tax to avoid the repeater and additionally save the owner 15 million by being in the disbursement money of the taxed teams. What players lately have done that? Because he sacrificed 15 million himself prior to the trade deadline signing, the salary slots of House and Tucker represent slots that would not have even been there. I call those salary assets since it gives Morey those slots to use to make trades, or simply keep the players that are currently occupying them. Even if Harden left, the team would still have those players they wouldn’t have had otherwise. That’s another way Harden made the team itself more flexible for future improvement. Harden is actively trying to improve the team, this started before he even signed here. There is no way this wasn’t discussed back then because he wouldn’t have done that in the first place if he was just after money.

Harden saying I’ll take less but you have to overpay my guys is not really taking less.

Just like now when he says I’ll re-sign but only if you fire Glenn and make Jo the secondary option.

Conditions to a discounted scenario end up costing more than no conditions at full price.

I do think Morey will offer Harden the full 4-208 or whatever it is. Small saving grace… over 38 rule saves the Sixers from a 60M fifth year.

[HardenGoat]

^Agree with Eyeatoma, it's a huge risk. I'm definitely fine letting him go elsewhere while exploring a S&T option. I'm also fine bringing him back on another 1 year deal. What I don't want to see happen is him locked in to a 4 year deal worth 200 million dollars. His physical decline is very real. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. He's nowhere near worth that kind of money.

He’s not getting 200 million. I don’t think he will get a full 4 year deal either. Likely 3 with an option. The money doesn’t change anything though in terms of roster options, it only affects the owners pocket. Harden took the discount for 3 reasons. He wanted to remain flexible, he wanted to bring in Tucker and House, and he got the team under the tax to avoid the repeater and additionally save the owner 15 million by being in the disbursement money of the taxed teams. What players lately have done that? Because he sacrificed 15 million himself prior to the trade deadline signing, the salary slots of House and Tucker represent slots that would not have even been there. I call those salary assets since it gives Morey those slots to use to make trades, or simply keep the players that are currently occupying them. Even if Harden left, the team would still have those players they wouldn’t have had otherwise. That’s another way Harden made the team itself more flexible for future improvement. Harden is actively trying to improve the team, this started before he even signed here. There is no way this wasn’t discussed back then because he wouldn’t have done that in the first place if he was just after money.

Harden saying I’ll take less but you have to overpay my guys is not really taking less.

Just like now when he says I’ll re-sign but only if you fire Glenn and make Jo the secondary option.

Conditions to a discounted scenario end up costing more than no conditions at full price.

I do think Morey will offer Harden the full 4-208 or whatever it is. Small saving grace… over 38 rule saves the Sixers from a 60M fifth year.

House and Tucker were already going to be payed. Harden had nothing to do with the “overpaid” narrative. Heat would have overpaid Tucker and he wouldn’t exist here nor would House. Melton would have been here and a couple bare minimums. Harden would just be making more and getting beef about his salary and length of his contract. The question came up what could we get for Tucker. Probably more than what a bare minimum would fetch.

[FlyingArrow]

^Agree with Eyeatoma, it's a huge risk. I'm definitely fine letting him go elsewhere while exploring a S&T option. I'm also fine bringing him back on another 1 year deal. What I don't want to see happen is him locked in to a 4 year deal worth 200 million dollars. His physical decline is very real. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. He's nowhere near worth that kind of money.

He’s not getting 200 million. I don’t think he will get a full 4 year deal either. Likely 3 with an option. The money doesn’t change anything though in terms of roster options, it only affects the owners pocket. Harden took the discount for 3 reasons. He wanted to remain flexible, he wanted to bring in Tucker and House, and he got the team under the tax to avoid the repeater and additionally save the owner 15 million by being in the disbursement money of the taxed teams. What players lately have done that? Because he sacrificed 15 million himself prior to the trade deadline signing, the salary slots of House and Tucker represent slots that would not have even been there. I call those salary assets since it gives Morey those slots to use to make trades, or simply keep the players that are currently occupying them. Even if Harden left, the team would still have those players they wouldn’t have had otherwise. That’s another way Harden made the team itself more flexible for future improvement. Harden is actively trying to improve the team, this started before he even signed here. There is no way this wasn’t discussed back then because he wouldn’t have done that in the first place if he was just after money.

Harden saying I’ll take less but you have to overpay my guys is not really taking less.

Just like now when he says I’ll re-sign but only if you fire Glenn and make Jo the secondary option.

Conditions to a discounted scenario end up costing more than no conditions at full price.

I do think Morey will offer Harden the full 4-208 or whatever it is. Small saving grace… over 38 rule saves the Sixers from a 60M fifth year.

I don't think anyone else is going to offer Harden a full 4-208, so there's really no reason why we should. That would be a huge mistake.

[rocketsfan100]

^Agree with Eyeatoma, it's a huge risk. I'm definitely fine letting him go elsewhere while exploring a S&T option. I'm also fine bringing him back on another 1 year deal. What I don't want to see happen is him locked in to a 4 year deal worth 200 million dollars. His physical decline is very real. Anyone that says otherwise is delusional. He's nowhere near worth that kind of money.

