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E. CONF. FINALS – Gm 4: Celtics (0) @ Heat (3) – 8:30PM, Tues, May 23, 2023

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What level of changes do you want to see on the Celtics, this Off-season?

Fire Joe Mazzulla
55
23%
Hire Competent Assistant Coaches
32
13%
Fire Brad Stevens
13
5%
Give Extension: To Brown
23
10%
Give Extension: To Tatum, when poss.
29
12%
Give Extension: To Grant Williams
9
4%
Trade Brown and/or some of the Other Top 7.
37
15%
Re-sign Bench Players
8
3%
Bring in 3 x New Two-Ways
7
3%
Trade Pritchard and/or get some new Bench Players
29
12%
 
Total votes: 242

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Re: E. CONF. FINALS – Gm 4: Celtics (0) @ Heat (3) – 8:30PM, Tues, May 23, 2023 

Post#61 » by shackles10 » Tue May 23, 2023 2:45 am

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Would you rather us storm back and force a game 7 and lose and keep Joe or get blown out in game 4 and fire him?


Lose a close one and let him go type of not embarrassing us further. Or better yet storm back and win a game 7 and Joe rides off into the sunset with a Finals ring. For the record the biggest part of not embarrassing us would be Joe not returning as I’m not sure how you come back from this.


I’d rather for us to lose, than storm back and lose convincingly against the nuggets and retain Joe.


I’m just living in fantasy land. Last night was a big enough dose of reality.
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Post#62 » by Memokerobi » Tue May 23, 2023 2:52 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:I still want to see some fight from them. Foolish wish at this point but whatever.

But like I said, this isn’t an effort issue. They are actually lost as a team. Ran into their polar opposites and just don’t know how to respond. That’s why it appears they’ve quit.


I agree with this. They are playing a team that has planned to exploit all their weaknesses and they're doing a great job of executing their gameplan. Our guys are getting no help from the coaching staff to fight back against it and I'm not sure if there is even a way to do so in such a short period after investing the whole year in a 3pt centric offense
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Post#63 » by NYCelticsfan136 » Tue May 23, 2023 2:53 am

Spoke too soon with the Lakers. They have really showned their age. I think they’re different compare to us. There’s no excuses for us to get swept.
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Post#64 » by Triple7 » Tue May 23, 2023 2:54 am

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Lose a close one and let him go type of not embarrassing us further. Or better yet storm back and win a game 7 and Joe rides off into the sunset with a Finals ring. For the record the biggest part of not embarrassing us would be Joe not returning as I’m not sure how you come back from this.


I’d rather for us to lose, than storm back and lose convincingly against the nuggets and retain Joe.


I’m just living in fantasy land. Last night was a big enough dose of reality.


I get it. Wishful thinking lol. This team is in shambles. No character and identity. The heat are just the well organized team. Disciplined and focused on their goals. Our team plays like entitled softies. Like everything will be given to them in a silver platter. They complain like the refs were out to get them. At least last year our defense was great. Now, it’s basically a layup fest, and wide open mid ranges.
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Post#65 » by Triple7 » Tue May 23, 2023 2:58 am

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zoyathedestroya wrote:I still want to see some fight from them. Foolish wish at this point but whatever.

But like I said, this isn’t an effort issue. They are actually lost as a team. Ran into their polar opposites and just don’t know how to respond. That’s why it appears they’ve quit.


I agree with this. They are playing a team that has planned to exploit all their weaknesses and they're doing a great job of executing their gameplan. Our guys are getting no help from the coaching staff to fight back against it and I'm not sure if there is even a way to do so in such a short period after investing the whole year in a 3pt centric offense


That’s because our coach lets the players do what ever they want out there. No accountability. However awful some players do, our coach still sticks with them no matter what. Spo will play whoever will help them win. No ego’s to baby sit and protect.
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Post#66 » by NYCelticsfan136 » Tue May 23, 2023 3:15 am

These nba conference finals have been a major dud! Just awful! Lakers just got swept.
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Post#67 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue May 23, 2023 3:15 am

Triple7 wrote:
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zoyathedestroya wrote:I still want to see some fight from them. Foolish wish at this point but whatever.

But like I said, this isn’t an effort issue. They are actually lost as a team. Ran into their polar opposites and just don’t know how to respond. That’s why it appears they’ve quit.


I agree with this. They are playing a team that has planned to exploit all their weaknesses and they're doing a great job of executing their gameplan. Our guys are getting no help from the coaching staff to fight back against it and I'm not sure if there is even a way to do so in such a short period after investing the whole year in a 3pt centric offense


That’s because our coach lets the players do what ever they want out there. No accountability. However awful some players do, our coach still sticks with them no matter what. Spo will play whoever will help them win. No ego’s to baby sit and protect.

This isn’t about that. Spo has shut down our main weapons on offense. And Joe really has no counter. Think of it as Joe having maybe five things he can go to on offense, Spo has all covered, and our coaching staff has no more answers. So it wouldn’t surprise me if the players are taking it upon themselves to make plays on their own. Smart suddenly calling for postups, Jays chucking early clock threes or driving into traffic. The Heat defense has the entire team flummoxed.

To me, this isn’t about “lack of heart” though I don’t fault anyone who saw it as our guys quitting. It’s “lack of a brain.” They’re just out of answers.

EDIT: It doesn’t help that the Heat are hitting everything they throw up. So many demoralizing shots.
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Post#68 » by NYCelticsfan136 » Tue May 23, 2023 3:15 am

Just disgraceful. I am curious to see the ratings of these conference finals.
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Post#69 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue May 23, 2023 3:16 am

One of the last three teams standing!! Go Celtics!
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Post#70 » by NYCelticsfan136 » Tue May 23, 2023 3:19 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:One of the last three teams standing!! Go Celtics!


