NBA Draft Thread 2023

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The Heat may have a chance to get him as a UDFA

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I like that grant Nelson kid a lot. He’s obviously pretty skilled offensively and that 3 ball will definitely develop. What’s his wingspan? He’s 6’11 225 and looks like he has been longer arms.

I like these guys that have experience as top dog on these smaller schools with great size and good athleticism.

As for Jovic, I legit think he’s being developed as a PG

Nelson measured at 6-10 without shoes at the combine — nearly 3 inches taller than Tshiebwe, for comparison’s sake — and had a 7-foot wingspan, officially weighing in at 223 pounds. He averaged 17.9 points, 9.3 rebounds and 1.7 blocked shots per game this past season. Plenty productive, albeit against a considerably lower level of competition.

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He's big, athletic, but very raw.

Jovic is more skilled, mature - I have big expectations for him next year.

People forget Rex, but Jovic has just done his one year apprenticeship. He’s going to be our Love/Turkoglu hybrid 4.

Yes, definitely. People forget or underestimate Jovic. Jovic has a very good skill set. If he builds muscle and gains experience he'll be a pretty good player in a few years. Drafting another PF is pointless if you think of Jovic as a project.

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Kobe Brown, one of three power forwards that fits Heat system that are likely in the range for the Heat. Excellent to see Kobe is showing his maturity and getting his body ready for the nba. Excellent sign for this guys future. #HeatCulture

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Anyone know this kid? I don't think we need a second Jovic.

Offensive footwork and game looks 2-3 years ahead of Jovic. He also is quick off the dribble for his size, has some benefits over Jovic for sure.

Just a different player than Jovic imo. He’s also 2 years older than Jovic.

Somewhat concerning lack of 3 ball. More paint and midrange oriented. More turnovers than assists in college. Doesn’t seem as fluid in space or on the perimeter. He def has an intriguing combo of skills and length. I’m just concerned that his offensive game seems very iso/ball dominant and he seems to require a lot of space in and around the paint for his offense.

Nelson reminds me of Sam Dekker as a prospect. But has a little more length

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Kobe Brown, one of three power forwards that fits Heat system that are likely in the range for the Heat. Excellent to see Kobe is showing his maturity and getting his body ready for the nba. Excellent sign for this guys future. #HeatCulture

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Olivier Maxence Prosper
Noah Clowney

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You’re not a believer in Leonard Miller or Kris Murray? Or don’t think they’ll be available around pick 18?

To me they’re my 2 favorite PF prospects that fit the Heat mold and have a chance to be there at 18

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Kobe Brown, one of three power forwards that fits Heat system that are likely in the range for the Heat. Excellent to see Kobe is showing his maturity and getting his body ready for the nba. Excellent sign for this guys future. #HeatCulture

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Olivier Maxence Prosper
Noah Clowney

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You’re not a believer in Leonard Miller or Kris Murray? Or don’t think they’ll be available around pick 18?

To me they’re my 2 favorite PF prospects that fit the Heat mold and have a chance to be there at 18

Kobe Brown is a great option if we decide to trade back. Considering our timeline and cap situation if wouldn’t shock me if we trade out of the first in order to get rid of some salary in the process. I see the Pistons sitting a 31 who just might be interested in jumping up to 18.

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Kobe Brown, one of three power forwards that fits Heat system that are likely in the range for the Heat. Excellent to see Kobe is showing his maturity and getting his body ready for the nba. Excellent sign for this guys future. #HeatCulture

Kobe Brown
Olivier Maxence Prosper
Noah Clowney

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You’re not a believer in Leonard Miller or Kris Murray? Or don’t think they’ll be available around pick 18?

To me they’re my 2 favorite PF prospects that fit the Heat mold and have a chance to be there at 18

Kobe Brown is a great option if we decide to trade back. Considering our timeline and cap situation if wouldn’t shock me if we trade out of the first in order to get rid of some salary in the process. I see the Pistons sitting a 31 who just might be interested in jumping up to 18.

Kobe Brown looks like a good fit for the role player PF that the Heat target as value acquisitions—the PJ Tucker archetype.

Darius Days is another guy who fit the mold and is looking super promising now. Shame we let him get away.

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You’re not a believer in Leonard Miller or Kris Murray? Or don’t think they’ll be available around pick 18?

To me they’re my 2 favorite PF prospects that fit the Heat mold and have a chance to be there at 18

Kobe Brown is a great option if we decide to trade back. Considering our timeline and cap situation if wouldn’t shock me if we trade out of the first in order to get rid of some salary in the process. I see the Pistons sitting a 31 who just might be interested in jumping up to 18.

Kobe Brown looks like a good fit for the role player PF that the Heat target as value acquisitions—the PJ Tucker archetype.

Darius Days is another guy who fit the mold and is looking super promising now. Shame we let him get away.

