2023 Draft Discussion Part 5

[HumbleRen]

Bilal looks closer to 210 than 230.

He's also only 18. Here was OG in high school:

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Go to 0:34 of that video. OG STILL dribbles the ball in transition in the exact same way as he did when he was in High School.

This vid is depressing lol.

OG never had a chance to be a star, his body just wont simply allow him to be coordinated.

[Mark_83]

Here's OG as a Freshman at Indiana. He was 215lbs, with an NBA ready build, and people were hoping he would enter the draft that year.

[Mark_83]

He's also only 18. Here was OG in high school:

Watch on YouTube

Go to 0:34 of that video. OG STILL dribbles the ball in transition in the exact same way as he did when he was in High School.

This vid is depressing lol.

OG never had a chance to be a star, his body just wont simply allow him to be coordinated.

I wondered if him putting on as much muscle and weight over such a short amount of time might have affected his fluidity and body control, but if you watch his HS footage, he always was a little stiff in his movements. Bilal in contrast seems to be really fluid and nimble, despite having grown 7 inches in the last year and a half.

[HumbleRen]

Go to 0:34 of that video. OG STILL dribbles the ball in transition in the exact same way as he did when he was in High School.

This vid is depressing lol.

OG never had a chance to be a star, his body just wont simply allow him to be coordinated.

I wondered if him putting on as much muscle and weight over such a short amount of time might have affected his fluidity and body control, but if you watch his HS footage, he always was a little stiff in his movements. Bilal in contrast seems to be really fluid and nimble, despite having grown 7 inches in the last year and a half.

I think it's just genetics. That level of fluidity and coordination can't be taught.

He literally falls on the court if he shifts directions too fast lol.

I don't think Bilal is near the prospect that OG was though.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

He's also only 18. Here was OG in high school:

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What is your point? We are discussing how quickly Bilal's body will be ready for the NBA. Bilal is 19 in 2 months but of course round it down when he's 5/6ths of the way to 19 years old. He will not possess the mass that OG did at 20.

OG officially weighed in at 232.5 lbs at the combine and 243 lbs during the summer of 2016. Bilal isn't getting 20 mins a game in the NBA this coming season.

Why are you so needlessly passive aggressive all the time? You don't need to be a cryptologist to see what I'm trying to say.

The body of a young person from 18-22 can experience major transformations in a hurry. OG went from that scrawny kid in his Senior year of high school, to being 215lbs and looking like he was carved out of stone the end of his Freshman year. Bilal could easily be as thick as a Freshman OG was by the end of his first year, when he already had an NBA body.

I also don't know where you're getting these supposed year-to-year anthropometric stats from when even the NBA website has OG at 232 right now.

Because you are jumping into a conversation/topic posting something that has nothing to do with the argument. Nobody is arguing Bilal doesn't have the frame to add that mass over time.

BTW there's a block feature on this website Mark, feel free to use it instead of complaining about me being defensive when I have 50,000 MLSE trolls attacking me in separate threads.

[HumbleRen]

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[Mark_83]

What is your point? We are discussing how quickly Bilal's body will be ready for the NBA. Bilal is 19 in 2 months but of course round it down when he's 5/6ths of the way to 19 years old. He will not possess the mass that OG did at 20.

OG officially weighed in at 232.5 lbs at the combine and 243 lbs during the summer of 2016. Bilal isn't getting 20 mins a game in the NBA this coming season.

Why are you so needlessly passive aggressive all the time? You don't need to be a cryptologist to see what I'm trying to say.

The body of a young person from 18-22 can experience major transformations in a hurry. OG went from that scrawny kid in his Senior year of high school, to being 215lbs and looking like he was carved out of stone the end of his Freshman year. Bilal could easily be as thick as a Freshman OG was by the end of his first year, when he already had an NBA body.

I also don't know where you're getting these supposed year-to-year anthropometric stats from when even the NBA website has OG at 232 right now.

Because you are jumping into a conversation/topic posting something that has nothing to do with the argument. Nobody is arguing Bilal doesn't have the frame to add that mass over time.

BTW there's a block feature on this website Mark, feel free to use it instead of complaining about me being defensive when I have 50,000 MLSE trolls attacking me in separate threads.

Good idea.

[ItsDanger]

OG's frame is for power, not finesse. Instead of fighting the obvious leverage your advantage. OG can bull his way through people while others must use handles to get around defenders.

[DG88]

Nothing to see here guys, two NBA ready bodies showing themselves off.

Bilal looks closer to 210 than 230.

If Bilal is gonna want to body up defensively and finish hard through contact going to the rim which is clearly a part of his game when he gets run off the 3 point line, he will need to fill out that frame some more which is why he would be best served IMO staying out of the NBA another year or two and becoming acclimated to his frame once it fills out because it will allow him to do more on the court.

He has already worked on adding muscle mass you can see it which is why he is no longer like 190 lbs but probably closer to like 205. His frame can absolutely hold like 220-230 lbs.

