Before he left for the Fish job (which he was wrongly dismissed from), yes he was a bench coach in NY.
Since, his firing in Florida, he's been with the YES Network as a commentator with the organization. He's still in house, just not as close to Torre's bedroom as Mattingly has been.
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how longs he been around???
something like 10 years?? and a good farm syatem is STILL a few years away??? hahaha
took Theo 2-3 years to get his players up here. 5 to draft and develop a no-hitter
i understand hes got the boss lookin over his shoulder, but thats just ridiculous
when u have the Boss breathing down ur neck, you cant do things the way you want to...a few years ago, Cash finally got FULL control....and he is on fire with the farm system.....so im willing to stick with him
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gunnabdaschwab09 wrote:Now, if only the Yanks front office would be smart enough to hire Joe Girardi.....
Nothing would make me happier except that abuse of arms is the thing that makes me sickest in baseball, in which case I hate Girardi with a passion. Look at how he destroyed the Marlins young arms by running them into the ground. If you want Hughes and Joba to spend considerable time on the DL in the near future because of shoulder/elbow issues, go ahead with Girardi but as a Red Sox fan who loves both of those guys, I PRAY that Girardi is not hired. mahalo
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Chach wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Nothing would make me happier except that abuse of arms is the thing that makes me sickest in baseball, in which case I hate Girardi with a passion. Look at how he destroyed the Marlins young arms by running them into the ground. If you want Hughes and Joba to spend considerable time on the DL in the near future because of shoulder/elbow issues, go ahead with Girardi but as a Red Sox fan who loves both of those guys, I PRAY that Girardi is not hired. mahalo
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Word. Girardi is a Dusty disciple in that regard. Look at Dontrelle now.
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Girardi was there for one season. Almost all those pitchers were abused or crappy before he got there.
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I'm not seeing these pitchers he mashed into the ground.
Dontrelle threw fewer innings under Girardi than he did the year before. And who else did they even have pitching in 2006? Scott Olsen? He sucks at pitching and he averaged 93 pitchers per game in 2005. He was 93rd in average Pitcher Abuse Points per start. Anibal Sanchez? Also sucky, and he was 108th in average PAP. Ricky Nolasco, another garbage pitcher was 122nd. Josh Johnson is the only good pitcher from that staff and he was 60th in average PAP.
Stop spreading lies, Chach. Start spreading love.
As for a Torre, why not just pocket the 7 mil you pay him and hire Mattingly for a pittance? Then spend that 7 mil on a player and the ensuing luxury tax? It's just a manager. Anybody could manage the in-game stuff; you just need someone who will keep **** in order and handle the dumbass media well. I assume the players love Mattingly and the New York media must like him as well. Unless Scott Brosius is around somewhere, I don't know why they wouldn't give Mattingly the job.
Dontrelle threw fewer innings under Girardi than he did the year before. And who else did they even have pitching in 2006? Scott Olsen? He sucks at pitching and he averaged 93 pitchers per game in 2005. He was 93rd in average Pitcher Abuse Points per start. Anibal Sanchez? Also sucky, and he was 108th in average PAP. Ricky Nolasco, another garbage pitcher was 122nd. Josh Johnson is the only good pitcher from that staff and he was 60th in average PAP.
Stop spreading lies, Chach. Start spreading love.
As for a Torre, why not just pocket the 7 mil you pay him and hire Mattingly for a pittance? Then spend that 7 mil on a player and the ensuing luxury tax? It's just a manager. Anybody could manage the in-game stuff; you just need someone who will keep **** in order and handle the dumbass media well. I assume the players love Mattingly and the New York media must like him as well. Unless Scott Brosius is around somewhere, I don't know why they wouldn't give Mattingly the job.
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Bleeding Green wrote:Dontrelle threw fewer innings under Girardi than he did the year before.
...and he threw more pitches. Which is a much more telling stat for wear on an arm than IP's. From June 2nd to July 7th, every game he threw had at least 115 pitches thrown. All season, he threw 4 games of less than 100 pitches.
It's not up to vintage Dusty levels; Mark Prior threw 5 games of over 124 pitches in September of 2003 after he'd already thrown a lot of innings that season and was 23 years old. From August 27th on, in 6 games, Kerry Wood threw one 114 pitch game and 5 120+ pitch outings. And it's true that a lot of the damage to Dontrelle was already done by McKeon. But Girardi certainly didn't help matters and he wouldn't be my first choice to handle a young staff like the Yankees hope to put out.
treyZz wrote:I too would like to know how you run a pitching staff into the ground in just one season.
