The Trey Lance thread

[Pattersonca65]

Short of being biased against him (which for whatever reason a sizable contingent of the fanbase sure seems to quickly develop bias against 49er QB's, which is a trend that goes back quite awhile), I don't know how anyone can't be impressed with Brock Purdy last season.

What Purdy was able to accomplish from both an individual and team standpoint would have been highly regarded for any rookie. Yet, Purdy was a 7th rounder and literally the last player picked in the draft. A lot of 7th round rookies don't even make the practice squad, let alone survive final cuts. Yet Purdy got the team to a 6-0 regular season record, and got the team to the NFCCG where he got seriously injured early in the 1st quarter. Super rare for a rookie QB, and completely unprecedented for such a late drafted rookie.

For further reference, since 2000 there have 44 QB's drafted in the 7th round only 7 of which have even made 1 career start: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, Matt Flynn, Tim Rattay, Ben Dinucci, Skylar Thompson, and Brock Purdy.

Purdy was the first 7th round rookie QB to start a playoff game since 1950. Overall, QB's drafted in the 7th round have an all time playoff record of 2-5. Brock Purdy's playoff record is 2-1. So that means in the entire history of the NFL no other 7th round QB has won a playoff game, and there has only been 4 other playoff starts not made by Brock Purdy.

As for Brock's play specifically, he showed remarkable poise. His first several games defenses relentlessly blitzed trying to rattle him, and not only did he handle the pressure but he mostly thrived facing it. He consistently got the ball out quickly and with good placement, and many other times he escaped the initial pressure to extend plays and keep the offense moving. For me, his ability to constantly make defenses pay for sending extra pressure, was the most impressive thing.

As for his supporting cast, of course the talent around him helped him. However, please tell me one QB who doesn't benefit from and play better with good talent around them.

Just because Brock might not have a super high ceiling, doesn't mean he's not incredibly impressive.

It remains to be seen whether or not he is the best option at QB moving forward, but you are kidding yourself (or again just biased against him) if you don't think he hasn't deservedly catapulted himself firmly into that equation.

The whole supporting cast comment is getting old at this point. It is an easy way to try and dismiss what Purdy did during the second part of the season. Other QBs have great supporting casts also. That is why they are top notch teams. But the QB still has to read defenses, avoid the rush. and get the ball out. And it isn't like Purdy is just out there feeding the ball to one player. He has spread the ball all over even to back up tight ends. That is good QB play.

[thesack12]

Short of being biased against him (which for whatever reason a sizable contingent of the fanbase sure seems to quickly develop bias against 49er QB's, which is a trend that goes back quite awhile), I don't know how anyone can't be impressed with Brock Purdy last season.

What Purdy was able to accomplish from both an individual and team standpoint would have been highly regarded for any rookie. Yet, Purdy was a 7th rounder and literally the last player picked in the draft. A lot of 7th round rookies don't even make the practice squad, let alone survive final cuts. Yet Purdy got the team to a 6-0 regular season record, and got the team to the NFCCG where he got seriously injured early in the 1st quarter. Super rare for a rookie QB, and completely unprecedented for such a late drafted rookie.

For further reference, since 2000 there have 44 QB's drafted in the 7th round only 7 of which have even made 1 career start: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, Matt Flynn, Tim Rattay, Ben Dinucci, Skylar Thompson, and Brock Purdy.

Purdy was the first 7th round rookie QB to start a playoff game since 1950. Overall, QB's drafted in the 7th round have an all time playoff record of 2-5. Brock Purdy's playoff record is 2-1. So that means in the entire history of the NFL no other 7th round QB has won a playoff game, and there has only been 4 other playoff starts not made by Brock Purdy.

As for Brock's play specifically, he showed remarkable poise. His first several games defenses relentlessly blitzed trying to rattle him, and not only did he handle the pressure but he mostly thrived facing it. He consistently got the ball out quickly and with good placement, and many other times he escaped the initial pressure to extend plays and keep the offense moving. For me, his ability to constantly make defenses pay for sending extra pressure, was the most impressive thing.

