Official NBA General Discussion 2022-23 V4.0

[Rodrickle]

Looking at this Heat run...we really need a new culture and development program

And a true #1 who steps up in the playoffs

When did Jimmy become that? Was he always that?? In Chicago? Minny? Philly? The first time his team made it past the conference semis was 2020 in Miami when he was 30. But was he "a true #1 who steps up in the playoffs" before that?

He definitely was not as good as he is now, but was still good in Minny's 8 seed series. I think he deferred too much in Philly.

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[Tha Cynic]

Miami underachieved all year. They're much better than an 8 seed team. That's no different than the Warriors underachieving. You could have even seen the Warriors go further if they didn't run into matchup problems without a true 5.

The difference is in realizing a great team vs a treadmill team. It makes sense for Miami to push since they've made the finals and conference finals with this core before thought in still iffy about Tatum as the best player on a championship team. You could say the same about Boston. The Raptors are not a comparison to either team. Their current team is better compared to teams like Minny, Chicago or Atlanta. None of those teams have shown consistently that they are playoff teams.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Miami underachieved all year. They're much better than an 8 seed team. That's no different than the Warriors underachieving. You could have even seen the Warriors go further if they didn't run into matchup problems without a true 5.

The difference is in realizing a great team vs a treadmill team. It makes sense for Miami to push since they've made the finals and conference finals with this core before. You could say the same about Boston. The Raptors are not a comparison to either team. Their current team is better compared to teams like Minny, Chicago or Atlanta. None of those teams have shown consistently that they are playoff teams.

This has never been done before. Just stop right there. Doesn't matter what you think about overachieving, treadmill, whatever... This kind of run has never happened in the NBA.

[2019nbachamps]

Miami underachieved all year. They're much better than an 8 seed team. That's no different than the Warriors underachieving. You could have even seen the Warriors go further if they didn't run into matchup problems without a true 5.

The difference is in realizing a great team vs a treadmill team. It makes sense for Miami to push since they've made the finals and conference finals with this core before. You could say the same about Boston. The Raptors are not a comparison to either team. Their current team is better compared to teams like Minny, Chicago or Atlanta. None of those teams have shown consistently that they are playoff teams.

This has never been done before. Just stop right there. Doesn't matter what you think about overachieving, treadmill, whatever... This kind of run has never happened in the NBA.

Knicks made the final as an 8 seed in 99.

[Childs]

Miami underachieved all year. They're much better than an 8 seed team. That's no different than the Warriors underachieving. You could have even seen the Warriors go further if they didn't run into matchup problems without a true 5.

The difference is in realizing a great team vs a treadmill team. It makes sense for Miami to push since they've made the finals and conference finals with this core before. You could say the same about Boston. The Raptors are not a comparison to either team. Their current team is better compared to teams like Minny, Chicago or Atlanta. None of those teams have shown consistently that they are playoff teams.

This has never been done before. Just stop right there. Doesn't matter what you think about overachieving, treadmill, whatever... This kind of run has never happened in the NBA.

Knicks made the final as an 8 seed in 99.

That was a lockout season I believe. Im guessing alot of players weren't in game shape. This seems way more impressive.

[ash_k]

2 years ago, Gabe Vincent and Austin Reaves looked like CERTIFED scrubs and now they have been starring the playoffs..I dont know what happened to Nurse and his development methods; Flynn was way ahead of those two guys.

Boston has the talent to win 4 straights, however most likely a sweep with what they showed last night.

Going into the summer, I feel we are in the better position than both Sixers and Boston (something has to give with Jaylen Brown). Cleveland is probably still shocked of that 5-game with their soft bigs exposed by Freaking Mitch Robinson.Garland struggling with the pressure.
Then you got New York and the worst All-Star-playoff performer in the history of the game.

As a Raptors fan, things are looking better everyday especially if we can get BUD!

Miami is doing another hit-wonder (they had no business beating the Bucks and now exposing Boston FO's mistake of letting go the new Houston Rockets Coach.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Where are YOU getting your numbers from? I can see everything I said right there on that page except the part regarding his NetRTG which is found on nba.com. Are you using Brown's BPM this playoff run as evidence that he hasn't been impactful in the playoffs throughout his career? Otherwise, I have no clue what you're talking about lol.

Look harder.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html

And understand that formula.

I understand that formula perfectly well. Individual ORTG and DRTG is a terrible measure on its own for one's abilities and/or impact though. Or do you seriously think FVV (+3) is more impactful than Jrue (-1) and Ja (-1) while being similarly as impactful as SGA (+3) and Luka (+4)? Is Siakam (+5) as impactful as George (+5) and Tatum (+6)? Is GTJ (+0) more impactful than Beal (-2) and Booker (-4)? Like come on lol.

You did not refer to what those net ratings are if they're a specific season, career, playoffs. I have no clue what you're talking about so lay it out properly if you want a response.

