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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#461 » by payitforward » Fri May 19, 2023 1:05 pm

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payitforward wrote:In fairness I should mention that, as tleikheen points out, Simons is still only 23 years old (turns 24 in 3+ weeks); obviously, he may still develop, maybe even a lot. &, yeah, even if he runs hot & cold, he does have the ability to score the ball.

The problem is that the development is a possibility not a certainty, yet he's already being paid big dollars -- he'll earn $24m next season, $26m the following season, & $28m in 2025-26, & all those dollars are guaranteed.

Man, you love going in on tleikheen. All I will say PIF is that this board is very small, and it won't get bigger. New generation has never heard of a message board. Just be nice, OK?

Look through tleikheen's posts, & you will find that it's rare for him to write anything in which he doesn't call somebody either "clueless" or... some other such dismissive insult.

In his first post responding to something I'd written, in fact, he more or less called me "a racist."

I reacted with some upset, of course, & expected that he would either apologize or... something. Nope. Nada.

It would be one thing if the guy gave any impression of actually knowing anything. But, that's not the case. Not that he's always wrong -- fire randomly, & once in a while you'll hit something.

Still, you're right that pixxing on his idiocies doesn't raise the level of discourse here, so I'll stop responding to his posts. Thanks for bringing up the problem.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#462 » by nate33 » Fri May 19, 2023 1:17 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Is there a trade to be had with Dallas? I am thinking:

Dallas: S&T with Irving + filler plus first round pick
Washington: Beal

The deal could be expanded.

This is a very interesting and plausible idea.

I don't want any part of Kyrie, but as the main guy in DC, he might post some spectacular numbers and convince some other team to trade for him down the road just like we did with Westbrook.

If nothing else, he will put fans in the seats and make Ted some money.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#463 » by payitforward » Fri May 19, 2023 1:19 pm

joshuacf wrote:If we aren't blowing it up I like a move for John Collins. I know a Collins/Kuzma S&T has been floated a lot on here but to me that's treading water.

I saw something on T&T where we give up Deni and Johnny and get Collins in a multi-team deal. While I'd prefer to not give up both (and maybe we could find a way to keep Johnny and give up 2nds), doing so would alleviate the logjam we have at wing and make it a lot easier to take BPA at #8. After resigning Kuzma/ZIngus we'd have a lineup of Morris/Beal/Kuzma/Collins/Zingus which could be a 4-8 playoff team. We would probably need a backup PG in FA unless we drafted one.

Collins is a great buy-low candidate for me. A change of scenery could be just what he needs and a full offseason should be able to help fix that nasty finger issue.

This is good thinking on John Collins, but I disagree that trading Kuzma for him would be treading water.

Kuz is a problem. He's not a good player, but he's likely to be signed for a lot of $$. I would let him walk for nothing rather than do that. Obviously, trading him for Collins would be far better than that!

In all, however, we are not going to turn this exceptionally bad team into a good one by way of trades. We are going to have to draft well & shed bad players for returns that are as heavy as possible in picks. I.e. count me out on trading away R2 picks.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#464 » by payitforward » Fri May 19, 2023 1:21 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Is there a trade to be had with Dallas? I am thinking:

Dallas: S&T with Irving + filler plus first round pick
Washington: Beal

The deal could be expanded.

This is a very interesting and plausible idea.

I don't want any part of Kyrie, but as the main guy in DC, he might post some spectacular numbers and convince some other team to trade for him down the road just like we did with Westbrook.

If nothing else, he will put fans in the seats and make Ted some money.

Absolutely!
Can't stand Kyrie, but for sure this would be an advantageous move.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#465 » by nate33 » Fri May 19, 2023 1:50 pm

payitforward wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:Is there a trade to be had with Dallas? I am thinking:

Dallas: S&T with Irving + filler plus first round pick
Washington: Beal

The deal could be expanded.

This is a very interesting and plausible idea.

I don't want any part of Kyrie, but as the main guy in DC, he might post some spectacular numbers and convince some other team to trade for him down the road just like we did with Westbrook.

If nothing else, he will put fans in the seats and make Ted some money.

Absolutely!
Can't stand Kyrie, but for sure this would be an advantageous move.

We could probably incentivize them by throwing in Delon Wright, who would be a good fit as a defense-first PG on a team that runs the offense through Luka and Beal.

