BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[fatlever]

I view drafting Miller as moving on from one or both of PJ/Miles much the same way I view Scoot as moving on from Terry.

i would definitely resign both miles/pj regardless. we need to retain assets more than we need to worry about cap/spending. trade one of miles/pj later if needed.
miller can play 2/3, miles 3/4, pj 4/5 they all 3 can play good chunk of mins together. cliff does need to be less rigid in his rainman lineups, but cliff will be gone next summer most likely.

[KingCat]

We rightfully talk alot about PJ and Miles clogging up the wings as they are likely apart ofbour longer term core, but what's the word on Gordon? Isn't he a expiring?

What are the odds we can ship both him and Terry out, or will it likely be one or the other?

[SWedd523]

I view drafting Miller as moving on from one or both of PJ/Miles much the same way I view Scoot as moving on from Terry.

i would definitely resign both miles/pj regardless. we need to retain assets more than we need to worry about cap/spending. trade one of miles/pj later if needed.
miller can play 2/3, miles 3/4, pj 4/5 they all 3 can play good chunk of mins together. cliff does need to be less rigid in his rainman lineups, but cliff will be gone next summer most likely.

You know my feelings on PJ so I don't need to belabor that point any more than to say I don't see a long term future for all three on the roster. While it could work for a year or so to get Miller adjusted to the NBA life, there's no future where all three get the minutes they'd need to be worth their (Miles and PJ) contracts.

Unless you think Miller can play the two long term, which would be interesting in theory, I'm dubious

[JMAC3]

We rightfully talk alot about PJ and Miles clogging up the wings as they are likely apart ofbour longer term core, but what's the word on Gordon? Isn't he a expiring?

What are the odds we can ship both him and Terry out, or will it likely be one or the other?

Gordon isn't resigning. I am viewing him as a great Vet off the bench this year who can give 12 ppg and hopefully limit his minutes and find a way to get 60 games out of him. We could try to trade him, but most likely you are taking on future salary with whoever you bring back.

That said, yeah our forwards spot are pretty gloomy.

[SWedd523]

We rightfully talk alot about PJ and Miles clogging up the wings as they are likely apart ofbour longer term core, but what's the word on Gordon? Isn't he a expiring?

What are the odds we can ship both him and Terry out, or will it likely be one or the other?

They prob have too much combined money to be moved together unless it's for a disgruntled star.

I don't see really anybody excited to trade for Terry's contract by itself so he probably hangs out for a few years. Gordo hopefully gets traded to a playoff team looking for vet help so we can get some pics and young dudes out of him

#2 and Gordo plus smaller contracts for Jaylen Brown is my first choice for the off-season. not sure how that works with FA timing, however.

[JMAC3]

I view drafting Miller as moving on from one or both of PJ/Miles much the same way I view Scoot as moving on from Terry.

i would definitely resign both miles/pj regardless. we need to retain assets more than we need to worry about cap/spending. trade one of miles/pj later if needed.
miller can play 2/3, miles 3/4, pj 4/5 they all 3 can play good chunk of mins together. cliff does need to be less rigid in his rainman lineups, but cliff will be gone next summer most likely.

You know my feelings on PJ so I don't need to belabor that point any more than to say I don't see a long term future for all three on the roster. While it could work for a year or so to get Miller adjusted to the NBA life, there's no future where all three get the minutes they'd need to be worth their (Miles and PJ) contracts.

Unless you think Miller can play the two long term, which would be interesting in theory, I'm dubious

IDK, lining up PJ deal to expire once Miller comes off rookie deal could make sense.

There is a possibility we won't have a first round selection next year so don't know about JT Thor and 2nd round picks as main forward depth moving forward is a great strategy.

[JMAC3]

We rightfully talk alot about PJ and Miles clogging up the wings as they are likely apart ofbour longer term core, but what's the word on Gordon? Isn't he a expiring?

What are the odds we can ship both him and Terry out, or will it likely be one or the other?

They prob have too much combined money to be moved together unless it's for a disgruntled star.

I don't see really anybody excited to trade for Terry's contract by itself so he probably hangs out for a few years. Gordo hopefully gets traded to a playoff team looking for vet help so we can get some pics and young dudes out of him

#2 and Gordo plus smaller contracts for Jaylen Brown is my first choice for the off-season. not sure how that works with FA timing, however.

Jaylen Brown eligible for supermax. If he signs that he won't be able to be moved for 6 months to a year. If he refuses to sign that idk if I am all that pumped to trade the #2 pick for a guy on an expiring contract with no allegiances to Charlotte.

I think Boston would be crazy to move him, 90% of the NBA fans saying they should trade him would be all for their team trading for him.

[KingCat]

I can't see why an ultra win now team like Boston would trade for 2 unless they are flipping it for Dame... damn that would actually make sense

[SWedd523]

I never said it was realistic. I just want it to happen

[LofJ]

I can't see why an ultra win now team like Boston would trade for 2 unless they are flipping it for Dame... damn that would actually make sense

Hayward and 2 is enough for us to get Brown. That said I'm with JMac here, too big of a risk that he'd walk. I don't trust him to commit here long-term.

[JMAC3]

I could see Cliff opting for Miller, don't know how much they will value that based on him being in last year of deal.

He always preaches Size, Skill and Shooting.

Miller has all 3

[LofJ]

Inexcusable for Givony to publicly state that Miller is out of shape without giving context. He should be ashamed of himself, but getting clicks is more important than providing accurate information I guess.

