2023 NBA Draft (tonight's discussion on pg 58)

[DusterBuster]

The more I think about it, the more I realize it really doesnt make any difference what direction this team goes as long as Chauncey is at the helm.

We have a unique, potentially never before seen group of excellent head coaching candidates on the market. If we let this moment pass, and I am sure we will, I will just not really care what we do in terms of direction.

I disagree with this, a crappy coach can still win with the right collection of talent.

[MrDollarBills]

Would you folks trade #3 and another young asset for Mikal Bridges?

[The Sebastian Express]

Would you folks trade #3 and another young asset for Mikal Bridges?

I think we would have a really hard time trading Shaedon in this deal along with the third for Mikal. I think most of us would only want to combine Shaedon with the three for someone like Embiid, we are sort of half-and-half on whether we would for Brown. Obviously we'd include Simons. Or reroute him to Orlando for #11 to send to Brooklyn too. I think we'd also do three, Simons + future unprotected pick or two.

It's just really hard for a lot of us to think about adding Shaedon after all he showed with such a high pick in a three top-tier player draft. In particular if Scoot drops to three, for whatever reason.

[Norm2953]

Would you folks trade #3 and another young asset for Mikal Bridges?

I wouldn't for Bridges in Portland would likely be the player he was in Phoenix for between Dame,
Simons, Sharpe and Grant, they have plenty of shooters. What they really need is a guy who
rebounds and help Nurkic protect the basket for after they traded Josh Hart, they had nobody
else that to do the dirty work for the shooters on the team.

They have a chance at pairing Sharpe with Scoot Henderson, who has speed, hops and actually
gets after it defensively. They will be Portland's back court for the rest of the decade.

[MrDollarBills]

Would you folks trade #3 and another young asset for Mikal Bridges?

I think we would have a really hard time trading Shaedon in this deal along with the third for Mikal. I think most of us would only want to combine Shaedon with the three for someone like Embiid, we are sort of half-and-half on whether we would for Brown. Obviously we'd include Simons. Or reroute him to Orlando for #11 to send to Brooklyn too. I think we'd also do three, Simons + future unprotected pick or two.

It's just really hard for a lot of us to think about adding Shaedon after all he showed with such a high pick in a three top-tier player draft. In particular if Scoot drops to three, for whatever reason.

Smart. I would also value Shaedon over #3 and Bridges.

I just wanted to see what the interest is.

[MrDollarBills]

Would you folks trade #3 and another young asset for Mikal Bridges?

I wouldn't for Bridges in Portland would likely be the player he was in Phoenix for between Dame,
Simons, Sharpe and Grant, they have plenty of shooters. What they really need is a guy who
rebounds and help Nurkic protect the basket for after they traded Josh Hart, they had nobody
else that to do the dirty work for the shooters on the team.

They have a chance at pairing Sharpe with Scoot Henderson, who has speed, hops and actually
gets after it defensively. They will be Portland's back court for the rest of the decade.

So what's your asking price for Lillard

[Norm2953]

As I said, what Portland needs are guys who rebound and protect the basket.

If Portland drafts Scoot Henderson, they can pair him with Sharpe in a dynamic,
young BC for the rest of the decade. Simons freed from ball handling duties would
be a wing sniper.

What they need from Brooklyn would be Claxton who fits their immediate needs.
Let's say Brooklyn offered up Claxton, Dinwiddie along with picks from the KD deal.
Dinwiddie would stabilize a very young Blazers BC and Claxton would replace Nurk
if he ended up in the deal with perhaps DFS going to Portland.

Leaves Portland with Scoot, Sharpe, Simons and Dinwiddie in their BC with Claxton,
DFS and perhaps Jerami Grant up front in Portland. Portland would be thin up
front but would have their full MLE to go after a free agent along with another FRP

[DusterBuster]

Would you folks trade #3 and another young asset for Mikal Bridges?

