Trade Thread, 2023-24 – (Offseason)

[Curmudgeon]

Brown to:

1. Atlanta for Bogdonovic and Okongwu
2. Cleveland for Allen and Osman
3. .....

I can construct about a dozen more Brown trades that I would do.

Well both of those ones are horrible.

Wait until you see some of my other ones.

[hugepatsfan]

Count me in the trade Brown crowd. Was in favor of the Brown/DWhite for KD trade when it was rumored. Still dunno what you get for him with a year left.

Brad likely offers max and we have at least another year with this core.

Only if Wyc isn't afraid of the 2nd apron. The second apron kicks in $17.5 M above the luxury tax line, so if the Celtics offer Brown the max they will be way over the 2nd apron, given the projected 162M luxury tax line for 2023-24.

If a team goes over the 2nd apron:

1. It loses the mid-level exception.
2. Can't use cash in trades
3. Can't take more salary in a trade than it sends out.
4. Can't aggregate salary in trades.
5. Cannot trade its first-round pick seven years in the future (ie. its 2030 pick in 2023/24)
6. Cannot sign players on the buyout market.
7. If over the 2nd apron two year out of four, that future frozen draft pick gets moved to the end of the first round, regardless of the team's record.

If we had a championship team, it might be worth the risk. But it looks like this team as presently constructed can't even win the EC, so maybe Brad ought to be given the opportunity to put together a team that can.

A supermax extension for Brown doesn’t kick in until 24-25 season. Zero impact whatsoever on the 23-24 situation. I also believe I read that the second apron and some of the penalties associated are being phased in over a couple of years. Not exactly sure the logistics of that though.

To your point about whether it is or isn’t a championship team, I think you’re being too literal. Obviously it’s a team that hasn’t won a championship, but there’s no magic 8Ball you can look into and get a clear answer on that. It’s 3/4 years in the ECF with this group. From an ownership spending standpoint, that qualifies to me as a team that’s in the running for a championship. I don’t think you can ever get any real certainty that a team can or will win, you just have to decide if the team has a realistic shot.

[Ben-N1ce]

Need a closer with balls. I think Tatum is a great player but hasn't shown to be able the close in tight games with a large sample size. Dame wants out and wants to win now. It's probably the only possible avenue to get a great player for a few years.

[hugepatsfan]

ATL gets: F Grant Williams (S&T), F Sam Hauser, G Payton Pritchard, C Mike Muscala

BOS gets: C Clint Capela

Our players want to play two bigs. Horford and Rob are both somewhat unreliable over the regular season. Capela gives us an option to play two bigs as much as we want.

TOR gets: G Derrick White, 25/27/29 1st rounders

BOS gets: F OG Anunoby

Honestly, I feel like we’re overpaying here in terms of picks, but TOR is stubborn and OG is such a perfect fit here.

Smart / Brogdon
Brown
OG
Tatum / Horford
Capela / RWilliams

Same late-game execution problems. I feel we need a better playmaking #2 whenever Tatum gets trapped and double-teamed or sits.

Don’t entirely disagree. But to me, the only path to getting a better #2 is to trade Brown for him. I don’t think we have the pieces to trade for a new #2 that knocks Brown down to #3. So if that comes available, go for it. But in the meantime I think you kind of need to roll with what you got and keep trying.

[Larry_Russell]

Only 1 real trade, imo

Brown for Simons, #3 and #23


Leaves tons of options to move forward with.

Example.

Smart, Simons, horford #23 to toronto for
Fvv and Siakam

FVV/pritchard/davidson
White/brogdon/begarin
Tatum/.../hauser
Siakam/grant/gallo
Timelord/muscala/kabengele

Pick #3 and mle.

Hire a new coach.

That team is miles better in playoffs

[Curmudgeon]

Brown to Utah for Markkanen and either Olynyk or THT. I doubt if you could get Clarkson along with Markkanen.
Brown to Portland for Grant, #3 and filler.
Brown to Dallas for Hardaway, Maxi Kleber and a first rounder.

And (of course) Brown to Sacramento for Sabonis and Davion Mitchell, or Brown and Horford for Sabonis and Harrison Barnes.

[Larry_Russell]

Brown to Utah for Markkanen and either Olynyk or THT. I doubt if you could get Clarkson along with Markkanen.
Brown to Portland for Grant, #3 and filler.
Brown to Dallas for Hardaway, Maxi Kleber and a first rounder.

And (of course) Brown to Sacramento for Sabonis and Davion Mitchell, or Brown and Horford for Sabonis and Harrison Barnes.

I am down with the portlans trade, but i thinknsimons is the better, higher value player than grant

[Curmudgeon]

Brown to Utah for Markkanen and either Olynyk or THT. I doubt if you could get Clarkson along with Markkanen.
Brown to Portland for Grant, #3 and filler.
Brown to Dallas for Hardaway, Maxi Kleber and a first rounder.