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[fatlever]

How do we feel about Miller's 2nd half of his season? If we are going to drag scoot over his poor second half of the year, shouldn't the same apply to miller? We know he had a poor tournament, but it seems like his slump extends much further back. Is it possible this is a dude that just had a massive Purple Patch in the first half of this season and has regressed back to something more normal for him? 31% from 3 over his last 18 games is a little bit alarming for a player being drafted for his Elite three-point shooting.

"There is still a contingent of scouts who think the Hornets would be making a mistake by taking Miller over Henderson. Miller, who turned 21 years old in November, shot just 40.0 percent and 31.2 percent from three during the second half of Alabama's season (18 games)"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10076868-nba-draft-buzz-argument-for-brandon-miller-over-scoot-henderson-gains-traction

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[fatlever]

I've seen some comparing Miller to Michael Porter Jr as a potential comp. How did people feel about that comparison? To be honest I am completely underwhelmed by mpj as a player. I've watched chunks of the last six nuggets games and I honestly cannot remember a single basket that he scored in the time that I've watched lol. I swear every time he scores it must be in the first quarter or when I'm looking down at my laptop. So if Miller projects to be mpj, that would be very disappointing in my point of view. In what areas would he be better than mpj? Any areas where he would be potentially worse?

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[fatlever]

Inexcusable for Givony to publicly state that Miller is out of shape without giving context. He should be ashamed of himself, but getting clicks is more important than providing accurate information I guess.

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Yeah, leaving out the fact that the kid had Mono is a pretty big deal. I didn't really place any Credence into that report in the first place. It just sound like typical pre-draft smoke screen posturing nonsense.

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[dmutombo321]

Piggy backing on Fats' MPJ post above, these are my reservations about Miller.

Players like MPJ and Jabari Smith are brought up, not as direct comps (as they're PFs while Miller is a string bean wing), but bc their bread and butter is so similar to Miller's; they're high level shooters who do most of their damage off spot up and 1-2 dribble jumpers. They're straight line drivers if you give them the opening but they aren't particularly adept evading defenders via change of direction off the dribble, nor do they own a deep bag of counter moves (a la Tatum, Brown, Ingram, Banchero, etc). That's not to say those skills can't be honed (Harrison Barnes was one of those players coming out of college and expanded his game enough to parlay some big paydays, but it's still quite mechanical and he was never good enough to be a franchise centerpiece)...

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[fatlever]

The Hornets are sending their attorneys to Tuscaloosa Alabama to do their own investigation into the Miller shooting. This is happening this week. It's a bit odd to me that this investigation hasn't already been done by us, but maybe they were just waiting to see where we were picking before doing that due diligence.

While his legal issues seem mostly a non-issue at this point, it shouldn't be completely discounted, especially for a team already dealing with the controversy surrounding miles. Assuming again that the Hornets may have these two players ranked almost dead even, it might make sense to take the player who isn't in the middle of a murder charge or follow up civil lawsuit or follow up criminal charges yet to be filed, not to mention just the stigma.

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[JMAC3]

How do we feel about Miller's 2nd half of his season? If we are going to drag scoot over his poor second half of the year, shouldn't the same apply to miller? We know he had a poor tournament, but it seems like his slump extends much further back. Is it possible this is a dude that just had a massive Purple Patch in the first half of this season and has regressed back to something more normal for him? 31% from 3 over his last 18 games is a little bit alarming for a player being drafted for his Elite three-point shooting.

"There is still a contingent of scouts who think the Hornets would be making a mistake by taking Miller over Henderson. Miller, who turned 21 years old in November, shot just 40.0 percent and 31.2 percent from three during the second half of Alabama's season (18 games)"

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10076868-nba-draft-buzz-argument-for-brandon-miller-over-scoot-henderson-gains-traction

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Yeah, I think you can always chop the data to make it look bad. If you look at that same 18 game stretch (minus the last 4 games where he just really struggled). Oats said he was dealing with injury...

Here is his numbers over that 14 game stretch.
45.7% from field, 58.5% from 2, 34.2% from 3, 89% from FT.

Maybe not on fire from three, but again you can chop the data set all you want. He still shot 38% from deep for the year.

Heck even if you count all his games except the final 4
It is 46% from field, 51.8% from 2, 40.7% from deep and that is over first 33 games.

[JMAC3]

He really improved his finishing as the season went on.

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[JMAC3]

Piggy backing on Fats' MPJ post above, these are my reservations about Miller.

Players like MPJ and Jabari Smith are brought up, not as direct comps (as they're PFs while Miller is a string bean wing), but bc their bread and butter is so similar to Miller's; they're high level shooters who do most of their damage off spot up and 1-2 dribble jumpers. They're straight line drivers if you give them the opening but they aren't particularly adept evading defenders via change of direction off the dribble, nor do they own a deep bag of counter moves (a la Tatum, Brown, Ingram, Banchero, etc). That's not to say those skills can't be honed (Harrison Barnes was one of those players coming out of college and expanded his game enough to parlay some big paydays, but it's still quite mechanical and he was never good enough to be a franchise centerpiece)...

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MPJ and Jabari are lazy comps. 6-10 shooter.... that is the extent of their games being similar.

Miller is much more a 2 guard than a spot up 4.
He handles the ball a ton. Just go watch any full game highlight.
He scores in more than just catch and shoot or 1/2 dribble pull ups which is mainly Porter and Smith.

Miller runs PnR, runs off dribble handoffs, Bama runs actual iso plays where they clear the floor and he attacks off 5-6 dribbles and his playmaking is significantly better than either of those guys.

nor do they own a deep bag of counter moves (a la Tatum, Brown, Ingram, Banchero, etc)

These guys had virtually no bag either in college, if you compare him to where they are now then yes he looks like he has no bag.