BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[LofJ]

As soon as Brandon Miller signs his contract a civil suit against him is going to be filed. It will be in the news along with Miles once he signs his contract. From a community relationship and public perception standpoint I really don't like what that will imply about the Hornets (true or not).

[JMAC3]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/37707731/nba-draft-combine-brandon-miller-interviews-12-teams

"Miller's season, which saw him named SEC Player of the Year and a first-team All-American, elevated him on many NBA teams' big boards to the No. 2 prospect in the class. Tuesday's lottery results further solidified his chances of hearing his name called immediately after Victor Wembanyama at No. 1, as both of the teams who rose into the top three -- Charlotte and Portland -- have bigger needs on the wing than at guard. While there is a process that will need to play out over the next month, it was hard to find a single NBA executive at the draft combine who believed that G League Ignite guard Scoot Henderson will eventually rise into the No. 2 spot."

[JDR720]

The basis of us picking Miller seems to be all about fit.

Either because Scoot supposedly can't play with Melo. Or that Miller is a better shooter.

[vexco]

The basis of us picking Miller seems to be all about fit.

Either because Scoot supposedly can't play with Melo. Or that Miller is a better shooter.

I just think Miller will be a better player overall. I see way more DSJ in Scoot than I see prime Rose. Fair if people feel the same way about Miller but that's just my opinion.

[Liver_Pooty]

The basis of us picking Miller seems to be all about fit.

Either because Scoot supposedly can't play with Melo. Or that Miller is a better shooter.

Much, much better shooter.

[fatlever]

I think what's important to note here, probably true for most of us, is scoot versus Miller is not binary yes or no issue. It's very nuanced. I think the majority of us feel thrilled to add either one of these guys to the roster and it really just comes down to slight preferences in terms of what we value more or how we can mentally project seeing these players a few years from now. Everyday my opinions change slightly between where I sit and the Pendulum between these two guys. This week it's mostly been between 55 to 60 leaning towards scoot. I'll be thrilled to death with Miller if that's who we end up selecting.

I'm just saying this cuz I know how people on this site love to play score keeper and try to throw stuff in people's faces 3 years from now, team scoot vs team Miller. So maybe we do our best to try to stop from pushing everyone to pick a polarized dug in stance on these dudes.

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[amcoolio]

I think the pick will be Miller unless more red flags come out about his group of friends/weapons possession. He's like Mitch's wet dream when it comes to a prospect. I just don't know who goes to the bench in the event we select him. He needs to start right away.

[SWedd523]

The basis of us picking Miller seems to be all about fit.

Either because Scoot supposedly can't play with Melo. Or that Miller is a better shooter.

This doesn't make sense. He's been 2 or 3 on most boards pretty much all season. It's not like he's only in the convo because we "don't need" Scoot.

[SWedd523]

I think what's important to note here, probably true for most of us, is scoot versus Miller is not binary yes or no issue. It's very nuanced. I think the majority of us feel thrilled to add either one of these guys to the roster and it really just comes down to slight preferences in terms of what we value more or how we can mentally project seeing these players a few years from now. Everyday my opinions change slightly between where I sit and the Pendulum between these two guys. This week it's mostly been between 55 to 60 leaning towards scoot. I'll be thrilled to death with Miller if that's who we end up selecting.

I'm just saying this cuz I know how people on this site love to play score keeper and try to throw stuff in people's faces 3 years from now, team scoot vs team Miller. So maybe we do our best to try to stop from pushing everyone to pick a polarized dug in stance on these dudes.

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I agree. For some reason I'm seeing it more from the Scoot side of the house. "LMAO MILLER SUCKS" type takes. The folks who prefer Miller just seem to prefer him more.

They're both very good prospects and I like what both of them can bring to the team. I'm perfectly fine with either one (and Amen Thompson as well).

Maybe that's a cop out. I dunno. I wish we could've gotten Wemby but they're in a position to improve the roster big time provided each of these guys reach their potential.

Give me either one.


Again, though, like I said before: whichever one we take will invariably bust and the other two will be rock stars. Then we'll spend the next 5 years lamenting how bad we are at drafting.

[Bassman]

I think the key factor of this decision is the level of alpha dog desire and dedication. Which player will absolutely tune out distractions, bust their tail constantly to get better, and is willing to be a leader. We need that badly in whomever we choose. If that’s Miller, take him. If that’s Scoot, take him.

As talented as Melo is, his vibe is not about being the alpha leader. Melo needs someone to be that man IMO. He is more immature than I expected, and hasn’t advanced beyond his “fun times” approach during his 3 years in the league. That’s OK as long as it meshes with enough serious dedication to team and personal commitment to excellence. Same issue with Miles, at a slightly different angle.

No 19 YO is going to suddenly come in and be THE MAN. You earn that role and that respect. Frankly, Mitch and company will need to do some hard and thorough research to uncover which player has “IT”. Not sure Miller is that guy. Get a sense Scoot might be.