And (of course) Brown to Sacramento for Sabonis and Davion Mitchell, or Brown and Horford for Sabonis and Harrison Barnes.

I am down with the portlans trade, but i thinknsimons is the better, higher value player than grant

But he's another guard signed for too much money.

Brown to the Nets for Bridges and filler.

[big-shot-ROB]

This teams needs a proper PG. Trading Brown is not the answer, you're getting pennies on the dollar and all these suggested players suck.
The best path forward is firing Mazzula once this ends, and see whats out there for Smart + Brodgdon + fillers that can take the ball out of Tatum's hands and specially Brown's.
A proper orchestrator + a new coach is clearly the answer. We also ship Brogdon out who continues to be hunted on defense + break the trio.
But you guys are overreacting. Winning a championship is really hard. Tatum needs to play like a top-5 player every game and he's not there. The window is still pretty much open, it's not like Brown and Tatum are 30.
Small adjustments and re-try, who is going to challenge us in the East? Mil is old, Philly in shambles, Knicks lack top talent, maybe Cavs but Tatum+Brown is better than Garland+Mitchell

We're not at a point where we need to get crazy. Hell, bring back Udoka and we're back in the finals next year with the same exact roster as yesterday.

[Parliament10]

Brown to Utah for Markkanen and either Olynyk or THT. I doubt if you could get Clarkson along with Markkanen.
Brown to Portland for Grant, #3 and filler.
Brown to Dallas for Hardaway, Maxi Kleber and a first rounder.

And (of course) Brown to Sacramento for Sabonis and Davion Mitchell, or Brown and Horford for Sabonis and Harrison Barnes.

I am down with the portlans trade, but i thinknsimons is the better, higher value player than grant

I like any Trade for Portland's #3 Pick, that doesn't Include Tatum or Brown.

[hugepatsfan]

This teams needs a proper PG. Trading Brown is not the answer, you're getting pennies on the dollar and all these suggested players suck.
The best path forward is firing Mazzula once this ends, and see whats out there for Smart + Brodgdon + fillers that can take the ball out of Tatum's hands and specially Brown's.
A proper orchestrator + a new coach is clearly the answer. We also ship Brogdon out who continues to be hunted on defense + break the trio.
But you guys are overreacting. Winning a championship is really hard. Tatum needs to play like a top-5 player every game and he's not there. The window is still pretty much open, it's not like Brown and Tatum are 30.
Small adjustments and re-try, who is going to challenge us in the East? Mil is old, Philly in shambles, Knicks lack top talent, maybe Cavs but Tatum+Brown is better than Garland+Mitchell

We're not at a point where we need to get crazy. Hell, bring back Udoka and we're back in the finals next year with the same exact roster as yesterday.

Good idea in theory, but

1) Who is this “proper orchestrator” out there?
2) Is he available for what you’re willing to put on the table?
3) In addition to the offensive talents you want, does he ALSO have the defensive chops since you want Brogdon out of here over that?

If there even is a proper orchestrator who’s also defensively competent out there who’s available for trade, hard to believe he can be had without giving up Brown IMO.

[darrendaye]

Brown to Portland for Grant, #3 and filler.

[big-shot-ROB]

This teams needs a proper PG. Trading Brown is not the answer, you're getting pennies on the dollar and all these suggested players suck.
The best path forward is firing Mazzula once this ends, and see whats out there for Smart + Brodgdon + fillers that can take the ball out of Tatum's hands and specially Brown's.
A proper orchestrator + a new coach is clearly the answer. We also ship Brogdon out who continues to be hunted on defense + break the trio.
But you guys are overreacting. Winning a championship is really hard. Tatum needs to play like a top-5 player every game and he's not there. The window is still pretty much open, it's not like Brown and Tatum are 30.
Small adjustments and re-try, who is going to challenge us in the East? Mil is old, Philly in shambles, Knicks lack top talent, maybe Cavs but Tatum+Brown is better than Garland+Mitchell

We're not at a point where we need to get crazy. Hell, bring back Udoka and we're back in the finals next year with the same exact roster as yesterday.

Good idea in theory, but

1) Who is this “proper orchestrator” out there?
2) Is he available for what you’re willing to put on the table?
3) In addition to the offensive talents you want, does he ALSO have the defensive chops since you want Brogdon out of here over that?

If there even is a proper orchestrator who’s also defensively competent out there who’s available for trade, hard to believe he can be had without giving up Brown IMO.

Off the top of my head the Jones brothers, Monte Morris is rotting in WAS, Conley, Lowry, FVV. I don't think you need Brown to try to get any of those players.