As for his supporting cast, of course the talent around him helped him. However, please tell me one QB who doesn't benefit from and play better with good talent around them.

Just because Brock might not have a super high ceiling, doesn't mean he's not incredibly impressive.

It remains to be seen whether or not he is the best option at QB moving forward, but you are kidding yourself (or again just biased against him) if you don't think he hasn't deservedly catapulted himself firmly into that equation.

The whole supporting cast comment is getting old at this point. It is an easy way to try and dismiss what Purdy did during the second part of the season. Other QBs have great supporting casts also. That is why they are top notch teams. But the QB still has to read defenses, avoid the rush. and get the ball out. And it isn't like Purdy is just out there feeding the ball to one player. He has spread the ball all over even to back up tight ends. That is good QB play.

Exactly, its pretty lazy analysis and completely devalues the performance of the guy that plays the most difficult/most demanding position in all of sports.

If it was that easy and we are going to devalue the worth of the QB in that equation, why don't teams just load up on weaponry and plug in whatever random QB is available at the time? If offensive success is all about the pass catchers/ball carriers, that model of team building would work and would be sustainable because you'll never be paying much for your QB.

Having a solid supporting cast and multiple playmakers is absolutely a luxury for any QB. Still if the QB doesn't have the ability to get the ball to those playmakers in a timely and accurate fashion, then it doesn't matter how much talent is on the field.

[Jikkle]

Short of being biased against him (which for whatever reason a sizable contingent of the fanbase sure seems to quickly develop bias against 49er QB's, which is a trend that goes back quite awhile), I don't know how anyone can't be impressed with Brock Purdy last season.

What Purdy was able to accomplish from both an individual and team standpoint would have been highly regarded for any rookie. Yet, Purdy was a 7th rounder and literally the last player picked in the draft. A lot of 7th round rookies don't even make the practice squad, let alone survive final cuts. Yet Purdy got the team to a 6-0 regular season record, and got the team to the NFCCG where he got seriously injured early in the 1st quarter. Super rare for a rookie QB, and completely unprecedented for such a late drafted rookie.

For further reference, since 2000 there have 44 QB's drafted in the 7th round only 7 of which have even made 1 career start: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, Matt Flynn, Tim Rattay, Ben Dinucci, Skylar Thompson, and Brock Purdy.

Purdy was the first 7th round rookie QB to start a playoff game since 1950. Overall, QB's drafted in the 7th round have an all time playoff record of 2-5. Brock Purdy's playoff record is 2-1. So that means in the entire history of the NFL no other 7th round QB has won a playoff game, and there has only been 4 other playoff starts not made by Brock Purdy.

As for Brock's play specifically, he showed remarkable poise. His first several games defenses relentlessly blitzed trying to rattle him, and not only did he handle the pressure but he mostly thrived facing it. He consistently got the ball out quickly and with good placement, and many other times he escaped the initial pressure to extend plays and keep the offense moving. For me, his ability to constantly make defenses pay for sending extra pressure, was the most impressive thing.

As for his supporting cast, of course the talent around him helped him. However, please tell me one QB who doesn't benefit from and play better with good talent around them.

Just because Brock might not have a super high ceiling, doesn't mean he's not incredibly impressive.

It remains to be seen whether or not he is the best option at QB moving forward, but you are kidding yourself (or again just biased against him) if you don't think he hasn't deservedly catapulted himself firmly into that equation.

My main issue with Purdy was just the narrative around him. I know people love a good underdog story and I love a good underdog story but people were ready to crown him Montana 2.0 which is extremely premature.

The other element I don't care for is the fanbase is ready to call Lance a bust with barely a chance and Purdy was almost above reproach when he'd make some of the same mistakes Lance would make. The whole narrative just felt weird and off to me.