My concerns with Miller and Murry is defensively, and how the Heat like to use their powerforwards. They both remind me of Ariza and DJJ, look the part but their games doesnt fit. Miller appears that he is really 6'11 small forward. Kris Murray it is hard to read because he was never used how the Heat would use him. Murray was primarily a stretch center, and it appears they put him at center because there are not a lot of centers to worry about in college. One thing about Murray is he is not atheletic, not very good in traffic when quality size is on him. Spo wants to press with his power forwards, Spo wants his power forwards to be able to defend Giannis, Embiid and Kyrie or Dame. In Kobe, Clowney and Prosper, I have confidence they will compete defensively and will battle in the paint, be physical and set screens. That is what lacked in DJJ and Ariza oppose to Crowder, Love and Tucker. DJJ and Ariza could defend wings but were physically out matched to defend bigs.

In Kobe will bring passing offense and strength in the paint, Prosper will run his ass off and an explosive leaper in traffic, Clowney is also an explosive leaper and will bring shot blocker. I believe Kobe, Clowney and Prosper can play the system defensively and offensively and be a huge factor without a single play called for them to score.

I havent written off Miller or Murray, and I am not saying they are not good talents, I am more confident in Prosper, Kobe and Clowney that they bring more to the table in how they would be used from what iv seen so far on tapes. I am sure the Heat will workout Murray and Miller and they may show things in workouts that could not be seen on tape.

I would definitely take Murray at this point over Miller. Wish I would of gotten to see them in the scrimmage thou

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In Miller’s case I think a lot of what you’re communicating comes down to him being a 19 year old and playing a new role as a big man after always playing as a wing—while also going from prep to pro in the G league. I see plenty of promise in him being able to become a dawg defensively with his lateral mobility and body control. Can’t teach or train for the length and frame he’s got.

Older prospects def tend to be further along in being coached up as sound team defenders.

I don’t necessarily see Miller becoming the full court bludgeon Spo likes to deploy at times to ball pressure and wear down lead ballhandlers. But I’m confident that’s not exclusively a position specific task and more personnel driven.

Murray’s older and doesn’t have the same plus traits for benefit of doubt. He def had a varied offensive role beyond typical center role. I honestly don’t recall how he stacked up as a defender. I thought I recalled enough mobility to think their could be more there with the right coaching and the right role focus

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In Miller’s case I think a lot of what you’re communicating comes down to him being a 19 year old and playing a new role as a big man after always playing as a wing—while also going from prep to pro in the G league. I see plenty of promise in him being able to become a dawg defensively with his lateral mobility and body control. Can’t teach or train for the length and frame he’s got.

Older prospects def tend to be further along in being coached up as sound team defenders.

I don’t necessarily see Miller becoming the full court bludgeon Spo likes to deploy at times to ball pressure and wear down lead ballhandlers. But I’m confident that’s not exclusively a position specific task and more personnel driven.

Murray’s older and doesn’t have the same plus traits for benefit of doubt. He def had a varied offensive role beyond typical center role. I honestly don’t recall how he stacked up as a defender. I thought I recalled enough mobility to think their could be more there with the right coaching and the right role focus

Since putting Bam into the starting lineup, Spo has been searching for a press power forward, the pool of players didnt really exist at the time and still very rare. If possible I believe Spo will press at a high volume and I understand why. It to prevent team from exposing the lack of size and to cause turnovers. Also Spo wants to take bam out of the screen and role action more often on defense. Having a defender who can defend centers and attacking ball handling on switches causing havoc to ball handlers in a PnR action. But like I said I am not writting them off. I am interested in what comes out when they work Kris and Leonard out.

You are right you can not teach size, but there are players who are big but do not use their size and not comfortable in physical games. But like I said, the way they were used last year, it is not easy to know how well they translate to the Heat system

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In Miller’s case I think a lot of what you’re communicating comes down to him being a 19 year old and playing a new role as a big man after always playing as a wing—while also going from prep to pro in the G league. I see plenty of promise in him being able to become a dawg defensively with his lateral mobility and body control. Can’t teach or train for the length and frame he’s got.

Older prospects def tend to be further along in being coached up as sound team defenders.

I don’t necessarily see Miller becoming the full court bludgeon Spo likes to deploy at times to ball pressure and wear down lead ballhandlers. But I’m confident that’s not exclusively a position specific task and more personnel driven.

Murray’s older and doesn’t have the same plus traits for benefit of doubt. He def had a varied offensive role beyond typical center role. I honestly don’t recall how he stacked up as a defender. I thought I recalled enough mobility to think their could be more there with the right coaching and the right role focus

Since putting Bam into the starting lineup, Spo has been searching for a press power forward, the pool of players didnt really exist at the time and still very rare. If possible I believe Spo will press at a high volume and I understand why. It to prevent team from exposing the lack of size and to cause turnovers. Also Spo wants to take bam out of the screen and role action more off on defense. Having a defender who can defend centers and attacking causing havoc to ball handlers in a PnR action. But like I said I am not writting them off, interested in what comes out when they work Kris and Leonard out.

You are right you can not teach size, but there are players who are big but do not use their size and not comfortable in physical games. But like I said, the way they were used last year, it is not easy to know how well they translate to the Heat system

Good stuff—I think I just see the press function as something that can be handled by a variety of positional role players.

Def banking on tools translating to more sound defense with coaching and development with Miller.