I think we would have a really hard time trading Shaedon in this deal along with the third for Mikal. I think most of us would only want to combine Shaedon with the three for someone like Embiid, we are sort of half-and-half on whether we would for Brown. Obviously we'd include Simons. Or reroute him to Orlando for #11 to send to Brooklyn too. I think we'd also do three, Simons + future unprotected pick or two.

It's just really hard for a lot of us to think about adding Shaedon after all he showed with such a high pick in a three top-tier player draft. In particular if Scoot drops to three, for whatever reason.

Smart. I would also value Shaedon over #3 and Bridges.

I just wanted to see what the interest is.

Yeah, I would say Sharpe is pretty much off the table unless it’s for a MVP level player or yearly All Star type player when packaged with the pick. Also because they’d be giving up Simons as well likely, so that’s quite a bit of value as it pertains to an amazing draft picks and two young blue chip players on team friendly contracts. If that kind of deal can’t return an Embiid or Giannis (if either asked out that is), then I give up.

[m0ng0]

Couldn't we get another pick this year for Dame+ future picks and a serviceable big or other marginal players who fulfill a role? Let Schmitz work baby

[DusterBuster]

Would you folks trade #3 and another young asset for Mikal Bridges?

I wouldn't for Bridges in Portland would likely be the player he was in Phoenix for between Dame,
Simons, Sharpe and Grant, they have plenty of shooters. What they really need is a guy who
rebounds and help Nurkic protect the basket for after they traded Josh Hart, they had nobody
else that to do the dirty work for the shooters on the team.

They have a chance at pairing Sharpe with Scoot Henderson, who has speed, hops and actually
gets after it defensively. They will be Portland's back court for the rest of the decade.

So what's your asking price for Lillard

Having an asking price for Lillard is a hard thing to pinpoint. Lillard is going to have a lot of say in where he’s dealt to and the GM will do what it takes to accommodate his wishes, so it’s going to be hard to get amaziiing value back. I think the hope would be some high level young players and multiple FRPs, but not sure how possible that will be.

Right now, if Cronin flames out on his goal of making a big trade to get Dame help, I think the Heat are the favorites to get Dame. Probably looking at some deal centered around Herro and picks, maybe a 3 team deal. And honestly, if it comes down to a Dame trade, I hope he ends up in Miami. Seeing him and Butler together would be a **** blast.

[Norm2953]

I'd also love to see Dame in Miami for they'd be really tough with Jimmy, Dame and Bam.

[GreenRiddler]

I absolutely believe that Givony thought. This draft is too loaded at the 3 to give it away for a Siakim level guy. Bridges is a possible All NBA player in a year or 2 and that’s the only caliber of guys I see them going for I don’t think they get it even with the Celtics crapping the bed.

They’ll draft a Scoot/Miller/Amen and run it back this year and Dame will be paid handsomely to watch the rebuild or demand a trade that the FO would gladly do for him but not until he asks for one.

[Village Idiot]

A couple of tidbits from the Athletic:

Hollinger: With Portland in “win it for Dame” mode and the Blazers desperate for playable wings (even presuming they re-sign Jerami Grant), speculation is already widespread that a package of the third pick and Anfernee Simons might be used to snag an elite small forward.

• My favorite fake trade, however, kills two birds with one stone by resolving the Magic’s backcourt issue. Orlando holds pick Nos. 6 and 11 and would likely be tempted to trade up and take Henderson if the Hornets select Miller at No. 2. Could some combination of the sixth and 11th picks and another asset allow the Magic to move up to No. 3?

The other half of this trade is that it would allow the Blazers to hedge their bets by splitting their lottery pick in two. Imagine, for instance, a scenario where the Blazers do this trade with Orlando, then deal the sixth pick for immediate wing help but hang on to No. 11 and use it on Duke big man Dereck Lively II. Of course, this still requires such a player to actually be available, and parlaying the sixth pick into that player in particular could prove problematic given that Houston and Detroit may want to do the same thing at No. 4 and No. 5.

