2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[raptor jesus]

He's not talked about much at our pick due to the presence of Yak and Koloko on the roster, but Lively is going to be a heck of a player, especially if he gets on the right team. The guy is a game-changing rim protector (along the lines of a Gobert), except he can actually switch on the perimeter and not get obliterated. I also think there's some stretch-5 upside here in addition to his rim running. He didn't take a lot but he has a pretty smooth looking shot from deep going back to high school.

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I think he's in the mix for sure. The front office has long been linked to similar guys like Claxton and Jarrett Allen. And I don't think Poeltl or Koloko will factor in if they think he's BPA.

[Rapsfan07]

He's not talked about much at our pick due to the presence of Yak and Koloko on the roster, but Lively is going to be a heck of a player, especially if he gets on the right team. The guy is a game-changing rim protector (along the lines of a Gobert), except he can actually switch on the perimeter and not get obliterated. I also think there's some stretch-5 upside here in addition to his rim running. He didn't take a lot but he has a pretty smooth looking shot from deep going back to high school.

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I think he has a chance to be a quality starting C in the league, especially if his shot is for real.

[Mark_83]

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Kinda weird that at home over 28.4 mins a game keyonte had 1.3 offensive rebounds, 1.3 steals, 3.5 assists and 2.8 turnovers and on the road over 29.9 mins a game he had 0.6 offensive rebounds, 0.7 steals, 1.3 assists and 3.3 turnovers.

I guess that had to do with most of the road games being against top teams.

[WuTang_CMB]

The lack of shooting efficiency for Keyonte is something to consider but the kid has talent. I just dont think the defense is there which is maybe why they pass

[goinrogue]

Some team has started talking down Brandon Miller. I suspect they want him to fall just enough to nab him at a slot where the risk is warranted. I doubt it's Masai. I'd look at somebody who was injured for much of the past season and might have gone top 10 if he had been healthy. That's a risk Masai would take at 13. Draftniks, who fills that bill?

Whitehead, depending on what you think of him and Nick Smith Jr.

Nick smith jr for sure. Was top 5 prospect and disappointed last year but was rumoured to be playing hurt.

Surprised more posters aren’t talking about raps interest in Black.

[Jadoogar]

Some team has started talking down Brandon Miller. I suspect they want him to fall just enough to nab him at a slot where the risk is warranted. I doubt it's Masai. I'd look at somebody who was injured for much of the past season and might have gone top 10 if he had been healthy. That's a risk Masai would take at 13. Draftniks, who fills that bill?

Whitehead, depending on what you think of him and Nick Smith Jr.

Nick smith jr for sure. Was top 5 prospect and disappointed last year but was rumoured to be playing hurt.

Surprised more posters aren’t talking about raps interest in Black.

I don't think Black falls far enough for us to pick him. We could trade up but we don't have real assets (Scottie, OG, Siakam are too valuable to be used to move up a few spots and everyone else is not valuable enough).

[DreamTeam09]

He's not talked about much at our pick due to the presence of Yak and Koloko on the roster, but Lively is going to be a heck of a player, especially if he gets on the right team. The guy is a game-changing rim protector (along the lines of a Gobert), except he can actually switch on the perimeter and not get obliterated. I also think there's some stretch-5 upside here in addition to his rim running. He didn't take a lot but he has a pretty smooth looking shot from deep going back to high school.

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I think he's in the mix for sure. The front office has long been linked to similar guys like Claxton and Jarrett Allen. And I don't think Poeltl or Koloko will factor in if they think he's BPA.

You are definitely not drafting a C at 13, when you traded a 24 1st for a C and drafted a C in the 2nd round who was top10 in minutes played from Rookies while being a drafted in the 2nd round.

He won't be BPA when you have holes at other roster positions like guards & and plenty of guards in the same tier as Lively.

[Dalek]

Probably my favorite player attainable player in the draft is Anthony Black. He has great defensive instincts and effort and has a strong sense of court awareness coupled with great size and . The issue is his shooting. People look at the 3P% and worry.

28-93 30.1%

He did take 93 attempts so he was not afraid to shoot. He had a lot of possession where he sits in the corner and has the three available to him and the defense sags off him. I think it led to a lot of his sneaky good cuts to the rim that led to his dunks.

In seeing this new footage and how he has been working with Steph Curry's trainer, we might have some growth from Black with the shooting. Overall, I am not concerned and would take him over guys like Cason Wallace, Keyonte, NSJ, JHS without hestitation.

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[C_Money]

The lack of shooting efficiency for Keyonte is something to consider but the kid has talent. I just dont think the defense is there which is maybe why they pass

He gives me Devin Booker vibes. We should not pass up on him if he's there at 13.

[DreamTeam09]

at 13, I don't think I'm going to be mad at whoever they take unless it's a 5.

