Official NBA General Discussion 2022-23 V4.0

[ATLTimekeeper]

Unbelievable. The Heat have SEVEN undrafted players on their roster. These include Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson, and Caleb Martin among others.

Herro has been injured from the beginning, and Lowry is at best a veteran role player off the bench at this point. Love was picked up at the last minute after being waived by the Cavs and really the only other big name player they have apart from Butler is Bam. They are two wins away from making the Finals being the 8th seed.

I don't even think prime Popovich could have done what Spo and the Heat are doing now. Truly outstanding.

Chris Boucher makes more than Gabe Vincent, Max Struss and Caleb Martin combined.

Absolute masterclass in scouting for talent by the Heat.

The story they told last night about how Caleb Martin earned a tryout didn't exactly scream "masterclass in scouting." I'll give them credit for Vincent and Robinson, who were both putrid college players that otherwise would be out of basketball if not for the Heat.

[Chandan]

Spo would make boucher look like siakam

[MoneyBall]

If the Heat and Nuggets make The Finals it's going to be 30th overall pick Jimmy Butler versus 41st overall pick Nikola Jokic.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Unbelievable. The Heat have SEVEN undrafted players on their roster. These include Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson, and Caleb Martin among others.

Herro has been injured from the beginning, and Lowry is at best a veteran role player off the bench at this point. Love was picked up at the last minute after being waived by the Cavs and really the only other big name player they have apart from Butler is Bam. They are two wins away from making the Finals being the 8th seed.

I don't even think prime Popovich could have done what Spo and the Heat are doing now. Truly outstanding.

The league has changed. Undrafted players are more common and will continue to be. Being a 7th-8 seed and making a playoff run is unheard of and it's happening in both conferences.

[2019nbachamps]

With teams falling out of the playoffs, perhaps Masai was a genius in waiting for this. Teams may give up more for OG and Fred thinking they’re the difference makers for them in the playoffs

Fred has no trade value as a S+T candidate. We didn’t get good offers at the deadline. Think back to our S+T with the Heat for Lowry. We may get 1 rotation player and cap filler for FVV. But we won’t get a return that makes us better next season.

We got offered 3 FRP for OG, but teams would’ve had him for 2 playoffs. Now they’ll only have him for 1.

Unrelated point but it is just so frustrating Masai and Bobby keep sticking with this core and adding irrelevant role players. There’s so much talent out there and they can’t even find 2-3 guys to round out our rotation. It’s pathetic. In addition, you need a superstar to win in this league. Neither Siakam nor FVV can elevate their games to the point of carrying a team on their backs in the playoffs.

We’re better off being really bad for a few years or consolidating our players for a star and building around them. Even with the best possible coaching and all our players stepping up, our ceiling is the 2nd round. What’s the point?

[2019nbachamps]

Unbelievable. The Heat have SEVEN undrafted players on their roster. These include Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson, and Caleb Martin among others.

Herro has been injured from the beginning, and Lowry is at best a veteran role player off the bench at this point. Love was picked up at the last minute after being waived by the Cavs and really the only other big name player they have apart from Butler is Bam. They are two wins away from making the Finals being the 8th seed.

I don't even think prime Popovich could have done what Spo and the Heat are doing now. Truly outstanding.

The league has changed. Undrafted players are more common and will continue to be. Being a 7th-8 seed and making a playoff run is unheard of and it's happening in both conferences.

Again, goes to show how terrible Bobby and Masai have been. 4 straight off seasons they haven’t been able to identify a single player via free agency or trades that could contribute to our rotation. Think of all the fringe players we’ve signed and then gotten rid of. They’re the problem here. Honestly if we have 1 more mediocre year MLSE ownership should really consider moving on.

[tripa]

If you give Nurse this exact Boston team, he sure as hell isnt losing to the Heat. And Im not his biggest fan by any means.

[earth007]

Love spo coaching. Lowry in there missing shots, takes him out and subs in other players making a difference.

Nurse would never have the balls to sub out FVV brick after brick

Lowry doesn't play much to begin with. He's a 37 year old player and not the player he once was.

You generally don't take your best players out because they miss shots especially if they are contributing in other areas and your backups are Dalano Banton and Malachi Flynn.

Do you have some app to send you notifications, whenever fvv's name is mentioned in this board? It is insane how quickly you come out of the words to defend him every single time. I sincerely hope you are on his payroll. Lol.

[hyper316]

If you give Nurse this exact Boston team, he sure as hell isnt losing to the Heat. And Im not his biggest fan by any means.

Remember raptors were down 0-2 to bucks. It was Kawhi that approached Nurse to defend Giannis going forward that changed the series.

[tripa]

If you give Nurse this exact Boston team, he sure as hell isnt losing to the Heat. And Im not his biggest fan by any means.