Actually most posters don't bother with you so I won't either. Ja Morant is overrated and so is Beal. Booker has been poor in terms of overall efficiency until this season and playoff when he went insane. High volume chuckers or flashy players who stink on defense appeal to casual fans like yourself and rarely win anything important in the NBA.

[ATLTimekeeper]

This has never been done before. Just stop right there. Doesn't matter what you think about overachieving, treadmill, whatever... This kind of run has never happened in the NBA.

Knicks made the final as an 8 seed in 99.

That was a lockout season I believe. Im guessing alot of players weren't in game shape. This seems way more impressive.

Plus best of 5 opening rounds led to more upsets. This is history. Could be the sign of an incoming era of parity. We don't know that yet, but more teams opting to compete is good for the health of the league. Only 6 teams won more than 50 games this year. Denver only won 53 games, so no matter what we're going to have the lowest winning champ since the suspect DWhistle finals in 2006.

[tecumseh18]

Read on Twitter

*Sigh* Is the problem really that even middling free agents who were waived by their teams refuse to sign with a Canadian-based team. So we're forever stuck trying develop scrubs. This team would be so much better with some professional guys (like a KCP, or Caleb Martin) off the bench.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Man it's actually unreal the depths people go to try to perpetuate lies about players. SGA +12 net rtg this year with a .535 ftR on insanely high usage, the likes of which Siakam or FVV has never touched. Siakam was supremely efficient when he was taking 11.8 fgs a game as a 3rd/4th option with a spin move nobody could defend and 3 point shot that actually dropped.

[DreamTeam09]

Look harder.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html

And understand that formula.

I understand that formula perfectly well. Individual ORTG and DRTG is a terrible measure on its own for one's abilities and/or impact though. Or do you seriously think FVV (+3) is more impactful than Jrue (-1) and Ja (-1) while being similarly as impactful as SGA (+3) and Luka (+4)? Is Siakam (+5) as impactful as George (+5) and Tatum (+6)? Is GTJ (+0) more impactful than Beal (-2) and Booker (-4)? Like come on lol.

You did not refer to what those net ratings are if they're a specific season, career, playoffs. I have no clue what you're talking about so lay it out properly if you want a response.

Actually most posters don't bother with you so I won't either. Ja Morant is overrated and so is Beal. Booker has been poor in terms of overall efficiency until this season and playoff when he went insane. High volume chuckers or flashy players who stink on defense appeal to casual fans like yourself and rarely win anything important in the NBA.

Teams would gut and tank their franchise for a Booker and or JA pre shenanigans

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I understand that formula perfectly well. Individual ORTG and DRTG is a terrible measure on its own for one's abilities and/or impact though. Or do you seriously think FVV (+3) is more impactful than Jrue (-1) and Ja (-1) while being similarly as impactful as SGA (+3) and Luka (+4)? Is Siakam (+5) as impactful as George (+5) and Tatum (+6)? Is GTJ (+0) more impactful than Beal (-2) and Booker (-4)? Like come on lol.

You did not refer to what those net ratings are if they're a specific season, career, playoffs. I have no clue what you're talking about so lay it out properly if you want a response.

Actually most posters don't bother with you so I won't either. Ja Morant is overrated and so is Beal. Booker has been poor in terms of overall efficiency until this season and playoff when he went insane. High volume chuckers or flashy players who stink on defense appeal to casual fans like yourself and rarely win anything important in the NBA.

Teams would gut and tank their franchise for a Booker and or JA pre shenanigans

Thanks for the inside information.

[DreamTeam09]

Read on Twitter

*Sigh* Is the problem really that even middling free agents who were waived by their teams refuse to sign with a Canadian-based team. So we're forever stuck trying develop scrubs. This team would be so much better with some professional guys (like a KCP, or Caleb Martin) off the bench.

The Woah is us mentality is not needed with that one, Jcole actually called a friend he had in the Miami organization to give C.Martin a tryout. The heat was having a scrimmage in Vegas the next day and the rest is history.

Agreed tho, we gotta hit on one or a couple of those. I guess OPJ was supposed to be that

[ATLTimekeeper]

Read on Twitter

*Sigh* Is the problem really that even middling free agents who were waived by their teams refuse to sign with a Canadian-based team. So we're forever stuck trying develop scrubs. This team would be so much better with some professional guys (like a KCP, or Caleb Martin) off the bench.

The Woah is us mentality is not needed with that one, Jcole actually called a friend he had in the Miami organization to give C.Martin a tryout. The heat was having a scrimmage in Vegas the next day and the rest is history.

Agreed tho, we gotta hit on one or a couple of those. I guess OPJ was supposed to be that

These guys will just use this to complain about Drake

[MoneyBall]

The Heat are an incredible story but let me just say I fully expect them to get crushed by Jokic.

I'm also convinced Spo is a top 3 coach in NBA history.

[2019nbachamps]

Knicks made the final as an 8 seed in 99.

That was a lockout season I believe. Im guessing alot of players weren't in game shape. This seems way more impressive.