[hugepatsfan]

This teams needs a proper PG. Trading Brown is not the answer, you're getting pennies on the dollar and all these suggested players suck.
The best path forward is firing Mazzula once this ends, and see whats out there for Smart + Brodgdon + fillers that can take the ball out of Tatum's hands and specially Brown's.
A proper orchestrator + a new coach is clearly the answer. We also ship Brogdon out who continues to be hunted on defense + break the trio.
But you guys are overreacting. Winning a championship is really hard. Tatum needs to play like a top-5 player every game and he's not there. The window is still pretty much open, it's not like Brown and Tatum are 30.
Small adjustments and re-try, who is going to challenge us in the East? Mil is old, Philly in shambles, Knicks lack top talent, maybe Cavs but Tatum+Brown is better than Garland+Mitchell

We're not at a point where we need to get crazy. Hell, bring back Udoka and we're back in the finals next year with the same exact roster as yesterday.

Good idea in theory, but

1) Who is this “proper orchestrator” out there?
2) Is he available for what you’re willing to put on the table?
3) In addition to the offensive talents you want, does he ALSO have the defensive chops since you want Brogdon out of here over that?

If there even is a proper orchestrator who’s also defensively competent out there who’s available for trade, hard to believe he can be had without giving up Brown IMO.

Off the top of my head the Jones brothers, Monte Morris is rotting in WAS, Conley, Lowry, FVV. I don't think you need Brown to try to get any of those players.

I don’t think any of those guys are good enough that you’re going to win anything if you’re giving them the ball to run offense in crunch time. You need your best players doing that. FVV has sucked for like 2 years now. Conley and Lowry are old and in decline. In the past they might have worked, not now.

And don’t get me wrong, any/all of them could help in spurts. But they aren’t fixing the issue big picture IMO.

[big-shot-ROB]

Good idea in theory, but

1) Who is this “proper orchestrator” out there?
2) Is he available for what you’re willing to put on the table?
3) In addition to the offensive talents you want, does he ALSO have the defensive chops since you want Brogdon out of here over that?

If there even is a proper orchestrator who’s also defensively competent out there who’s available for trade, hard to believe he can be had without giving up Brown IMO.

Off the top of my head the Jones brothers, Monte Morris is rotting in WAS, Conley, Lowry, FVV. I don't think you need Brown to try to get any of those players.

I don’t think any of those guys are good enough that you’re going to win anything if you’re giving them the ball to run offense in crunch time. You need your best players doing that. FVV has sucked for like 2 years now. Conley and Lowry are old and in decline. In the past they might have worked, not now.

And don’t get me wrong, any/all of them could help in spurts. But they aren’t fixing the issue big picture IMO.

The thing is that you don't need them to "run" offense, just to set it up and act as natural links in our motion. By either a coach change who completly overhauls our **** ISO centric offense, Tatum continuing to improve as a playmaker or by acquiring one of these players you should be able to fix the big picture.

The big picture is we can't mantain leads because our offense sucks when Tatum sits because Brown is a finisher (and kinda dumb), Brodgon is selfish and White and Smart are not natural PGs.

[big-shot-ROB]

Spoiler:

Off the top of my head the Jones brothers, Monte Morris is rotting in WAS, Conley, Lowry, FVV. I don't think you need Brown to try to get any of those players.

I don’t think any of those guys are good enough that you’re going to win anything if you’re giving them the ball to run offense in crunch time. You need your best players doing that. FVV has sucked for like 2 years now. Conley and Lowry are old and in decline. In the past they might have worked, not now.

And don’t get me wrong, any/all of them could help in spurts. But they aren’t fixing the issue big picture IMO.

The thing is that you don't need them to "run" offense, just to set it up and act as natural links in our motion. By either a coach change who completly overhauls our **** ISO centric offense, Tatum continuing to improve as a playmaker or by acquiring one of these players you should be able to fix the big picture.

The big picture is we can't mantain leads because our offense sucks when Tatum sits because Brown is a finisher (and kinda dumb), Brodgon is selfish and White and Smart are not natural PGs.

Last two years have been NBA Finals and ECF. If we're actually missing culture, let's hire a coach that sets it.

[Larry_Russell]

Brown to Utah for Markkanen and either Olynyk or THT. I doubt if you could get Clarkson along with Markkanen.
Brown to Portland for Grant, #3 and filler.
Brown to Dallas for Hardaway, Maxi Kleber and a first rounder.

And (of course) Brown to Sacramento for Sabonis and Davion Mitchell, or Brown and Horford for Sabonis and Harrison Barnes.

I am down with the portlans trade, but i thinknsimons is the better, higher value player than grant

I like any Trade for Portland's #3 Pick, that doesn't Include Tatum or Brown.

They can have smart and horford

[31to6]

I am down with the portlans trade, but i thinknsimons is the better, higher value player than grant

I like any Trade for Portland's #3 Pick, that doesn't Include Tatum or Brown.

They can have smart and horford

for Scoot Henderson (28% from 3, 3.4 TO/game in the G league last year) or the Alabama 'pat-down' kid who's currently out of shape? Not feeling that from a Celtics 'win-now' perspective -- why reset the clock?

[hugepatsfan]

Guys really? Smart and Horford for #3? Can we be realistic…

[GoCeltics123]

People aren't going to like this, but if we move on of the three guards, it's time to get this guy (if he's traded and bought out)