2003 destroyed Mark Prior's career before it even started and seriously damaged Kerry Wood. I don't think this is arguable.
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Wood is a null point, in my opinion because his mechanics sucked and he was a walking time bomb. Dusty simply sped up his downfall. Prior had perfect mechanics and should sue Dusty for lost earning potential.
Sanchez was not abused before coming to Florida. The Sox treated him with kid gloves for the most part because of the nerve surgery early in his career. He threw 136 innings combined with the Red Sox system to 203! with the Marlins farm system and big league club. How was the Sox use abusing? He averaged 5.5 innings per start with the Sox, and 6.2 with the Marlins (I'm using actual decimal so that's .2 not .66). Girardi and the Marlins let a 22 year old who already had an elbow surgery once in the past increase his workload by 67 innings. **** that's not Girardi's fault.
Scott Olsen went from 100 innings pitched to 187. Same point. If you have any intelligence, you CANNOT let a 22 year old increase his workload like that. They may not be leaders in abuse points but guys like Schilling and Santana and Beckett, guys at the top of the leaderboard, have already passed through the injury nexus and do not stand to have the same injury risks. It's one thing to let a kid increase his workload by 40 innings instead of 30 but 60? 80?! Don't tell me Joe doesn't shoulder some of the blame for their injuries. You can claim they "suck" but they were highly regarded prospects who were already in the majors at 22. Hell, Sanchez was a major cog in the Beckett deal and he threw a no-hitter as a rookie. Now both lose a year of development time and become bigger health scares because of Girardi.
Which wouldn't worry me as much except the Yankees have a ton of young pitchers around the corner. Kennedy should be good in terms of innings but Hughes' best inning output was last year at 150ish so if the Yanks make the playoffs, he's looking at 210 innings. Joba hasn't pitched more than 100 innings and there were concerns about his shoulder coming out of the draft. It's not an issue now but if he increases his workload by 100 innings, it might becoming an issue again. Alan Horne may play a role in the rotation and he's already had TJ surgery before. Humberto Sanchez should play a role with the team, maybe out of the pen, and he is just covering from TJ surgery so who knows how well he's going to respond to being pushed. The Yankees are not in a position to really push having someone who abuses young arms to take control. mahalo
~Chach~
Sanchez was not abused before coming to Florida. The Sox treated him with kid gloves for the most part because of the nerve surgery early in his career. He threw 136 innings combined with the Red Sox system to 203! with the Marlins farm system and big league club. How was the Sox use abusing? He averaged 5.5 innings per start with the Sox, and 6.2 with the Marlins (I'm using actual decimal so that's .2 not .66). Girardi and the Marlins let a 22 year old who already had an elbow surgery once in the past increase his workload by 67 innings. **** that's not Girardi's fault.
Scott Olsen went from 100 innings pitched to 187. Same point. If you have any intelligence, you CANNOT let a 22 year old increase his workload like that. They may not be leaders in abuse points but guys like Schilling and Santana and Beckett, guys at the top of the leaderboard, have already passed through the injury nexus and do not stand to have the same injury risks. It's one thing to let a kid increase his workload by 40 innings instead of 30 but 60? 80?! Don't tell me Joe doesn't shoulder some of the blame for their injuries. You can claim they "suck" but they were highly regarded prospects who were already in the majors at 22. Hell, Sanchez was a major cog in the Beckett deal and he threw a no-hitter as a rookie. Now both lose a year of development time and become bigger health scares because of Girardi.
Which wouldn't worry me as much except the Yankees have a ton of young pitchers around the corner. Kennedy should be good in terms of innings but Hughes' best inning output was last year at 150ish so if the Yanks make the playoffs, he's looking at 210 innings. Joba hasn't pitched more than 100 innings and there were concerns about his shoulder coming out of the draft. It's not an issue now but if he increases his workload by 100 innings, it might becoming an issue again. Alan Horne may play a role in the rotation and he's already had TJ surgery before. Humberto Sanchez should play a role with the team, maybe out of the pen, and he is just covering from TJ surgery so who knows how well he's going to respond to being pushed. The Yankees are not in a position to really push having someone who abuses young arms to take control. mahalo
~Chach~
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