He’s not getting 200 million. I don’t think he will get a full 4 year deal either. Likely 3 with an option. The money doesn’t change anything though in terms of roster options, it only affects the owners pocket. Harden took the discount for 3 reasons. He wanted to remain flexible, he wanted to bring in Tucker and House, and he got the team under the tax to avoid the repeater and additionally save the owner 15 million by being in the disbursement money of the taxed teams. What players lately have done that? Because he sacrificed 15 million himself prior to the trade deadline signing, the salary slots of House and Tucker represent slots that would not have even been there. I call those salary assets since it gives Morey those slots to use to make trades, or simply keep the players that are currently occupying them. Even if Harden left, the team would still have those players they wouldn’t have had otherwise. That’s another way Harden made the team itself more flexible for future improvement. Harden is actively trying to improve the team, this started before he even signed here. There is no way this wasn’t discussed back then because he wouldn’t have done that in the first place if he was just after money.

Harden saying I’ll take less but you have to overpay my guys is not really taking less.

Just like now when he says I’ll re-sign but only if you fire Glenn and make Jo the secondary option.

Conditions to a discounted scenario end up costing more than no conditions at full price.

I do think Morey will offer Harden the full 4-208 or whatever it is. Small saving grace… over 38 rule saves the Sixers from a 60M fifth year.

There is no chance on gods green earth that Morey can or will be allowed by the Sixers owners to offer 4 year 200 million dollar contract. Not happening. I can’t see the Sixers offering anything more then a 140 million 4 year deal. I honestly doubt even a 4 year contract. I think probaly a 3 year 110 million at max

[HardenGoat]

Iam a Harden fan despite some of his shortcomings but Iam with Rocketsfan100 on that one. 3/120. Similar to the CP3 deal the Suns got at his age.

[rocketsfan100]

Iam a Harden fan despite some of his shortcomings but Iam with Rocketsfan100 on that one. 3/120. Similar to the CP3 deal the Suns got at his age.

There are rumours that Houston will offer him a 4 year 140 million dollar contract. I think he will most likely take that.

[the_process]

He’s not getting 200 million. I don’t think he will get a full 4 year deal either. Likely 3 with an option. The money doesn’t change anything though in terms of roster options, it only affects the owners pocket. Harden took the discount for 3 reasons. He wanted to remain flexible, he wanted to bring in Tucker and House, and he got the team under the tax to avoid the repeater and additionally save the owner 15 million by being in the disbursement money of the taxed teams. What players lately have done that? Because he sacrificed 15 million himself prior to the trade deadline signing, the salary slots of House and Tucker represent slots that would not have even been there. I call those salary assets since it gives Morey those slots to use to make trades, or simply keep the players that are currently occupying them. Even if Harden left, the team would still have those players they wouldn’t have had otherwise. That’s another way Harden made the team itself more flexible for future improvement. Harden is actively trying to improve the team, this started before he even signed here. There is no way this wasn’t discussed back then because he wouldn’t have done that in the first place if he was just after money.

Harden saying I’ll take less but you have to overpay my guys is not really taking less.

Just like now when he says I’ll re-sign but only if you fire Glenn and make Jo the secondary option.

Conditions to a discounted scenario end up costing more than no conditions at full price.

I do think Morey will offer Harden the full 4-208 or whatever it is. Small saving grace… over 38 rule saves the Sixers from a 60M fifth year.

There is no chance on gods green earth that Morey can or will be allowed by the Sixers owners to offer 4 year 200 million dollar contract. Not happening. I can’t see the Sixers offering anything more then a 140 million 4 year deal. I honestly doubt even a 4 year contract. I think probaly a 3 year 110 million at max

I couldn't disagree more. Harden's obviously not worth it, and it will be the worst contract in the league as soon as pen touches paper. But I can't imagine Morey doesn't already have an agreement to pay him. But we'll see what happens.

[Arsenal]

Iam a Harden fan despite some of his shortcomings but Iam with Rocketsfan100 on that one. 3/120. Similar to the CP3 deal the Suns got at his age.

There are rumours that Houston will offer him a 4 year 140 million dollar contract. I think he will most likely take that.

I don't think 4 / $140M is unreasonable considering the upcoming cap increases. I would resign him at that number assuming he would agree.

[hookshot199]

Last nights Heat win showed me the advantage of 3 point shooting.

And good coaching.

We were the best percentage three point team in the league much better then the Heat. Can't ball up and choke though and miss shots you made all year like the Sixers did.

Regular season versus playoffs. Apart from which: 1) the offense was going through Embiid, who missed 33 out of 52 shots outside of the key in games 2 through 6. This is before his game 7 collapse. Apart from which: 2) he stopped any ball movement while he was trying to sort out Boston's defense. Apart from which: 3) he turned the ball over something like 15 times.

A lot of this was predictable. Unpredictable was Robert Williams because they only faced him once during the regular season.

So "choke", yes and no. When you stall your offense and don't have ball movement, it basically makes half of your roster superfluous.