What Hawks gonna do this offseason

[tbhawksfan1]

Awefully quiet in here so I'm gonna start a thread

So what are the Hawks gonna do:

Consolidation trade to land a top 20 player

Lateral trades to fix chemistry / talent

Mostly stand pat and see if Quin can work magic

Salary dump and step back to step up later

[Geaux_Hawks]

Roster construction is our problem. I could see a few moves being made to help balance out the roster. More so the starters really. Depending on who the targets are will determine how much of it is salary dump and fixing the talent/chemistry. I don't think we have the opportunity to really land a top 20 talent. We could however take some shots on reclamation projects. Probably not the most attractive idea, but Jonathan Isaac wouldn't be a bad move.

[dms269]

The issue we have is our picks are handicapped and several of the players have little value. Collins is not going to net you anything and Hunter had a down year.

I then you shop Murray a see what you can get. The Trae/Murray experiment is too inconsistent.

I for one would shop Clint. We have OO and need to see if he has what it takes. I know people will say that Trae wants clint but we need to win, not appeal to Trae.

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[D21]

I much agree, the roster is not constructed the right way.

You said Trae wants Clint to stay, it has been heard several times, but he's also supposed to be the one that wanted Murray.
Two times he's a big part of a decision, and it's not working.

I'm also wondering why he wants so much to play with Clint. It has been said "defense", but he's also the one who can take lobs, and don't ask for more on offense. If he scores, it's basically an assist for Trae... and I suspect this has importance regarding the will to keep him. It's not like Trae hasn't proved that he likes stats, the two games this season (both Vs ORL if I'm not wrong) where he started with a lot of assists, so goes for the 10 without scoring a lot, then he started to score only until he reached 30pts, and at last, he decided to play with more balance between passing and scoring (but certainly finished with some hero ball).

This is a thing I don't want to see again, and I hope that Quin will fix that.

With a full offseason with Quin, I expect this exact same roster to be better, so I would not sell low on the guys that have less value now than what they should have.
If trading, I would trade only the one who can bring equal value, and use it to get more options. So Clint would be the first I would try to move, and I would see if IND would bite on a swap with Turner, depending on what needs to be added.

[dms269]

Unfortunately we are gonna have to move salary. I don't believe Ressler will do over the tax and right now we have too many high dollar guys.

I would expect Bogi to try and be moved if they feel someone can do the same cheaper (if not Griffin).

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[CP War Hawks]

Already a thread on this OFFS. I will say for the next 1.5 years we should build and compliment your best player atp in Trae. It's the window the Hawks have been waiting for, no dominant teams in the entire NBA, just good to semi great teams.

Hawks are very close to realizing their place in today's NBA. Get an elite wing two way defender/scorer in there. I can't remember the last one that's put on a Hawks uni in the past: 93 Nique for sure, 93 Augmon? Brown perhaps...

[dms269]

Already a thread on this OFFS. I will say for the next 1.5 years we should build and compliment your best player atp in Trae. It's the window the Hawks have been waiting for, no dominant teams in the entire NBA, just good to semi great teams.

Hawks are very close to realizing their place in today's NBA. Get an elite wing two way defender/scorer in there. I can't remember the last one that's put on a Hawks uni in the past: 93 Nique for sure, 93 Augmon? Brown perhaps...

How do we get that elite two-way defender/scorer? We are pick strapped due to the Murray deal. I am not even sure Murray+Hunter gets you one unfortunately.

[Jamaaliver]

I know we as fans tend to focus on the top of the roster, but I'd like to see Hawks pivot and add more focus into developing UDFAs into actual rotation players.

it'd improve depth, defense and alleviate some of our salary cap issues. Miami seems to have found a nice balance.

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[CP War Hawks]

Already a thread on this OFFS. I will say for the next 1.5 years we should build and compliment your best player atp in Trae. It's the window the Hawks have been waiting for, no dominant teams in the entire NBA, just good to semi great teams.

