Should the Celtics consider trading Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum?

[JimmyPlopper]

They don't need to trade one because they don't get along or don't mesh well. But considering that they provide some of the same strengths and have some of the same weaknesses, it could benefit team construction by diversifying

[jazzfan1971]

I think they almost have to keep it together IMHO.

[VanWest82]

The new CBA will force this to happen eventually

[Pharmcat]

Tatum is the most overrated player in the league. He’s no Batman but rather an Alfred on a winning team . Dubs already exposed him in finals last year

[Duke4life831]

Regular season:
Offensive Rating with Tatum and Brown: 120
Offensive Rating with Tatum and no Brown: 122

Playoffs (yes small sample size for these kinds of numbers, just showing them because they're continuing the trend from the regular season):
Offensive Rating with Tatum and Brown: 115
Offensive Rating with Tatum and no Brown: 128
Offensive Rating with no Tatum and Brown: 122

I just dont think these guys play off of each other. They seem to be the perfect example of his turn, my turn offense.

[hugepatsfan]

I’d supermax Brown but knowing in the back of my mind I’ll think about trading him in the future. And heck, my guess is he’d sign it to get his $$$ but thinking he might ask out later.

In the meantime, I’d look to move Smart or White for a starting forward. I don’t have a problem with either of them. I’ll say White to BRK for Finney-Smith as an example deal, which has gotten positive feedback on the trade board.

Then I’d look to package some of their expiring salary (Gallinari, Pritchard, Muscala) along with a draft pick and try to get a good rotation center so they can play more two big lineups. Can include our ‘24 1st and a Grant Williams S&T too. My dream is Capela from ATL.

Get a more experienced coach.

Smart / Brogdon
Brown
Tatum / Hauser
DFS / Horford
Capela / RWilliams

Every single player there, assuming a Brown extension, would be signed for at least two years. I’d give it one more go with that group and then next year you have a bunch of expiring money and future picks to use in trades. Can also explore trading Brown, except on a long term deal rather than an expiring contract.

[Johnny Tomala]

I would have traded Brown for Butler long time ago. Brown can't get supermax. He is not a 2nd best player on championship team. 3rd at best. Tatum is also 2nd best player on championship team. Celtics won't win anything with Tatum and Brown as their 1nd, 2nd option.

[hugepatsfan]

They don't need to trade one because they don't get along or don't mesh well. But considering that they provide some of the same strengths and have some of the same weaknesses, it could benefit team construction by diversifying

This is where I’m at, and a good non-sensationalist take. Neither of them is a true lead ball handler. Tatum shows some developmental potential there, but does feel like there’s a bit of a ceiling to him there that might not be good enough. For Brown it’s just a glaring weakness in his game and the reason he’s “just” a borderline all NBA guy and not an MVP candidate (which is hardly an insult).

Ideally you keep both and just get a better lead ball handler. The question though is if you can get a player who checks that box without having to give up one of them, presumably Brown. You might be forced to make that tough call to trade him.

[PhilBlackson]

Problem is who can they realistically get right now because they certainly won’t have any use for rebuilding pieces like draft picks or they might as well ship Tatum too vs wasting the next 2-3 years for nothing…

So it’s either Brown for an upgrade or more likely fire Mazulla post game, let the water boy handle Game 4 and look to move the surrounding pieces to create a better fit.

I get how disappointing this must be for BOS fans, I’d furious too but finding a duo good enough to make multiple Conference Finals (and a Finals) BEFORE they’ve even hit their primes, doesn’t grow on trees.

[Threezus]

Yup Brown gets traded he's coming home to Atlanta. Now Boston what would you like in return my friends

[Norm2953]

It'd be interesting to see if now Boston picks up the phone and offers Brown to Portland for Dame

[Threezus]

They don't need to trade one because they don't get along or don't mesh well. But considering that they provide some of the same strengths and have some of the same weaknesses, it could benefit team construction by diversifying

This is where I’m at, and a good non-sensationalist take. Neither of them is a true lead ball handler. Tatum shows some developmental potential there, but does feel like there’s a bit of a ceiling to him there that might not be good enough. For Brown it’s just a glaring weakness in his game and the reason he’s “just” a borderline all NBA guy and not an MVP candidate (which is hardly an insult).

Ideally you keep both and just get a better lead ball handler. The question though is if you can get a player who checks that box without having to give up one of them, presumably Brown. You might be forced to make that tough call to trade him.

Hmm so from the last 2 posts you seem to want a lead ball handler and a Center like Capela. Lucky for you the 2 things i want to get rid of on the Hawks in trades right now is Murray a very very good lead ball handler and Capela who doesn't mesh well with Trae and Collins. Those are 2 good pieces to start a trade with for Brown. Brown is better without the ball in his hands where as Trae is at his best with it. Those 2 pair much better than Trae and Murray do and we can then go get a stretch 5 to replace Capela and pair with Collins and Onyeka.

[Harry Garris]

Jaylen Brown yes, depending on what the market is for him. I think it’s almost certain that the Celtics will need to offer him the super max to keep him around, and having a guy who’s not a true superstar on a supermax contract can hang string a franchise. Especially because they’ll have to give Tatum one as well in a couple more seasons.

[JimmyPlopper]

They don't need to trade one because they don't get along or don't mesh well. But considering that they provide some of the same strengths and have some of the same weaknesses, it could benefit team construction by diversifying

This is where I’m at, and a good non-sensationalist take. Neither of them is a true lead ball handler. Tatum shows some developmental potential there, but does feel like there’s a bit of a ceiling to him there that might not be good enough. For Brown it’s just a glaring weakness in his game and the reason he’s “just” a borderline all NBA guy and not an MVP candidate (which is hardly an insult).