And while I have 0 doubt Purdy was a clear and definitive upgrade over Jimmy G I did feel that CMC was the more impactful addition to the offense. The offense was looking better and better the more CMC was involved even with Jimmy G under center so I just think one part was Purdy being a better QB than Jimmy G and another part him jumping into the offense right when it was starting to peak.

While I'm not a fan of the supporting cast argument against Purdy I don't think it's absolutely unfair either. We've seen guys like Brady and Rodgers have success with one maybe two guys you would consider superstars so there is an element of a QB being able to lift the guys around him and not be lifted by them.

My main concern with Purdy is that he's just going to be a Kirk Cousins type that's just an overachiever that will just always come up a little short against guys that have all the intangibles he has but just are more physically gifted.

[Pattersonca65]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/trey_lance_going_to_have_to_earn_starting_qb_job/s1_12680_38772589

[CrimsonCrew]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/trey_lance_going_to_have_to_earn_starting_qb_job/s1_12680_38772589

No news there. Just speculation and conjecture. According to these same sources, Lance was as good as gone over draft weekend. But wait, what's that? He's still here? Hmmmmmm....

Trey Lance is not going to be handed anything at this point, but if Purdy isn't ready to start the season, and if it's even close between Lance and Darnold, you simply have to start Lance. We know Darnold has been a bad NFL QB more often than not. Jury is still out on Lance.

[CrimsonCrew]

Barrows says McCloughan loves the Latu pick. I respect McCloughan's eye for talent, though I remain skeptical on this one. And regardless, I think we took him much earlier than we had to.

[Bingo_AlphaMan]

Barrows says McCloughan loves the Latu pick. I respect McCloughan's eye for talent, though I remain skeptical on this one. And regardless, I think we took him much earlier than we had to.

Brandon Willis seems to be a better player. Nonetheless they’re both upgrades over what we had last year behind Kittle.

[CrimsonCrew]

Meant to post that in the draft thread.

[Pattersonca65]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/trey_lance_going_to_have_to_earn_starting_qb_job/s1_12680_38772589

No news there. Just speculation and conjecture. According to these same sources, Lance was as good as gone over draft weekend. But wait, what's that? He's still here? Hmmmmmm....

Trey Lance is not going to be handed anything at this point, but if Purdy isn't ready to start the season, and if it's even close between Lance and Darnold, you simply have to start Lance. We know Darnold has been a bad NFL QB more often than not. Jury is still out on Lance.

Some of what has been reported here has also come from other sources. As far as being good as gone over draft weekend, that is not what I've been reading. In fact, quite the opposite. The reports I've read have said the 49ers were not getting the kind of interest in Lance from around the league that would facilitate a trade and that it was likely he would stay in SF. Not surprised as SF invested alot in him and I would also be surprised that any team would give up anything close to what the 49ers did to draft him.

[CrimsonCrew]

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/trey_lance_going_to_have_to_earn_starting_qb_job/s1_12680_38772589

No news there. Just speculation and conjecture. According to these same sources, Lance was as good as gone over draft weekend. But wait, what's that? He's still here? Hmmmmmm....

Trey Lance is not going to be handed anything at this point, but if Purdy isn't ready to start the season, and if it's even close between Lance and Darnold, you simply have to start Lance. We know Darnold has been a bad NFL QB more often than not. Jury is still out on Lance.

Some of what has been reported here has also come from other sources. As far as being good as gone over draft weekend, that is not what I've been reading. In fact, quite the opposite. The reports I've read have said the 49ers were not getting the kind of interest in Lance from around the league that would facilitate a trade and that it was likely he would stay in SF. Not surprised as SF invested alot in him and I would also be surprised that any team would give up anything close to what the 49ers did to draft him.