Vorkunov: Duke center Derek Lively II had the LA Clippers, Grizzlies, Blazers, Brooklyn Nets and New Orleans Pelicans on his interview itinerary, he said. He’s projected to possibly be a late lottery pick.

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So based on that:

Nurkic and 3 to Orlando for WCJ, 6 and 11

then

Simons and 6 to Toronto for OG, OPJ and 13

at 11 draft whomever of Walker, Whitmore, Hendricks, Black, GG Jackson drops to that spot
at 13 draft Lively

send 23 and a couple of 2nd to Chicago to settle that debt

[The Sebastian Express]

I think this is a terrible idea. Like DBR has stated and I think many feel, you don't trade back in this case.

This is a good draft, but it's top three heavy in terms of high-projected talent. You have to either use that high value pick to acquire a high level talent via trade in an ultra package, or you need to use it to select the high-end draft talent. Diluting it hurts us in the long-run.

[King Ken]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271639/Nets-Not-Interested-In-Trading-Mikal-Bridges-To-Blazers-For-No-3-Pick

This is a big deal because it likely confirms what we already know, teams with highly coveted special big wings likely aren't trading them for a prospect unless it's Wemby and no one is trading Wemby.

It's highly likely, Portland, CHA, and Houston end up drafting in the top 4 and not trading out.

[King Ken]

I'd also love to see Dame in Miami for they'd be really tough with Jimmy, Dame and Bam.

Miami doesn't really have the assets for Dame. Herro is not coveted by Portland and no way would I trade Bam for Dame.

[King Ken]

As I said, what Portland needs are guys who rebound and protect the basket.

If Portland drafts Scoot Henderson, they can pair him with Sharpe in a dynamic,
young BC for the rest of the decade. Simons freed from ball handling duties would
be a wing sniper.

What they need from Brooklyn would be Claxton who fits their immediate needs.
Let's say Brooklyn offered up Claxton, Dinwiddie along with picks from the KD deal.
Dinwiddie would stabilize a very young Blazers BC and Claxton would replace Nurk
if he ended up in the deal with perhaps DFS going to Portland.

Leaves Portland with Scoot, Sharpe, Simons and Dinwiddie in their BC with Claxton,
DFS and perhaps Jerami Grant up front in Portland. Portland would be thin up
front but would have their full MLE to go after a free agent along with another FRP

What's the trade?

[rtrickerson]

Would you trade #3, Jerami Grant (sign and trade), and two future firsts to the Clippers for Kawhi Leonard? Fire Chauncey Billups and hire Nick Nurse who's coached Kawhi and load management before. Let him do for Kawhi and Damian what he did for Kawhi and Kyle Lowry. Kawhi Leonard and Damian Lillard would be on the same level as Kevin Durant and Devin Booker.

[DusterBuster]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271639/Nets-Not-Interested-In-Trading-Mikal-Bridges-To-Blazers-For-No-3-Pick

This is a big deal because it likely confirms what we already know, teams with highly coveted special big wings likely aren't trading them for a prospect unless it's Wemby and no one is trading Wemby.

It's highly likely, Portland, CHA, and Houston end up drafting in the top 4 and not trading out.

Doesn’t really confirm anything tbh. You legitimately can’t trust anything this time of year.

[DusterBuster]

Would you trade #3, Jerami Grant (sign and trade), and two future firsts to the Clippers for Kawhi Leonard? Fire Chauncey Billups and hire Nick Nurse who's coached Kawhi and load management before. Let him do for Kawhi and Damian what he did for Kawhi and Kyle Lowry. Kawhi Leonard and Damian Lillard would be on the same level as Kevin Durant and Devin Booker.

Not 2 extra firsts. 3 and Grant is plenty for 20 games a year of Kawhi and if we’re lucky a guest appearing in a game of the playoffs.