Ideally you keep both and just get a better lead ball handler. The question though is if you can get a player who checks that box without having to give up one of them, presumably Brown. You might be forced to make that tough call to trade him.

Hmm so from the last 2 posts you seem to want a lead ball handler and a Center like Capela. Lucky for you the 2 things i want to get rid of on the Hawks in trades right now is Murray a good lead ball handler and Capela who doesn't mesh well with Trae and Collins. Those are 2 good pieces to start a trade with for brown. Brown is better without the ball in his hands where as Trae is at his best with it. Those 2 pair much better than Trae and Murray do and we can then go get a Stretch 5 to replace Capela and pair with Collins and Onyeka.

Maybe something like Brown and Smart for Murray and Capela?

[JB2]

It'd be interesting to see if now Boston picks up the phone and offers Brown to Portland for Dame

if feel like this is almost a no brainer for both teams but I can also see why both teams wouldn't. Boston would shorten their window a bunch while PDX would finally be embracing a full rebuild which they seem stupidly hesitant about. Brown, White, Gallo/Filler, 2 1st w/ some level of protection for Dame

[hugepatsfan]

They don't need to trade one because they don't get along or don't mesh well. But considering that they provide some of the same strengths and have some of the same weaknesses, it could benefit team construction by diversifying

This is where I’m at, and a good non-sensationalist take. Neither of them is a true lead ball handler. Tatum shows some developmental potential there, but does feel like there’s a bit of a ceiling to him there that might not be good enough. For Brown it’s just a glaring weakness in his game and the reason he’s “just” a borderline all NBA guy and not an MVP candidate (which is hardly an insult).

Ideally you keep both and just get a better lead ball handler. The question though is if you can get a player who checks that box without having to give up one of them, presumably Brown. You might be forced to make that tough call to trade him.

Hmm so from the last 2 posts you seem to want a lead ball handler and a Center like Capela. Lucky for you the 2 things i want to get rid of on the Hawks in trades right now is Murray a good lead ball handler and Capela who doesn't mesh well with Trae and Collins. Those are 2 good pieces to start a trade with for brown. Brown is better without the ball in his hands where as Trae is at his best with it. Those 2 pair much better than Trae and Murray do and we can then go get a Stretch 5 to replace Capela and pair with Collins and Onyeka.

Not interested in moving Brown now. My assumption is that he extends and locks in the supermax because that’s a stupid amount of money to leave on the table. If he wants out he can just ask out next year and do it a much richer man. And from the team standpoint, even if you’d rather trade him than give him a supermax, you’ll get way more for him in a trade by just giving it to him and trading him with more years locked in later.

[Kalela]

Brown for De'Andre Hunter and Okongwu. Would that be fair? It would help both teams I think.

[hugepatsfan]

This is where I’m at, and a good non-sensationalist take. Neither of them is a true lead ball handler. Tatum shows some developmental potential there, but does feel like there’s a bit of a ceiling to him there that might not be good enough. For Brown it’s just a glaring weakness in his game and the reason he’s “just” a borderline all NBA guy and not an MVP candidate (which is hardly an insult).

Ideally you keep both and just get a better lead ball handler. The question though is if you can get a player who checks that box without having to give up one of them, presumably Brown. You might be forced to make that tough call to trade him.

Hmm so from the last 2 posts you seem to want a lead ball handler and a Center like Capela. Lucky for you the 2 things i want to get rid of on the Hawks in trades right now is Murray a good lead ball handler and Capela who doesn't mesh well with Trae and Collins. Those are 2 good pieces to start a trade with for brown. Brown is better without the ball in his hands where as Trae is at his best with it. Those 2 pair much better than Trae and Murray do and we can then go get a Stretch 5 to replace Capela and pair with Collins and Onyeka.

Maybe something like Brown and Smart for Murray and Capela?

I think that’s terrible for Boston. I guess it depends on your Murray stance. In this trade, you seem to be valuing him as a legitimate replacement for Brown as a second star kind of guy. I just don’t think he’s that guy. I think he’s more of a souped up Marcus Smart than he is a suitable Jaylen Brown replacement.

[ITYSL]

Should the Sixers trade Embiid or Maxey? Those two can't even get out of the 2nd round.

[JimmyPlopper]

Hmm so from the last 2 posts you seem to want a lead ball handler and a Center like Capela. Lucky for you the 2 things i want to get rid of on the Hawks in trades right now is Murray a good lead ball handler and Capela who doesn't mesh well with Trae and Collins. Those are 2 good pieces to start a trade with for brown. Brown is better without the ball in his hands where as Trae is at his best with it. Those 2 pair much better than Trae and Murray do and we can then go get a Stretch 5 to replace Capela and pair with Collins and Onyeka.

Maybe something like Brown and Smart for Murray and Capela?

I think that’s terrible for Boston. I guess it depends on your Murray stance. In this trade, you seem to be valuing him as a legitimate replacement for Brown as a second star kind of guy. I just don’t think he’s that guy. I think he’s more of a souped up Marcus Smart than he is a suitable Jaylen Brown replacement.

Yeah as a value proposition on its own this probably needs adjustment. Just meant that it would be base on this as a core idea plus picks and prospects for evening. More of a fit-driven transaction than value driven