Kobe
NJS
George
Hawkins
Bilal

I can get behind any of those guys (pause lol) and if someone falls like Black or Wallace or someone else I'd be ecstatic

[DreamTeam09]

I'm also warming up to GG Jackson as well. Should be a HS senior but played D1 as one of the go to guys on the team. His upside is one of the highest and at 13 this year could be a steal. If he went back to school would he be in the top 5 top 7 convo next year?

[TNRaps4life]

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[OakleyDokely]

Guys like Jamal Murray, Devin Booker shot lights out in college as freshman. They're examples of evaluators not taking the numbers seriously enough.

[Yallbecrazy]

Probably my favorite player attainable player in the draft is Anthony Black. He has great defensive instincts and effort and has a strong sense of court awareness coupled with great size and . The issue is his shooting. People look at the 3P% and worry.

28-93 30.1%

He did take 93 attempts so he was not afraid to shoot. He had a lot of possession where he sits in the corner and has the three available to him and the defense sags off him. I think it led to a lot of his sneaky good cuts to the rim that led to his dunks.

In seeing this new footage and how he has been working with Steph Curry's trainer, we might have some growth from Black with the shooting. Overall, I am not concerned and would take him over guys like Cason Wallace, Keyonte, NSJ, JHS without hestitation.

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It's not just the shooting, it's also the turnovers which are very high too. He's a very good, but not elite defender and he's a little too skinny to become a top defender in the NBA as well. He's more of a guy that can switch on to 1s and 2s, but not elite 3s due to a lack of strength. That's fine and he'll be above average on defense in the NBA, but I don't see him ever becoming elite. The problem is the offense, he's quite a boom/ bust guy as if he develops a shot he can be very good, but skinny guys who get to the rim in college well don't always do so well at getting to the rim in the NBA unless they're really tall (6'9+)

Will he ever be a really good shooter? Probably not, but if he can be a decent one then he can be a positive NBA player. That's a big if though, and he also needs to clean up the turnovers too which is a bit of a red flag when it comes to prospects.

The lack of shooting and carelessness with the ball makes me think he busts completely a small to medium percent of the time. It's also not a good fit with the current roster, I see him struggling as a rookie until he can develop the offense a lot more. I don't hate him as a prospect, but there are enough red flags where I put him more in that 12-20 range on my big board and specifically for the Raptors he would be closer to 20 when it comes to fit.

[OakleyDokely]

Anthony Black like a Herb Jones / Dyson Daniels type?

[HumbleRen]

Don’t draft anyone that shoots under 70% from the FT line or under 32% from the 3.

I don’t want dudes crapping themselves when they’re open from the 3. They can go kick rocks.

[C_Money]

Probably my favorite player attainable player in the draft is Anthony Black. He has great defensive instincts and effort and has a strong sense of court awareness coupled with great size and . The issue is his shooting. People look at the 3P% and worry.

28-93 30.1%

He did take 93 attempts so he was not afraid to shoot. He had a lot of possession where he sits in the corner and has the three available to him and the defense sags off him. I think it led to a lot of his sneaky good cuts to the rim that led to his dunks.

In seeing this new footage and how he has been working with Steph Curry's trainer, we might have some growth from Black with the shooting. Overall, I am not concerned and would take him over guys like Cason Wallace, Keyonte, NSJ, JHS without hestitation.

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It's not just the shooting, it's also the turnovers which are very high too. He's a very good, but not elite defender and he's a little too skinny to become a top defender in the NBA as well. He's more of a guy that can switch on to 1s and 2s, but not elite 3s due to a lack of strength. That's fine and he'll be above average on defense in the NBA, but I don't see him ever becoming elite. The problem is the offense, he's quite a boom/ bust guy as if he develops a shot he can be very good, but skinny guys who get to the rim in college well don't always do so well at getting to the rim in the NBA unless they're really tall (6'9+)

Will he ever be a really good shooter? Probably not, but if he can be a decent one then he can be a positive NBA player. That's a big if though, and he also needs to clean up the turnovers too which is a bit of a red flag when it comes to prospects.

The lack of shooting and carelessness with the ball makes me think he busts completely a small to medium percent of the time. It's also not a good fit with the current roster, I see him struggling as a rookie until he can develop the offense a lot more. I don't hate him as a prospect, but there are enough red flags where I put him more in that 12-20 range on my big board and specifically for the Raptors he would be closer to 20 when it comes to fit.

Totally agree. I have not been impressed with Anthony Black pretty much every time I’ve watched him. The bust potential is high with this one.

[HumbleRen]

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[ATLTimekeeper]

Kawhi shot 29% as a sophomore. There's too many examples of bad 3 point shooters being good ones in the NBA. It's more concerning when that player can't score, or when they can score but can't do much else.