There was a lot of stuff in the national media, among certain content creators (Larry Krueger and others), talking heads on NFL Network and ESPN, who were acting like the Niners were hot to move him. That was never likely at all. We don't know what's going to happen with Purdy. It would have cost us something like $10 million to trade Lance this year. And we wouldn't come close to recouping what we spent on him. MAYBE if a team had floated a first-round pick we would have considered it, but it was always a tremendous longshot that we would move him. And indeed we did not.

I will concede that the manner in which Shanahan used him in the first two games suggests that he didn't have as much faith in him as a passer as he did in Purdy, but you had to know that would be the case going in. If they weren't willing to give him more time, then it was a terrible, terrible pick.

[Pattersonca65]

No news there. Just speculation and conjecture. According to these same sources, Lance was as good as gone over draft weekend. But wait, what's that? He's still here? Hmmmmmm....

Trey Lance is not going to be handed anything at this point, but if Purdy isn't ready to start the season, and if it's even close between Lance and Darnold, you simply have to start Lance. We know Darnold has been a bad NFL QB more often than not. Jury is still out on Lance.

Some of what has been reported here has also come from other sources. As far as being good as gone over draft weekend, that is not what I've been reading. In fact, quite the opposite. The reports I've read have said the 49ers were not getting the kind of interest in Lance from around the league that would facilitate a trade and that it was likely he would stay in SF. Not surprised as SF invested alot in him and I would also be surprised that any team would give up anything close to what the 49ers did to draft him.

There was a lot of stuff in the national media, among certain content creators (Larry Krueger and others), talking heads on NFL Network and ESPN, who were acting like the Niners were hot to move him. That was never likely at all. We don't know what's going to happen with Purdy. It would have cost us something like $10 million to trade Lance this year. And we wouldn't come close to recouping what we spent on him. MAYBE if a team had floated a first-round pick we would have considered it, but it was always a tremendous longshot that we would move him. And indeed we did not.

I will concede that the manner in which Shanahan used him in the first two games suggests that he didn't have as much faith in him as a passer as he did in Purdy, but you had to know that would be the case going in. If they weren't willing to give him more time, then it was a terrible, terrible pick.

Wanting to move him and actually moving him are two different things. IDK about them being " hot " to move him. But certainly Lynch did not shoot it down initially when asked about it while at other times flat out shooting down any talk of trading other players on the roster. As you said, it was unlikely the team would ever receive an offer the 49ers could/would accept and sure enough reports came out about lukewarm interest, no doubt because of the asking price. What we do know is Lance was their future guy but fell after he was anointed the starter last year. Clearly there were enough reports coming out from camp about the 49ers FO disappointment in his progress. This was before Purdy was even in any conversation. And now Lance is going to have split first team reps with Darnold. If they really had faith in Lance at this point those two would not be splitting reps. Now you have Maiocco talking up Darnold.

How the coaching staff handled Lance is another issue. That was my question mark about this pick. Clearly mgmt felt Jimmy G was not their franchise guy moving forward and they were looking for someone who was in the draft. But this team had a roster and made moves to win now. Not sure what mgmt was expecting from a player who hardly played in college and the rawest of the bunch. While Lance shows some good things, he clearly looks uncomfortable and at times lost trying to execute Shanahan's complicated scheme. If the team was in rebuild mode and winning and losing was not a top priority then they could patiently bring Lance along. The question is if Lance does not become the starter are they willing to bring him along? In the modern NFL there are impediments to that. I think most likely Lance becomes the guy this year or next or he will be playing somewhere else.

[CrimsonCrew]

Wanting to move him and actually moving him are two different things. IDK about them being " hot " to move him. But certainly Lynch did not shoot it down initially when asked about it while at other times flat out shooting down any talk of trading other players on the roster. As you said, it was unlikely the team would ever receive an offer the 49ers could/would accept and sure enough reports came out about lukewarm interest, no doubt because of the asking price. What we do know is Lance was their future guy but fell after he was anointed the starter last year. Clearly there were enough reports coming out from camp about the 49ers FO disappointment in his progress. This was before Purdy was even in any conversation. And now Lance is going to have split first team reps with Darnold. If they really had faith in Lance at this point those two would not be splitting reps. Now you have Maiocco talking up Darnold.