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Prosper playing every position defensively meanwhile primarily defending Jordan Hawkins

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Miller reminds me of a Jalen McDaniels type. Not bad, but I think we’d prefer someone with more brawn at the 4 spot.

Might be moot. Could draft a slider, or draft a PG/SG if we feel Vincent or Strus are going to be out of our salary range, or if Herro/Lowry are a goner and we need young depth.

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Miller reminds me of a Jalen McDaniels type. Not bad, but I think we’d prefer someone with more brawn at the 4 spot.

Might be moot. Could draft a slider, or draft a PG/SG if we feel Vincent or Strus are going to be out of our salary range, or if Herro/Lowry are a goner and we need young depth.

Jalen McDaniels +2 inches of length and 20 pounds of natural weight (comparing McDaniels at 22 to Miller today at 19--same case if you meant Jaden McDaniels) sounds pretty damn promising to me. Especially since Miller has literally grown half an inch in the past year. He also measured the second biggest hands in this year's draft combine, just behind 7'3 Zach Edey.

I see some of the rangy skillset comparisons with McDaniel, but I see an entirely different body type with Miller that allows him to have a much stronger paint presence on both sides of the ball. Part of it is his added length and that he's just a wider framed big man that will likely end up around 220+.

Interestingly, both McDaniel brothers only got FGA around the rim at a 20% clip while in college. Leonard Miller was able to get about 50% of his FGA at the rim while playing his lone season in the G League (and first year in a new role as a rangy big man).

I'd actually point to Christian Wood as a potential archetype for NBA player type for Leonard Miller. Similarly efficient games in the paint as finishers. Both have some perimeter skills--if Miller can get his 3 point shot to Wood's level he will be a great player. We've seen flashes of it throughout his G League season (and his FT shooting). Similar frames (Miller is a little taller and IMO has a bigger frame for weight).

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Will be very interesting what the Hornets do at 2 but Brandon Miller even in the face of all that adversity was still able to ball like crazy. If anything kid has got some serious resolve.

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Will be very interesting what the Hornets do at 2 but Brandon Miller even in the face of all that adversity was still able to ball like crazy. If anything kid has got some serious resolve.

Wasn’t he terrible the the ncaa tourney though?

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Guards

I haven't talked about guards, mostly the 4. But here are the guards I like that possibly be in Heat range.

Jalen Hood-Schifino
Ben Sheppard
Kenyontae Johnson
Colby Jones
Kobe Bufkin
Reece Beekman
Marcus Sasser
Jaylen Clark
Isaiah Monk

Hood-Schifino i have a feeling he will be gone by the 19th. Johnson i have kind of simmer on because he measured shorter than I hoped. I was hoping Johnson was big enough to play 2 to 4.

Colby Jones I really like. Jones has good ball handling skills and very good penetrator and good defender. Strong and can defend up.. Would give the Heat a lot of what they were hoping with Dipo.

Jaylen Clark is an elite defender and can give the Heat a Justise Winslow type of player


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Guards

I haven't talked about guards, mostly the 4. But here are the guards I like that possibly be in Heat range.

Jalen Hood-Schifino
Ben Sheppard
Kenyontae Johnson
Colby Jones
Kobe Bufkin
Reece Beekman
Marcus Sasser
Jaylen Clark
Isaiah Monk

Hood-Schifino i have a feeling he will be gone by the 19th. Johnson i have kind of simmer on because he measured shorter than I hoped. I was hoping Johnson was big enough to play 2 to 4.

Colby Jones I really like. Jones has good ball handling skills and very good penetrator and good defender. Strong and can defend up.. Would give the Heat a lot if what they were hoping with Dipo.

Jaylen Clark is an elite defender and can give the Heat a Justise Winslow type of player


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I'm intrigued by Colby Jones' stat profile.

- Good size for a combo guard with potential to play some SF
- Very balanced statistical output 15 ppg this season; 4.4 apg this season; 7.3 rpg last season (5.7 this season)
- As a perimeter player, he shows real ability to get into the paint (41% of his FGA at the rim) and finish (solid 61% finisher at the rim)
- Promising midrange game shooting 50% on 2-point jumpers
- Shows potential as a 3-point shooter at 38% from 3 this season (42.5% on catch and shoot 3s)

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Anyone know this kid? I don't think we need a second Jovic.

Offensive footwork and game looks 2-3 years ahead of Jovic. He also is quick off the dribble for his size, has some benefits over Jovic for sure.

Just a different player than Jovic imo. He’s also 2 years older than Jovic.

Somewhat concerning lack of 3 ball. More paint and midrange oriented. More turnovers than assists in college. Doesn’t seem as fluid in space or on the perimeter. He def has an intriguing combo of skills and length. I’m just concerned that his offensive game seems very iso/ball dominant and he seems to require a lot of space in and around the paint for his offense.

Nelson reminds me of Sam Dekker as a prospect. But has a little more length

I get that everything is dependent on his progress but am genuinely real curious as to what will the Miami Heat coaching staff have in mind for Jovic next year (role, position, playing time) and how that would play out in their draft strategy.