Lol I like your confidence although let’s get real this team is going golfing tomorrow. That game 3 should have told us that. No heart.
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Post#71 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue May 23, 2023 3:23 am

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zoyathedestroya wrote:One of the last three teams standing!! Go Celtics!


Lol I like your confidence although let’s get real this team is going golfing tomorrow. That game 3 should have told us that. No heart.

My sarcasm doesn’t translate.

But what I posted is just plain fact lol.
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Post#72 » by philing00 » Tue May 23, 2023 3:24 am

We played teams with no perimeter D or force turnovers in the Hawks and 76ers. If we played the Heat the 1st round, we would’ve suffered the same fate as the Bucks.
I wouldn’t mind trying a lineup of Rob, Tatum. Jayden, Hauser, White.
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Post#73 » by Bar Fight » Tue May 23, 2023 3:34 am

Surely the NBA has to rig this **** to extend the series? Do they really want to go two weeks without NBA basketball?
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Post#74 » by Shamrock23 » Tue May 23, 2023 3:36 am

NYCelticsfan136 wrote:Spoke too soon with the Lakers. They have really showned their age. I think they’re different compare to us. There’s no excuses for us to get swept.


They're old, but played their heart out 'till the last minute. What the Celtics did was disgusting!
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Post#75 » by TheMartian » Tue May 23, 2023 3:56 am

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I will probably be skipping this one as I'll be at work anyway. Still sending my moral support to the team, no matter how disappointing they are.

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Post#76 » by TheMartian » Tue May 23, 2023 4:06 am

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shackles10 wrote:My daughter has 6th grade awards tomorrow night and my son has a baseball game right after. Normally I’d be cringing having such a busy night during an ECF series, but this Tuesday May 23rd, 2023 the game is just a formality. Just don’t embarrass us further… that’s all I ask


Also: I’ve rather enjoyed Grant this series. He and Marcus seem to be the only ones with cajones big enough to care. I’m back on the bus of “if he can get a fair deal without an overpay” I’d like him back next year as part of the top 8.


Would you rather us storm back and force a game 7 and lose and keep Joe or get blown out in game 4 and fire him?


Do we really have any confidence in this Ownership group to make any changes?

They moved Stevens up to GM to appease the players and save money on his contract and sign rookie head coach after rookie head coach.

They got their ring and now all they care about is a constant stream of playoff ticket revenue. Then when Tatum demands out they can always just sell for a massive profit if they don't want to say they own a rebuilding franchise.

It's just as likely they call this year as a success and keep Stevens and Joe and there are no trades and nothing changes going into next year if we lose tomorrow or if we lose in Game 5.


I find it hard to believe Brad didn't have the blessing of Wyc and Co. when he made those moves. Brad is not entirely to blame here. This starts all the way from the top.
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Post#77 » by Triple7 » Tue May 23, 2023 4:21 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Triple7 wrote:
Memokerobi wrote:
I agree with this. They are playing a team that has planned to exploit all their weaknesses and they're doing a great job of executing their gameplan. Our guys are getting no help from the coaching staff to fight back against it and I'm not sure if there is even a way to do so in such a short period after investing the whole year in a 3pt centric offense


That’s because our coach lets the players do what ever they want out there. No accountability. However awful some players do, our coach still sticks with them no matter what. Spo will play whoever will help them win. No ego’s to baby sit and protect.

This isn’t about that. Spo has shut down our main weapons on offense. And Joe really has no counter. Think of it as Joe having maybe five things he can go to on offense, Spo has all covered, and our coaching staff has no more answers. So it wouldn’t surprise me if the players are taking it upon themselves to make plays on their own. Smart suddenly calling for postups, Jays chucking early clock threes or driving into traffic. The Heat defense has the entire team flummoxed.

To me, this isn’t about “lack of heart” though I don’t fault anyone who saw it as our guys quitting. It’s “lack of a brain.” They’re just out of answers.

EDIT: It doesn’t help that the Heat are hitting everything they throw up. So many demoralizing shots.


Well, it just shows they haven’t got a game plan against the heat. This is the exact heat team from last year, and we got home court this year. The big diff is the coach.
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Post#78 » by TGW » Tue May 23, 2023 4:24 am

NYCelticsfan136 wrote:These nba conference finals have been a major dud! Just awful! Lakers just got swept.


No this is awesome. Great year for NBA basketball. Two worthy teams in the finals.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
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Post#79 » by Bohemian » Tue May 23, 2023 4:26 am

The only consolation prize is the Lakers not making the Finals. Other than that, having our team demolished by the Heat is another big lost chance to get banner 18.
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Post#80 » by ThePigeon » Tue May 23, 2023 4:45 am

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ThePigeon wrote:Celtics in 7

Read this:
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/celtics-wont-start-winning-until-they-kick-infuriating-habit

This should be the first thing we should do in the summer
Tomase: "Whiners aren't Winners."

Plagued us for 4-5 seasons now
I would start by letting Grant loud mouth go
Then smack anyone that talk to a ref and not hustle back on defense

Obviously let Brad and Joe go

All this after we lose to Denver in the finals in game 7


Not agreeing or disagreeing but just to play devil's advocate, Is it even possible to show that kind of tough coaching with these coddled players of this generation?


I sure hope so
Get a Rondo-Garnet tandem as coaches and I think it will work just fine

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