How the coaching staff handled Lance is another issue. That was my question mark about this pick. Clearly mgmt felt Jimmy G was not their franchise guy moving forward and they were looking for someone who was in the draft. But this team had a roster and made moves to win now. Not sure what mgmt was expecting from a player who hardly played in college and the rawest of the bunch. While Lance shows some good things, he clearly looks uncomfortable and at times lost trying to execute Shanahan's complicated scheme. If the team was in rebuild mode and winning and losing was not a top priority then they could patiently bring Lance along. The question is if Lance does not become the starter are they willing to bring him along? In the modern NFL there are impediments to that. I think most likely Lance becomes the guy this year or next or he will be playing somewhere else.

The splitting reps thing just doesn't move the needle for me at all. Splitting reps in training camp doesn't mean a 50-50 deal. It could be 90-10 or 75-25. You would expect any QB on the roster to be getting some snaps with the first team, and you expect the skill players to be rotating, at the very least, so it's not even clear what the "first team" is. If it's a true 50-50 split come camp, then that's a real concern. But I'll believe that's the situation when we see it.

And again, if that's what we see, then this will likely go down as one of the worst picks in the history of the league, and it will be a miracle if no one loses their job as a result.

[Jikkle]

I think the thought process boils down to two things with the team.

The have 0 certainty at QB. Yes they feel good about Purdy but he's basically only played 8 games and coming off a major injury to his throwing arm so nobody can say for certain his arm will be 100% back to where it was or if he'll continue to play at the level he did last season. Not saying he won't be the same it's just there isn't enough history of him playing to say that with confidence.

So with that in mind I think the team knows it has a prime SB window so have 3 guys you like in Purdy, Lance, and Darnold and whoever grabs the job go with that guy.

The 2nd thing is the team under Shanahan can't keep QBs healthy. 2019 is the only year the QB has started every game and didn't have any significant dings or damage. So outside of that year they've needed at least a backup and some years a 3rd stringer. Even Purdy was barely able to play against Seattle in that Thursday night game so he's not immune to injury and we know Lance or Darnold isn't either.

So other than having 3 guys you like and letting the best one start there is a chance you might need all 3 of them to start at some point. So I think they want to make sure this year is set up like last year in that their chances of a Super Bowl aren't derailed by QBs injuries even though in the end they still were thanks to needing a 3rd QB in the NFC Championship game.

[thesack12]

Short of being biased against him (which for whatever reason a sizable contingent of the fanbase sure seems to quickly develop bias against 49er QB's, which is a trend that goes back quite awhile), I don't know how anyone can't be impressed with Brock Purdy last season.

What Purdy was able to accomplish from both an individual and team standpoint would have been highly regarded for any rookie. Yet, Purdy was a 7th rounder and literally the last player picked in the draft. A lot of 7th round rookies don't even make the practice squad, let alone survive final cuts. Yet Purdy got the team to a 6-0 regular season record, and got the team to the NFCCG where he got seriously injured early in the 1st quarter. Super rare for a rookie QB, and completely unprecedented for such a late drafted rookie.

For further reference, since 2000 there have 44 QB's drafted in the 7th round only 7 of which have even made 1 career start: Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassel, Matt Flynn, Tim Rattay, Ben Dinucci, Skylar Thompson, and Brock Purdy.

Purdy was the first 7th round rookie QB to start a playoff game since 1950. Overall, QB's drafted in the 7th round have an all time playoff record of 2-5. Brock Purdy's playoff record is 2-1. So that means in the entire history of the NFL no other 7th round QB has won a playoff game, and there has only been 4 other playoff starts not made by Brock Purdy.