Hawks are very close to realizing their place in today's NBA. Get an elite wing two way defender/scorer in there. I can't remember the last one that's put on a Hawks uni in the past: 93 Nique for sure, 93 Augmon? Brown perhaps...

How do we get that elite two-way defender/scorer? We are pick strapped due to the Murray deal. I am not even sure Murray+Hunter gets you one unfortunately.

It's tough, trades and draft are the only options atp. A few things I like about Ausar Thompson. It's given he has huge bust factor, but if he's there at a reasonable price, I'd look into it. It's some smoke around Brown, not sure how that will turn out. We'll see who the Hawks bring in for workouts.

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[jayu70]

Already a thread on this OFFS. I will say for the next 1.5 years we should build and compliment your best player atp in Trae. It's the window the Hawks have been waiting for, no dominant teams in the entire NBA, just good to semi great teams.

Hawks are very close to realizing their place in today's NBA. Get an elite wing two way defender/scorer in there. I can't remember the last one that's put on a Hawks uni in the past: 93 Nique for sure, 93 Augmon? Brown perhaps...

How do we get that elite two-way defender/scorer? We are pick strapped due to the Murray deal. I am not even sure Murray+Hunter gets you one unfortunately.

It's tough, trades and draft are the only options atp. A few things I like about Ausar Thompson. It's given he has huge bust factor, but if he's there at a reasonable price, I'd look into it. It's some smoke around Brown, not sure how that will turn out. We'll see who the Hawks bring in for workouts.

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The hope when we selected Cam and Dre, at least one of them would be the wing to be the yang to Trae's Ying. So far, underwhelming.

[tbhawksfan1]

I really think that this offseason will be a mix of poll options 2, 3 and 4

I think that they will make trades to "fix" the roster but money will be saved and they will count on coach to make it all work

[CP War Hawks]

How do we get that elite two-way defender/scorer? We are pick strapped due to the Murray deal. I am not even sure Murray+Hunter gets you one unfortunately.

It's tough, trades and draft are the only options atp. A few things I like about Ausar Thompson. It's given he has huge bust factor, but if he's there at a reasonable price, I'd look into it. It's some smoke around Brown, not sure how that will turn out. We'll see who the Hawks bring in for workouts.

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The hope when we selected Cam and Dre, at least one of them would be the wing to be the yang to Trae's Ying. So far, underwhelming.

I wasn't high on Cam due to his athletic ceiling. Dude looked liked he hated to jump. Hunter is decent, but we knew his ceiling was limited. Both of their foot speed was lacking for an elite wing defender. This Ausar dude not only looks quick laterally but explosive moving side to side. It's a total swing for the fences move but what other choices do they have given limited draft opportunities in the near future.

[jayu70]

It's tough, trades and draft are the only options atp. A few things I like about Ausar Thompson. It's given he has huge bust factor, but if he's there at a reasonable price, I'd look into it. It's some smoke around Brown, not sure how that will turn out. We'll see who the Hawks bring in for workouts.

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The hope when we selected Cam and Dre, at least one of them would be the wing to be the yang to Trae's Ying. So far, underwhelming.

I wasn't high on Cam due to his athletic ceiling. Dude looked liked he hated to jump. Hunter is decent, but we knew his ceiling was limited. Both of their foot speed was lacking for an elite wing defender. This Ausar dude not only looks quick laterally but explosive moving side to side. It's a total swing for the fences move but what other choices do they have given limited draft opportunities in the near future.

Other Choices?
1. Sometimes it's about having a better approach to developing the players on the current roster...in 4 years when we owe the last of our picks to SAS in 2027 - we still have so many of our current roster still under 30, ..... just the bench guys in Bey, OO, JJ, AJ will be 27, 26, 25 and 24 years old respectively.
2. Sometimes it's about finding a diamond in the rough in the 2nd round or an undrafted guy and finding a role for them to excel in (see Miami).
3. Make real use if the GL to develop guys

Hopefully, with Quin and his new staff we see real development.