Dude he's 18 years old. There have only been a few players as rookie who come into the league at their playing weight at that age. He has a good frame to fill out. It's not like his a toothpick like Chet Holmgren.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Bilal looks closer to 210 than 230.

If Bilal is gonna want to body up defensively and finish hard through contact going to the rim which is clearly a part of his game when he gets run off the 3 point line, he will need to fill out that frame some more which is why he would be best served IMO staying out of the NBA another year or two and becoming acclimated to his frame once it fills out because it will allow him to do more on the court.

He has already worked on adding muscle mass you can see it which is why he is no longer like 190 lbs but probably closer to like 205. His frame can absolutely hold like 220-230 lbs.

Dude he's 18 years old. There have only been a few players as rookie who come into the league at their playing weight at that age. He has a good frame to fill out. It's not like his a toothpick like Chet Holmgren.

Thank you for agreeing with the point I was trying to make to BPMGatekeeper. Please go backwards in the thread to understand the context of my post.

Best regards and much love.

[Reeko]

So apparently Cason Wallace had a back injury that is fairly rare among young players. Might cause him to fall.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

So apparently Cason Wallace had a back injury that is fairly rare among young players. Might cause him to fall.

Yeah you can tell it hindered him during the season. He's gonna need to clear medically.

[HumbleRen]

So apparently Cason Wallace had a back injury that is fairly rare among young players. Might cause him to fall.

stay away from any player with back injuries

[DG88]

If Bilal is gonna want to body up defensively and finish hard through contact going to the rim which is clearly a part of his game when he gets run off the 3 point line, he will need to fill out that frame some more which is why he would be best served IMO staying out of the NBA another year or two and becoming acclimated to his frame once it fills out because it will allow him to do more on the court.

He has already worked on adding muscle mass you can see it which is why he is no longer like 190 lbs but probably closer to like 205. His frame can absolutely hold like 220-230 lbs.

Dude he's 18 years old. There have only been a few players as rookie who come into the league at their playing weight at that age. He has a good frame to fill out. It's not like his a toothpick like Chet Holmgren.

Thank you for agreeing with the point I was trying to make to BPMGatekeeper. Please go backwards in the thread to understand the context of my post.

Best regards and much love.

What point were you trying to make? ATLtimekeeper said that what he's seen from draft sites says that Bilal weights 230 lbs.

On another note stop calling him BPMGatekeeper. It's fine to disagree with his theory but don't bait by name calling.

[Prestige]

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The more I watch this kid the more I’m intrigued. He definitely has that perimeter game the Raptors have been missing for the past few years. I think he could be a perennial All-Star.

[Mark_83]

So apparently Cason Wallace had a back injury that is fairly rare among young players. Might cause him to fall.

I brought it up last week. That's pretty scary if you're a drafting team. Chronic back issues basically ended McGrady's career, and he didn't experience that until years later.

[Clutch0z24]

Bilal seems to be the favorite among the board so far....Which baffles me a bit because i watched alot of tape on him and his ceiling is literally OG ....We would be drafting him to hope he becomes maybe OG....When we have OG on the team already lol...

We do not need a player that we hope becomes OG cause we have this type of player already and we are struggling to make the playoffs year after year....We need guard depth and an elite guard....Its so obvious...

We had FVV/GTJR playing basically all the mins at both guard spots with no real backups who are NBA ready players.....We have 0 guards on the team with any upside if GTJR & FVV are out the door this offseason.

I think it would be a really big miskate if we do not go after one of these guards with potential....We legit need a guard with potential on this team...George or Bufkin ...One of them should be the pick at 13 for us.

[MoneyBall]

I know he's projected to go a spot or two ahead of 13 but I like Jordan Hawkins. He moves off the ball incredibly well. Reminds me of Rip Hamilton. Comes from a winning program at UCONN. Probably doesn't have Star potential but I'd say he's projected to be a solid NBA starter in his prime.

[WuTang_CMB]

I know he's projected to go a spot or two ahead of 13 but I like Jordan Hawkins. He moves off the ball incredibly well. Reminds me of Rip Hamilton. Comes from a winning program at UCONN. Probably doesn't have Star potential but I'd say he's projected to be a solid NBA starter in his prime.

He likely will be there at 13. Hawkins will be a good one as long as he gets into the right system. The shooting is elite and he can run around like Korver. Sneaky athletic as well.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Dude he's 18 years old. There have only been a few players as rookie who come into the league at their playing weight at that age. He has a good frame to fill out. It's not like his a toothpick like Chet Holmgren.

Thank you for agreeing with the point I was trying to make to BPMGatekeeper. Please go backwards in the thread to understand the context of my post.

Best regards and much love.

What point were you trying to make? ATLtimekeeper said that what he's seen from draft sites says that Bilal weights 230 lbs.

On another note stop calling him BPMGatekeeper. It's fine to disagree with his theory but don't bait by name calling.

I have the guy permablocked. He's the one who baits, it's unfortunate you can't see that. Thanks for the suggestion though. Bilal being 230 lbs is straight trolling.