As for Brock's play specifically, he showed remarkable poise. His first several games defenses relentlessly blitzed trying to rattle him, and not only did he handle the pressure but he mostly thrived facing it. He consistently got the ball out quickly and with good placement, and many other times he escaped the initial pressure to extend plays and keep the offense moving. For me, his ability to constantly make defenses pay for sending extra pressure, was the most impressive thing.

As for his supporting cast, of course the talent around him helped him. However, please tell me one QB who doesn't benefit from and play better with good talent around them.

Just because Brock might not have a super high ceiling, doesn't mean he's not incredibly impressive.

It remains to be seen whether or not he is the best option at QB moving forward, but you are kidding yourself (or again just biased against him) if you don't think he hasn't deservedly catapulted himself firmly into that equation.

My main issue with Purdy was just the narrative around him. I know people love a good underdog story and I love a good underdog story but people were ready to crown him Montana 2.0 which is extremely premature.

The other element I don't care for is the fanbase is ready to call Lance a bust with barely a chance and Purdy was almost above reproach when he'd make some of the same mistakes Lance would make. The whole narrative just felt weird and off to me.

And while I have 0 doubt Purdy was a clear and definitive upgrade over Jimmy G I did feel that CMC was the more impactful addition to the offense. The offense was looking better and better the more CMC was involved even with Jimmy G under center so I just think one part was Purdy being a better QB than Jimmy G and another part him jumping into the offense right when it was starting to peak.

While I'm not a fan of the supporting cast argument against Purdy I don't think it's absolutely unfair either. We've seen guys like Brady and Rodgers have success with one maybe two guys you would consider superstars so there is an element of a QB being able to lift the guys around him and not be lifted by them.

My main concern with Purdy is that he's just going to be a Kirk Cousins type that's just an overachiever that will just always come up a little short against guys that have all the intangibles he has but just are more physically gifted.

Agree with the underlined part 100%.

It goes back to my point that for whatever reason a large portion of 9ers nation quickly develops a bias against 49er QB's. I don't know if its because they are just sour that a guy isn't a top shelf QB or what. But it quite frequently seems like the "other guy" is always a better option than the current guy, regardless of who the other guy is. If Purdy doesn't dazzle early on when he's healthy enough to come back, I expect the narrative to be flipped quickly on him. That same slice of the fan base will be ready to run him out of town.

[thesack12]

Wanting to move him and actually moving him are two different things. IDK about them being " hot " to move him. But certainly Lynch did not shoot it down initially when asked about it while at other times flat out shooting down any talk of trading other players on the roster. As you said, it was unlikely the team would ever receive an offer the 49ers could/would accept and sure enough reports came out about lukewarm interest, no doubt because of the asking price. What we do know is Lance was their future guy but fell after he was anointed the starter last year. Clearly there were enough reports coming out from camp about the 49ers FO disappointment in his progress. This was before Purdy was even in any conversation. And now Lance is going to have split first team reps with Darnold. If they really had faith in Lance at this point those two would not be splitting reps. Now you have Maiocco talking up Darnold.

How the coaching staff handled Lance is another issue. That was my question mark about this pick. Clearly mgmt felt Jimmy G was not their franchise guy moving forward and they were looking for someone who was in the draft. But this team had a roster and made moves to win now. Not sure what mgmt was expecting from a player who hardly played in college and the rawest of the bunch. While Lance shows some good things, he clearly looks uncomfortable and at times lost trying to execute Shanahan's complicated scheme. If the team was in rebuild mode and winning and losing was not a top priority then they could patiently bring Lance along. The question is if Lance does not become the starter are they willing to bring him along? In the modern NFL there are impediments to that. I think most likely Lance becomes the guy this year or next or he will be playing somewhere else.

The splitting reps thing just doesn't move the needle for me at all. Splitting reps in training camp doesn't mean a 50-50 deal. It could be 90-10 or 75-25. You would expect any QB on the roster to be getting some snaps with the first team, and you expect the skill players to be rotating, at the very least, so it's not even clear what the "first team" is. If it's a true 50-50 split come camp, then that's a real concern. But I'll believe that's the situation when we see it.