[D21]

Unfortunately we are gonna have to move salary. I don't believe Ressler will do over the tax and right now we have too many high dollar guys.

I would expect Bogi to try and be moved if they feel someone can do the same cheaper (if not Griffin)

I'll be a bit more positive on this one, I think that Ressler realized (thanks to the fantastic season of Huerter even if he was not hot in the playoffs like in the regular season) that he screwed the team by trading Huerter just for money reason.
I'm pretty sure he's OK now to pay the tax (maybe for a reasonable amount) if Quin he's sure it would improve the team.

The only thing that hurts is that it was really the season to do that, you can't trade for a guy that was All Star and immediately cut salaries, because it will be lost for the next season too. They could trade Huerter for the same kind of contract/player last summer, or this summer, but get something.

Regarding Bogi, I would absolutely not trading him, unless it is needed to include him to get a star. Bogi had the best Net rating in the playoffs, and is on a friendly contract.
IMHO, it's exactly the kind of case where you keep the player.

I know we as fans tend to focus on the top of the roster, but I'd like to see Hawks pivot and add more focus into developing UDFAs into actual rotation players.

it'd improve depth, defense and alleviate some of our salary cap issues. Miami seems to have found a nice balance.

Unfortunately, our bench players were good once Quin took the HC job, it's our starting five that was dominated, including the playoffs games.

The hope when we selected Cam and Dre, at least one of them would be the wing to be the yang to Trae's Ying. So far, underwhelming.

Yes, we knew Hunter would not be 300% the player he was after the draft, but it was expected more than what he's right now.
Cam should have been better too.

I see two things:
- a personal thing for each player, Hunter never being the same and playing at 100% since his two injuries (was not managed the right way) and Cam making stupid decision of going all offense and not playing defense, or having a stupid agent telling him to do that (I think Schlenk had problems with his agent)
- they never, but really never, had a chance to play in a system where they could be the second option during a 15-20 games stretch, which would have at least help them improving and see if they can fit this role.
This team is mainly axial, from Trae to Capela. But it's easy to see that the few times they moved and shared/moved the ball, they are playing on another level

Trae needs spacing to impact more without increasing his usage. Huerter and Gallo were bringing spacing, far more than Murray.
So they have improve spacing if they make some trades, and IMHO, it has to be done not only on the wing, but also by stopping this 48min C rotation with two Cs unable to shoot 3s

Now, the main improvement this team can do is not depending on players changes or not, but by asking Trae to stop thinking about this damn 30pts/10ast game record, and play like Nash.
I would prefer to see him breaking a 20pts/15ast record than a 30pts/10ast record because the first one would be fore sure more valuable to the team than the second one.

[tbhawksfan1]

Well here's one you probably haven't considered

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271669/Lakers-Have-Had-Internal-Discussions-On-Trading-For-Trae-Young

[tbhawksfan1]

Maybe something to feel better about is the investment in bringing in quality coaches. Like the first time ever

They cost money and coaching matters a lot

[dms269]

Well here's one you probably haven't considered

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271669/Lakers-Have-Had-Internal-Discussions-On-Trading-For-Trae-Young

How?

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[jayu70]

Well here's one you probably haven't considered

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271669/Lakers-Have-Had-Internal-Discussions-On-Trading-For-Trae-Young

Of course they did since they have a plethora of good young players and picks to offer

[Jamaaliver]

Maybe something to feel better about is the investment in bringing in quality coaches. Like the first time ever

They cost money and coaching matters a lot

Ever since the Joe Johnson debacle, I've considered top coaches, trainers and top of the line facilities a better value than *(most) expensive players.

I think improving this coaching staff will pay greater dividends than any other acquisition over the past decade.

[tbhawksfan1]

I think they gonna offer KAJ and Worthy... Magic just aint it