All that said, I'm guessing they would rather try and exchange the #10 pick for quality starter to play alongside Kyrie and Luka. That team desperately needs some players who can defend.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#466 » by Kanyewest » Fri May 19, 2023 4:29 pm

nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Is there a trade to be had with Dallas? I am thinking:

Dallas: S&T with Irving + filler plus first round pick
Washington: Beal

The deal could be expanded.

This is a very interesting and plausible idea.

I don't want any part of Kyrie, but as the main guy in DC, he might post some spectacular numbers and convince some other team to trade for him down the road just like we did with Westbrook.

If nothing else, he will put fans in the seats and make Ted some money.


Kyrie probably wants a big contract though. Supposedly he is eligible for a five-year, $272.92 million maximum.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#467 » by bsilver » Fri May 19, 2023 4:45 pm

Don’t see why Beal is better than Irving, so Dallas would throw in a pick. Maybe they’d trade the pick for Avdija. I’m having doubts he’ll ever learn to shoot. And also trade Beal somewhere and rebuild.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#468 » by dckingsfan » Fri May 19, 2023 5:16 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Is there a trade to be had with Dallas? I am thinking:

Dallas: S&T with Irving + filler plus first round pick
Washington: Beal

The deal could be expanded.

This is a very interesting and plausible idea.

I don't want any part of Kyrie, but as the main guy in DC, he might post some spectacular numbers and convince some other team to trade for him down the road just like we did with Westbrook.

If nothing else, he will put fans in the seats and make Ted some money.

Kyrie probably wants a big contract though. Supposedly he is eligible for a five-year, $272.92 million maximum.

Here is my hope. No one will give him a long-term contract so he would be willing to sign a 1 or 2 year contract. A long-shot.

And yes to including either Wright or Morris in the deal. What else does Dallas need :D
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#469 » by joshuacf » Fri May 19, 2023 5:51 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
nate33 wrote:This is a very interesting and plausible idea.

I don't want any part of Kyrie, but as the main guy in DC, he might post some spectacular numbers and convince some other team to trade for him down the road just like we did with Westbrook.

If nothing else, he will put fans in the seats and make Ted some money.

Kyrie probably wants a big contract though. Supposedly he is eligible for a five-year, $272.92 million maximum.

Here is my hope. No one will give him a long-term contract so he would be willing to sign a 1 or 2 year contract. A long-shot.

And yes to including either Wright or Morris in the deal. What else does Dallas need :D


Sign and trades have to be three-year contracts, no?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#470 » by dckingsfan » Fri May 19, 2023 6:00 pm

joshuacf wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Kyrie probably wants a big contract though. Supposedly he is eligible for a five-year, $272.92 million maximum.

Here is my hope. No one will give him a long-term contract so he would be willing to sign a 1 or 2 year contract. A long-shot.

And yes to including either Wright or Morris in the deal. What else does Dallas need :D

Sign and trades have to be three-year contracts, no?

So much for that then...
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#471 » by JAR69 » Fri May 19, 2023 6:16 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
joshuacf wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Here is my hope. No one will give him a long-term contract so he would be willing to sign a 1 or 2 year contract. A long-shot.

And yes to including either Wright or Morris in the deal. What else does Dallas need :D

Sign and trades have to be three-year contracts, no?

So much for that then...


I think only the first year has to be guaranteed, though. Larry Coon FAQ #92:

A sign-and-trade deal can be made with a free agent who has been renounced (see question number 39), as long as all the above criteria are met. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for at least three seasons (not including any option year) and no longer than four seasons3. The first year of the contract must be fully guaranteed, but the remaining seasons can be non-guaranteed. The combination of a three-year minimum with a one-year guarantee ensures that the player's new team cannot acquire the player's Bird rights any sooner than if they had signed him directly (if they wanted to re-sign him in less than three years they would first have to waive him, and lose any Bird rights -- see question number 32).
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#472 » by joshuacf » Fri May 19, 2023 6:26 pm

I think if the Lakers don't win the title and Dlo keeps struggling we could get them to overpay for Beal. The Lakers have got to believe they're a player away but also recognize their window is closing. I know they were interested in resigning Dlo but based on how he's been playing that could change.

We'd give them Beal and they'd give us Bamba, Beasley, Vanderbilt, a Schroder S&T, and picks. Then we move Morris or Delon, try to raise Schroder's value, and sell him at the deadline.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#473 » by dckingsfan » Fri May 19, 2023 6:36 pm

JAR69 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
joshuacf wrote:Sign and trades have to be three-year contracts, no?