And again, if that's what we see, then this will likely go down as one of the worst picks in the history of the league, and it will be a miracle if no one loses their job as a result.

Agreed.

In my opinion how they handled the QB situation last offseason/preseason was a mistake. With Jimmy on the shelf and widely expected to be gone before the season started, they giftwrapped the starting job to Lance without a modicum of competition. Also, rolling with the expectation that Nate Sudfeld was going to be QB2 is laughable. Trey was not pushed in camp at all last year. In fact when Jimmy got cleared, they wouldn't even allow him get on the practice field. Trey did not earn anything last year.

I'm not a Darnold fan at all, but with Purdy still very questionable, its going to be good for Trey to get pushed this summer by someone who has some actual NFL talent. Competition is good at all positions, and helps build character and resolve. Unless you have one of those A Listers, the QB position shouldn't be any different. Especially for a team with a championship caliber roster and for a QB who has played like 5 total games of football in the last 4 years. To the same point of competition is good, if Purdy is healthy for camp its also going to be good for him to have Trey and Sam pushing him as well.

All that said if Trey gets clearly outplayed and passed by Darnold in camp, it will officially be time to get worried about him. On the flip side of the coin in Lance emerges from camp as the best option, then we have reason to feel good about Trey. Especially if Purdy gets cleared and gets into the training camp mix.

Either way, I don't know why us fans have to take a side. Why can't we be in both camp Trey & camp Purdy?

[CrimsonCrew]

Wanting to move him and actually moving him are two different things. IDK about them being " hot " to move him. But certainly Lynch did not shoot it down initially when asked about it while at other times flat out shooting down any talk of trading other players on the roster. As you said, it was unlikely the team would ever receive an offer the 49ers could/would accept and sure enough reports came out about lukewarm interest, no doubt because of the asking price. What we do know is Lance was their future guy but fell after he was anointed the starter last year. Clearly there were enough reports coming out from camp about the 49ers FO disappointment in his progress. This was before Purdy was even in any conversation. And now Lance is going to have split first team reps with Darnold. If they really had faith in Lance at this point those two would not be splitting reps. Now you have Maiocco talking up Darnold.

How the coaching staff handled Lance is another issue. That was my question mark about this pick. Clearly mgmt felt Jimmy G was not their franchise guy moving forward and they were looking for someone who was in the draft. But this team had a roster and made moves to win now. Not sure what mgmt was expecting from a player who hardly played in college and the rawest of the bunch. While Lance shows some good things, he clearly looks uncomfortable and at times lost trying to execute Shanahan's complicated scheme. If the team was in rebuild mode and winning and losing was not a top priority then they could patiently bring Lance along. The question is if Lance does not become the starter are they willing to bring him along? In the modern NFL there are impediments to that. I think most likely Lance becomes the guy this year or next or he will be playing somewhere else.

The splitting reps thing just doesn't move the needle for me at all. Splitting reps in training camp doesn't mean a 50-50 deal. It could be 90-10 or 75-25. You would expect any QB on the roster to be getting some snaps with the first team, and you expect the skill players to be rotating, at the very least, so it's not even clear what the "first team" is. If it's a true 50-50 split come camp, then that's a real concern. But I'll believe that's the situation when we see it.

And again, if that's what we see, then this will likely go down as one of the worst picks in the history of the league, and it will be a miracle if no one loses their job as a result.

Agreed.

In my opinion how they handled the QB situation last offseason/preseason was a mistake. With Jimmy on the shelf and widely expected to be gone before the season started, they giftwrapped the starting job to Lance without a modicum of competition. Also, rolling with the expectation that Nate Sudfeld was going to be QB2 is laughable. Trey was not pushed in camp at all last year. In fact when Jimmy got cleared, they wouldn't even allow him get on the practice field. Trey did not earn anything last year.