[amcoolio]

I think the key factor of this decision is the level of alpha dog desire and dedication. Which player will absolutely tune out distractions, bust their tail constantly to get better, and is willing to be a leader. We need that badly in whomever we choose. If that’s Miller, take him. If that’s Scoot, take him.

As talented as Melo is, his vibe is not about being the alpha leader. Melo needs someone to be that man IMO. He is more immature than I expected, and hasn’t advanced beyond his “fun times” approach during his 3 years in the league. That’s OK as long as it meshes with enough serious dedication to team and personal commitment to excellence. Same issue with Miles, at a slightly different angle.

No 19 YO is going to suddenly come in and be THE MAN. You earn that role and that respect. Frankly, Mitch and company will need to do some hard and thorough research to uncover which player has “IT”. Not sure Miller is that guy. Get a sense Scoot might be.

Mitch has not drafted that type of player. Bridges, Washington, LaMelo, Bouknight, Jones, and Williams are all not alpha dogs, don't lead and don't particularly work hard (that we know of).

Mitch has an archetype : skilled offensive players who can score and playmake.

[Liver_Pooty]

Someone please link me to where Scoot was some big time leader or alpha. He had that one great game against Wemby and other than that he just had flashy highlights in the g league basically conserving his body for the draft. Where is this sudden alpha leadership amazing defense everyone talks about.

I genuinely want to know. Not trying to bash anyone. I watch primarily college ball and brandon miller is a stud

[Liver_Pooty]

Brandon Miller shoots better times 5. Creates contact and draws fouls better (4.5 attempts compared to like 2.7 to scoot although scoot can't shoot). Obviously isn't as good of an athlete, but he's not a bad one either. Scoot will primarily be a 1 guard in the NBA and Miller can play 2 to 4. Isn't even about fit for me. Pretty easy choice. I'll just pick the kid that can shoot the hell out of a basketball for once and not the athlete who can't.

[KingCat]

Brandon Miller shoots better times 5. Creates contact and draws fouls better (4.5 attempts compared to like 2.7 to scoot although scoot can't shoot). Obviously isn't as good of an athlete, but he's not a bad one either. Scoot will primarily be a 1 guard in the NBA and Miller can play 2 to 4. Isn't even about fit for me. Pretty easy choice. I'll just pick the kid that can shoot the hell out of a basketball for once and not the athlete who can't.

This is how you end up in another Monk over Mitchell situation. Guys like MKG, Frank, Miles, and probably so many more were picked over better prospects because they were college studs.

Also ylthe fouling stats you threw out don't mean much considering one is against grown men defenders and the other is against other college kids.

[Diop]

I'll just pick the kid that can shoot the hell out of a basketball for once and not the athlete who can't.

that was my initial thoughts as well, the ongoing arguments have swayed me some, but I always return to this. i want the shooting.

i personally wont be upset with either though

[Liver_Pooty]

Brandon Miller shoots better times 5. Creates contact and draws fouls better (4.5 attempts compared to like 2.7 to scoot although scoot can't shoot). Obviously isn't as good of an athlete, but he's not a bad one either. Scoot will primarily be a 1 guard in the NBA and Miller can play 2 to 4. Isn't even about fit for me. Pretty easy choice. I'll just pick the kid that can shoot the hell out of a basketball for once and not the athlete who can't.

This is how you end up in another Monk over Mitchell situation. Guys like MKG, Frank, Miles, and probably so many more were picked over better prospects because they were college studs.

Also ylthe fouling stats you threw out don't mean much considering one is against grown men defenders and the other is against other college kids.

Isn't even in the same stratosphere of a Monk Mitchell debate. If Monk was 6'9 he'd be an entirely different player. Literally everything I've seen and read on Scoot says he has work to do on defense so I don't get this he's a good defender point of attack defender stuff. His team was also terrible. I'm sticking with Miller quite easily.

[LofJ]

Monk and Kaminsky could shoot as well, they were both the wrong picks.

And you can't compare college free throw stats to the g-league. They only shoot one free throw in all situations shooting foul or not the first 46 minutes of the game. Scoot's attempts and percentage would have been higher if he played college basketball.

[SWedd523]

Monk and Kaminsky could shoot as well, they were both the wrong picks.

And you can't compare college free throw stats to the g-league. They only shoot one free throw in all situations shooting foul or not the first 46 minutes of the game. Scoot's attempts and percentage would have been higher if he played college basketball.

And MKG was a great defender, athlete, and leader who couldn't shoot and was the wrong pick

(should've picked the college stud who could shoot)


See how we can go back and forth?

[LofJ]

Monk and Kaminsky could shoot as well, they were both the wrong picks.

And you can't compare college free throw stats to the g-league. They only shoot one free throw in all situations shooting foul or not the first 46 minutes of the game. Scoot's attempts and percentage would have been higher if he played college basketball.

And MKG was a great defender, athlete, and leader who couldn't shoot and was the wrong pick

(should've picked the college stud who could shoot)


See how we can go back and forth?

MKG had crippling confidence issues, he should have never been picked as high as he was.

[Diop]

i still think another team could have done better with MKG, but thats another argument.