So much for that then...

I think only the first year has to be guaranteed, though. Larry Coon FAQ #92:

A sign-and-trade deal can be made with a free agent who has been renounced (see question number 39), as long as all the above criteria are met. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for at least three seasons (not including any option year) and no longer than four seasons3. The first year of the contract must be fully guaranteed, but the remaining seasons can be non-guaranteed. The combination of a three-year minimum with a one-year guarantee ensures that the player's new team cannot acquire the player's Bird rights any sooner than if they had signed him directly (if they wanted to re-sign him in less than three years they would first have to waive him, and lose any Bird rights -- see question number 32).

Nice. Trade option is back on.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#474 » by nate33 » Fri May 19, 2023 7:37 pm

joshuacf wrote:I think if the Lakers don't win the title and Dlo keeps struggling we could get them to overpay for Beal. The Lakers have got to believe they're a player away but also recognize their window is closing. I know they were interested in resigning Dlo but based on how he's been playing that could change.

We'd give them Beal and they'd give us Bamba, Beasley, Vanderbilt, a Schroder S&T, and picks. Then we move Morris or Delon, try to raise Schroder's value, and sell him at the deadline.

They don't have any picks. A bunch of bad contracts plus maybe a pick in 2029 isn't much of an incentive. I'd rather keep Beal.
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Post#475 » by joshuacf » Fri May 19, 2023 7:51 pm

nate33 wrote:
joshuacf wrote:I think if the Lakers don't win the title and Dlo keeps struggling we could get them to overpay for Beal. The Lakers have got to believe they're a player away but also recognize their window is closing. I know they were interested in resigning Dlo but based on how he's been playing that could change.

We'd give them Beal and they'd give us Bamba, Beasley, Vanderbilt, a Schroder S&T, and picks. Then we move Morris or Delon, try to raise Schroder's value, and sell him at the deadline.

They don't have any picks. A bunch of bad contracts plus maybe a pick in 2029 isn't much of an incentive. I'd rather keep Beal.


They have FRP picks in 24 or 25, 26, and 28. The 26 and 28 picks have significant upside to me. If Lebron walks after 24 or 25 and AD goes with him, there is a good chance the Lakers will be terrible and those picks could have significant value. We could structure it as pick swaps to get around the Stepien Rule. Worth the gamble in my opinion.
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Post#476 » by nate33 » Fri May 19, 2023 8:14 pm

joshuacf wrote:
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joshuacf wrote:I think if the Lakers don't win the title and Dlo keeps struggling we could get them to overpay for Beal. The Lakers have got to believe they're a player away but also recognize their window is closing. I know they were interested in resigning Dlo but based on how he's been playing that could change.

We'd give them Beal and they'd give us Bamba, Beasley, Vanderbilt, a Schroder S&T, and picks. Then we move Morris or Delon, try to raise Schroder's value, and sell him at the deadline.

They don't have any picks. A bunch of bad contracts plus maybe a pick in 2029 isn't much of an incentive. I'd rather keep Beal.


They have FRP picks in 24 or 25, 26, and 28. The 26 and 28 picks have significant upside to me. If Lebron walks after 24 or 25 and AD goes with him, there is a good chance the Lakers will be terrible and those picks could have significant value. We could structure it as pick swaps to get around the Stepien Rule. Worth the gamble in my opinion.

The odds are real slim that those swaps will pan out when they have Beal and Anthony Davis and we have jack squat.
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Post#477 » by tleikheen » Fri May 19, 2023 8:20 pm

I think if the Lakers don't win the title and Dlo keeps struggling we could get them to overpay for Beal. The Lakers have got to believe they're a player away but also recognize their window is closing. I know they were interested in resigning Dlo but based on how he's been playing that could change.


Just as Playoff Rui is trending ,the opposite is happening to DLo and Austin Reaves is growing in the playoffs at SG ,Beals position at a big dropoff from Beals albatross contract.
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Post#478 » by 80sballboy » Fri May 19, 2023 8:27 pm

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Post#479 » by Frichuela » Fri May 19, 2023 8:33 pm

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How about an “elite” shooting guard? No way in hell I guess :lol:
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Post#480 » by 80sballboy » Fri May 19, 2023 8:36 pm

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How about an “elite” shooting guard? No way in hell I guess :lol:


I don't see Brad and his wife Kamiah accepting a trade to Portland. :D

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