I'm not a Darnold fan at all, but with Purdy still very questionable, its going to be good for Trey to get pushed this summer by someone who has some actual NFL talent. Competition is good at all positions, and helps build character and resolve. Unless you have one of those A Listers, the QB position shouldn't be any different. Especially for a team with a championship caliber roster and for a QB who has played like 5 total games of football in the last 4 years. To the same point of competition is good, if Purdy is healthy for camp its also going to be good for him to have Trey and Sam pushing him as well.

All that said if Trey gets clearly outplayed and passed by Darnold in camp, it will officially be time to get worried about him. On the flip side of the coin in Lance emerges from camp as the best option, then we have reason to feel good about Trey. Especially if Purdy gets cleared and gets into the training camp mix.

Either way, I don't know why us fans have to take a side. Why can't we be in both camp Trey & camp Purdy?

Re: Jimmy, I think they made the right call at the time. Jimmy was slated to make $27 million prior to the restructure of his contract at the very end of August. You simply can't take a chance on a fluke injury costing the team that amount of cap space. Arguably they should have restructured him sooner, but you need two to tango in that scenario, and who knows what Jimmy's side was doing? I agree that giving Sudfeld that guaranteed money was just dumb and a real head-scratcher.

[CrimsonCrew]

First video emerging of Trey throwing at OTAs. Mechanics look better, but he's still inconsistent about bending his front knee. Cohn has harped on this a lot, and it's hard to argue with him. Lance has a tendency to lock that front knee, which causes the ball to sail (you can see that on one of these passes, at least), and also puts more strain on his arm, leading to the fatigue.

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[Pattersonca65]

First video emerging of Trey throwing at OTAs. Mechanics look better, but he's still inconsistent about bending his front knee. Cohn has harped on this a lot, and it's hard to argue with him. Lance has a tendency to lock that front knee, which causes the ball to sail (you can see that on one of these passes, at least), and also puts more strain on his arm, leading to the fatigue.

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So much has been made about Lance's mechanics in the media this past week. It looked like he has improved his throwing motion but that isn't my biggest concern with Lance. It was whether he can make the leap from a lower division college to the NFL level. He appears to have the work ethic and will to succeed but the question is whether he can process at this level to be the franchise QB the 49ers drafted. PFF did this offseason analysis of Lance

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-nfl-draft-trade-rumors-what-does-qb-trey-lance-bring-to-the-table

[CrimsonCrew]

First video emerging of Trey throwing at OTAs. Mechanics look better, but he's still inconsistent about bending his front knee. Cohn has harped on this a lot, and it's hard to argue with him. Lance has a tendency to lock that front knee, which causes the ball to sail (you can see that on one of these passes, at least), and also puts more strain on his arm, leading to the fatigue.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

So much has been made about Lance's mechanics in the media this past week. It looked like he has improved his throwing motion but that isn't my biggest concern with Lance. It was whether he can make the leap from a lower division college to the NFL level. He appears to have the work ethic and will to succeed but the question is whether he can process at this level to be the franchise QB the 49ers drafted. PFF did this offseason analysis of Lance

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-nfl-draft-trade-rumors-what-does-qb-trey-lance-bring-to-the-table

I don't know that I have a bigger concern for Lance than his accuracy. Sure, to become a truly elite QB, he will need to demonstrate much-improved processing. And that may be the #1 thing in Shanahan's book. But Lance is and always has been an inaccurate thrower of the football. If he can't clean up his mechanics, the rest of it may not matter.

[Samurai]

With all the talk about Lance's improved mechanics after working with Christensen and Mahomes, I am curious to see how it translates to actual game play. Having a tighter spiral is cool but I want to see if the improved mechanics also improves his accuracy and touch. Although it is encouraging that he doesn't seem to experience the arm fatigue after practicing that used to be an issue for him. And mechanics don't necessarily help being able to see the field better, faster processing of what he sees, and improving the timing of his throws.