Plus best of 5 opening rounds led to more upsets. This is history. Could be the sign of an incoming era of parity. We don't know that yet, but more teams opting to compete is good for the health of the league. Only 6 teams won more than 50 games this year. Denver only won 53 games, so no matter what we're going to have the lowest winning champ since the suspect DWhistle finals in 2006.

I get what you guys are saying but I don’t think we see an incoming era of low seeds consistently doing what the Heat are doing for these reasons:

-the Heat aren’t a typical 8 seed. They finished 1st last year and went to game 7 of the ECF. They made the final in 2020

-they’re one of the best run teams in the NBA. Continuity at the GM/Coach level keeps the players in line

-they have a superstar capable of winning games on his own

There’s no question the NBA has more parity. I also expect greater parity when the new cap rules kick in in 24/25. However we aren’t gonna see crappy 8 seeds come out of nowhere and routinely make the final.

As you guys point out, it’s the first time it’s happened in the play-in era but we also need to recognize the Heat aren’t some crappy low seed like the Raptors, Bulls, Hawks.

[Childs]

That was a lockout season I believe. Im guessing alot of players weren't in game shape. This seems way more impressive.

Plus best of 5 opening rounds led to more upsets. This is history. Could be the sign of an incoming era of parity. We don't know that yet, but more teams opting to compete is good for the health of the league. Only 6 teams won more than 50 games this year. Denver only won 53 games, so no matter what we're going to have the lowest winning champ since the suspect DWhistle finals in 2006.

I get what you guys are saying but I don’t think we see an incoming era of low seeds consistently doing what the Heat are doing for these reasons:

-the Heat aren’t a typical 8 seed. They finished 1st last year and went to game 7 of the ECF. They made the final in 2020

-they’re one of the best run teams in the NBA. Continuity at the GM/Coach level keeps the players in line

-they have a superstar capable of winning games on his own

There’s no question the NBA has more parity. I also expect greater parity when the new cap rules kick in in 24/25. However we aren’t gonna see crappy 8 seeds come out of nowhere and routinely make the final.

As you guys point out, it’s the first time it’s happened in the play-in era but we also need to recognize the Heat aren’t some crappy low seed like the Raptors, Bulls, Hawks.

Oh yeah heck no, next time we may see this again is 20 plus yrs from now, unless the Heat do the same thing next yr.

[DreamTeam09]

2 years ago, Gabe Vincent and Austin Reaves looked like CERTIFED scrubs and now they have been starring the playoffs..I dont know what happened to Nurse and his development methods; Flynn was way away of those two guys.

Boston has the talent to win 4 straights, however most likely a sweep with what they showed last night.

Going into the summer, I feel we are in the better position than both Sixers and Boston (something has to give with Jaylen Brown). Cleveland is probably still shocked of that 5-game with their soft bigs exposed by Freaking Mitch Robinson.Garland struggling with the pressure.
Then you got New York and the worst All-Star-playoff performer in the history of the game.

As a Raptors fan, things are looking better everyday especially if we can get BUD!

Miami is doing another hit-wonder (they had no business beating the Bucks and now exposing Boston FO's mistake of letting go the new Houston Rockets Coach.

This was my mindset from the jump, every team has just as many questions as ours, just as difficult if not more, because they're playing/paying with bigger stars bigger $$$

Wtf direction is GSW gonna take, very expensive
Lakers got gotta sign their own n get better

Coaches fired every other day, it's a warzone for everyone

[Kingsway_fan]

Rooting fir Nuggets all the way...

[mdenny]

2 years ago, Gabe Vincent and Austin Reaves looked like CERTIFED scrubs and now they have been starring the playoffs..I dont know what happened to Nurse and his development methods; Flynn was way away of those two guys.

Boston has the talent to win 4 straights, however most likely a sweep with what they showed last night.

Going into the summer, I feel we are in the better position than both Sixers and Boston (something has to give with Jaylen Brown). Cleveland is probably still shocked of that 5-game with their soft bigs exposed by Freaking Mitch Robinson.Garland struggling with the pressure.
Then you got New York and the worst All-Star-playoff performer in the history of the game.

As a Raptors fan, things are looking better everyday especially if we can get BUD!

Miami is doing another hit-wonder (they had no business beating the Bucks and now exposing Boston FO's mistake of letting go the new Houston Rockets Coach.

This was my mindset from the jump, every team has just as many questions as ours, just as difficult if not more, because they're playing/paying with bigger stars bigger $$$

Wtf direction is GSW gonna take, very expensive
Lakers got gotta sign their own n get better

Coaches fired every other day, it's a warzone for everyone

The heat were 26th in the league in 3 point shooting. They allow dribble penetration at the perimeter and give up the corner 3.

If anyone feels like actually talking basketball in this thread instead of trolling and carrying on with the agenda warz....they might be interested to know that the heat run kinda proves nurse' defensive scheme can work.