Remember raptors were down 0-2 to bucks. It was Kawhi that approached Nurse to defend Giannis going forward that changed the series.

Okay?

Yesterday I had a black bean burrito for lunch.

[ash_k]

(now former Rockets coach)Stephen Silas: maybe Alperen Sengun can be a 6th man who gets some post-ups every now and then

(now Rockets coach) Ime Udoka: Alperen Sengun can initiate offense from the High Post and the block, can score from nearly anywhere, and has a unique skillset to initiate offense for others

Yup, Boston is missing that: That team should have won 60+ games in the regular season as a continuation of last season with all that talent(+ Brogdon) and swept both Hawks and the Heat and lost two(max) against Philly.

Mazzula will get better though but....

[Brinbe]

Heat def have the coaching advantage and that's been the big difference. On paper a team with Tatum, Brown, Brog, White, Smart should have the talent/scoring edge but they play sloppy and dumb basketball.

The Cs also have no capable bigs right now. Horford has fallen off, Timelord hasn't been the same guy he once was and Grant is the Eastern Dillon Brooks that's about to get thrown off the team. They wanted to get Poeltl at the deadline and they probably should've got him exactly for this reason.

[gbball]

Unbelievable. The Heat have SEVEN undrafted players on their roster. These include Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson, and Caleb Martin among others.

Herro has been injured from the beginning, and Lowry is at best a veteran role player off the bench at this point. Love was picked up at the last minute after being waived by the Cavs and really the only other big name player they have apart from Butler is Bam. They are two wins away from making the Finals being the 8th seed.

I don't even think prime Popovich could have done what Spo and the Heat are doing now. Truly outstanding.

Chris Boucher makes more than Gabe Vincent, Max Struss and Caleb Martin combined.

Absolute masterclass in scouting for talent by the Heat.

It's that, but it's also Spo doing a good job of believing in them, empowering them and putting them in a position to succeed. We have had talented guys brought in who rotted on the bench. You don't think Harper jr, or Wisenkamp couldn't hit some shots for us.

Nurse, didn't believe in our group at all. He seems to have a fixed mindset and said after we lost a game to Boston that our guys aren't good enough. What a loser mentality. If your coach doesn't have faith in you, good luck. Spo is the complete opposite of Nurse.

[HumbleRen]

Unbelievable. The Heat have SEVEN undrafted players on their roster. These include Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson, and Caleb Martin among others.

Herro has been injured from the beginning, and Lowry is at best a veteran role player off the bench at this point. Love was picked up at the last minute after being waived by the Cavs and really the only other big name player they have apart from Butler is Bam. They are two wins away from making the Finals being the 8th seed.

I don't even think prime Popovich could have done what Spo and the Heat are doing now. Truly outstanding.

Chris Boucher makes more than Gabe Vincent, Max Struss and Caleb Martin combined.

Absolute masterclass in scouting for talent by the Heat.

It's that, but it's also Spo doing a good job of believing in them, empowering them and putting them in a position to succeed. We have had talented guys brought in who rotted on the bench. You don't think Harper jr, or Wisenkamp couldn't hit some shots for us.

Nurse, didn't believe in our group at all. He seems to have a fixed mindset and said after we lost a game to Boston that our guys aren't good enough. What a loser mentality. If your coach doesn't have faith in you, good luck. Spo is the complete opposite of Nurse.

Spo is definitely putting them in great spots to succeed but it’s way easier to do that when those said players can shoot from the 3.

Im sorry but no coach alive is making a bench line up of Flynn, Dalano, Precious and Boucher look competent on a consistent basis.

Flynn is not an nba player, neither is Dalano.

Precious has moments of greatness but his ball IQ is one of the worst in the league on offence. Boucher is just an energy guy. You can’t work with that in todays NBA.

[gbball]

Unbelievable. The Heat have SEVEN undrafted players on their roster. These include Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson, and Caleb Martin among others.

Herro has been injured from the beginning, and Lowry is at best a veteran role player off the bench at this point. Love was picked up at the last minute after being waived by the Cavs and really the only other big name player they have apart from Butler is Bam. They are two wins away from making the Finals being the 8th seed.

I don't even think prime Popovich could have done what Spo and the Heat are doing now. Truly outstanding.

The league has changed. Undrafted players are more common and will continue to be. Being a 7th-8 seed and making a playoff run is unheard of and it's happening in both conferences.

Again, goes to show how terrible Bobby and Masai have been. 4 straight off seasons they haven’t been able to identify a single player via free agency or trades that could contribute to our rotation. Think of all the fringe players we’ve signed and then gotten rid of. They’re the problem here. Honestly if we have 1 more mediocre year MLSE ownership should really consider moving on.

This is such a lazy narrative. Honestly, Nurse didn't put the guys we brought in in positions to succeed. Dragic played poorly for us, then had his minutes cut, Flynn, Banton, never got to build on their successes. Dekker or Wainwright could have helped us, but they barely got an audition in preseason. Wisenkamp, Harper Jr. are both good shooters who didn't get a shot with us. It's why some of us have been out on Nurse for a while now. Hell even Barton got playing time, but as the point guard??? while our backup pgs got DNPs. It's hard for me to comprehend how foolish some of these decisions were. Even Aaron Bane and Jeremy Lin ended up out of the league after playing with us. At some point, you have to look at the coach and the system. There's a pattern where we don't get the most out of fringe guys we bring in. I'm confident it was largely due to coaching.

[gbball]

Chris Boucher makes more than Gabe Vincent, Max Struss and Caleb Martin combined.

Absolute masterclass in scouting for talent by the Heat.

It's that, but it's also Spo doing a good job of believing in them, empowering them and putting them in a position to succeed. We have had talented guys brought in who rotted on the bench. You don't think Harper jr, or Wisenkamp couldn't hit some shots for us.

Nurse, didn't believe in our group at all. He seems to have a fixed mindset and said after we lost a game to Boston that our guys aren't good enough. What a loser mentality. If your coach doesn't have faith in you, good luck. Spo is the complete opposite of Nurse.

Spo is definitely putting them in great spots to succeed but it’s way easier to do that when those said players can shoot from the 3.

Im sorry but no coach alive is making a bench line up of Flynn, Dalano, Precious and Boucher look competent on a consistent basis.

Flynn is not an nba player, neither is Dalano.

Precious has moments of greatness but his ball IQ is one of the worst in the league on offence. Boucher is just an energy guy. You can’t work with that in todays NBA.

Agree to disagree, but Nurse clearly didn't value shooting as much as much as his brand of defense, because he stopped playing Flynn when he started the season shooting 40+ percent from 3. He didn't find opportunities for guys like Harper jr. or Wisenkamp who would be 2 of our best shooters. He made Will Barton our initiator, instead of having an initiator set him up for open looks.

[HumbleRen]

Dragic has been on 3 teams since last year. Nurse was not salvaging that.

Flynn is not an nba player, Banton sucks. Wisenkamp and Harper JR are not NBA players as well.

Jeremy Lin stinks, Aaron Baynes career is finished. I have my faults with Nurse but lets not act like the majority of the blame isn't on the FO. It's their fault we're in this mess.

[gbball]

It's that, but it's also Spo doing a good job of believing in them, empowering them and putting them in a position to succeed. We have had talented guys brought in who rotted on the bench. You don't think Harper jr, or Wisenkamp couldn't hit some shots for us.

Nurse, didn't believe in our group at all. He seems to have a fixed mindset and said after we lost a game to Boston that our guys aren't good enough. What a loser mentality. If your coach doesn't have faith in you, good luck. Spo is the complete opposite of Nurse.

Spo is definitely putting them in great spots to succeed but it’s way easier to do that when those said players can shoot from the 3.

Im sorry but no coach alive is making a bench line up of Flynn, Dalano, Precious and Boucher look competent on a consistent basis.

Flynn is not an nba player, neither is Dalano.

Precious has moments of greatness but his ball IQ is one of the worst in the league on offence. Boucher is just an energy guy. You can’t work with that in todays NBA.

Agree to disagree, but Nurse clearly didn't value shooting as much as much as his brand of defense, because he stopped playing Flynn when he started the season shooting 40+ percent from 3. He didn't find opportunities for guys like Harper jr. or Wisenkamp who would be 2 of our best shooters. He made Will Barton our initiator, instead of having an initiator set him up for open looks.

Not to mention the misuse of a guy like Dowtin, who most here like.

[HumbleRen]

Spo is definitely putting them in great spots to succeed but it’s way easier to do that when those said players can shoot from the 3.

Im sorry but no coach alive is making a bench line up of Flynn, Dalano, Precious and Boucher look competent on a consistent basis.

Flynn is not an nba player, neither is Dalano.

Precious has moments of greatness but his ball IQ is one of the worst in the league on offence. Boucher is just an energy guy. You can’t work with that in todays NBA.

Agree to disagree, but Nurse clearly didn't value shooting as much as much as his brand of defense, because he stopped playing Flynn when he started the season shooting 40+ percent from 3. He didn't find opportunities for guys like Harper jr. or Wisenkamp who would be 2 of our best shooters. He made Will Barton our initiator, instead of having an initiator set him up for open looks.

Not to mention the misuse of a guy like Dowtin, who most here like.

There was no misuse of Dowtin. It was the FO's decision to not give him a contract, not Nurse.

[hyper316]

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