Trade Pascal to Portland/Warriors?

[ontnut]

Actually listening to it, he is saying neither OG or Bridges for 3 & Simons gets the Blazers to the finals. Which...sure.

Which is very likely factually correct. Siakam alone doesnt get POR to the finals either (not WCF either). If WCF is their bare minimum goal in trading for “win now” players (#3 is outgoing), if the player(s) are coming from TO is going to need to be Siakam AND OG. Thats the only thing that might get them a taste of WCF

Nothing that happens with the number 3 pick will get them to the finals alone. The pick doesn’t have that kind of value. Siakam AND OG is a huge overpay. No one else is coming close to that value. You are bidding against yourself for no reason.

What about Siakam and OG for Simons, Sharpe and 3? Or Siakam, OG and 13 for Grant, Simons, Sharpe and 3?

[Fairview4Life]

Which is very likely factually correct. Siakam alone doesnt get POR to the finals either (not WCF either). If WCF is their bare minimum goal in trading for “win now” players (#3 is outgoing), if the player(s) are coming from TO is going to need to be Siakam AND OG. Thats the only thing that might get them a taste of WCF

Nothing that happens with the number 3 pick will get them to the finals alone. The pick doesn’t have that kind of value. Siakam AND OG is a huge overpay. No one else is coming close to that value. You are bidding against yourself for no reason.

What about Siakam and OG for Simons, Sharpe and 3? Or Siakam, OG and 13 for Grant, Simons, Sharpe and 3?

Who knows, but a lot of salary has to be coming back if Siakam is involved, and that generally means Nurkic with Simons and that’s also a whole lot of money tied up in 2 pretty meh to bad players for the next 3 years.

[mtcan]

I'd think that would really hurt POR's chances, no? Esp considering Ball is probably done or at least a shell of himself? It doesn't realllly help their cap situation much, and now they're down a legit starting C for...nothing? What's POR's motivation here?

Portland's motivation is to get off of the larger and longer contract that they gave him last summer. Center position probably isn't where you want to spend that much of your cap space. They could sign a cheaper center to a mid level exception that gives you perhaps better defence and at roughly half the cap space you would otherwise be giving to Nurk.

It's not to say that Nurk is a bad player but if your team's main issues are lack of shooting and poor defence...maybe Nurk isn't the right center for them.

So Nurk to Chicago since they are still all-in on competing and he's a serviceable replacement to Vuc.

Now hear me out on this. I'm interested in Long's shorter contract and maybe the possibility Chicago throws us a 2nd round pick or something for getting them out of Lonzo's dead money since no one knows if he will ever come back.

I get it, you save some $$ and increase a bit of flexibility. But that doesn't really help push towards a Finals, an opportunity that is rapidly declining with Lillard's age. It feels like POR is a bit stuck in no man's land, capped out with a superstar and limited supporting cast. I would think they have two options...1) trade Dame and Nurk and start over with Simons, Sharpe and #3, or 2) go all-in, trade the pick(s), one or both of Simons and Sharpe, eat the tax and go for it for 1-2 seasons before revisiting 1).

I guess the main question here is...who will help you win more: Nurk at $18-20 million per season or Grant resigned to something similar to what Andrew Wiggins is making which is like $25 million per season. Grant probably helps you more. And...if it's a trade for Siakam...you need to include Nurk to make the salary work in the trade.

[ontnut]

Nothing that happens with the number 3 pick will get them to the finals alone. The pick doesn’t have that kind of value. Siakam AND OG is a huge overpay. No one else is coming close to that value. You are bidding against yourself for no reason.

What about Siakam and OG for Simons, Sharpe and 3? Or Siakam, OG and 13 for Grant, Simons, Sharpe and 3?

Who knows, but a lot of salary has to be coming back if Siakam is involved, and that generally means Nurkic with Simons and that’s also a whole lot of money tied up in 2 pretty meh to bad players for the next 3 years.

I bandied about a proposal that would be:
Simons Sharpe and 3 for Siakam and 13 (salaries work).
Then a secondary S&T of Grant for OG + salary.
Additional picks probably go out to balance it out, but the math works. The question is, who feels like they're getting insufficient return?

[ontnut]

Portland's motivation is to get off of the larger and longer contract that they gave him last summer. Center position probably isn't where you want to spend that much of your cap space. They could sign a cheaper center to a mid level exception that gives you perhaps better defence and at roughly half the cap space you would otherwise be giving to Nurk.

It's not to say that Nurk is a bad player but if your team's main issues are lack of shooting and poor defence...maybe Nurk isn't the right center for them.

So Nurk to Chicago since they are still all-in on competing and he's a serviceable replacement to Vuc.

Now hear me out on this. I'm interested in Long's shorter contract and maybe the possibility Chicago throws us a 2nd round pick or something for getting them out of Lonzo's dead money since no one knows if he will ever come back.

I get it, you save some $$ and increase a bit of flexibility. But that doesn't really help push towards a Finals, an opportunity that is rapidly declining with Lillard's age. It feels like POR is a bit stuck in no man's land, capped out with a superstar and limited supporting cast. I would think they have two options...1) trade Dame and Nurk and start over with Simons, Sharpe and #3, or 2) go all-in, trade the pick(s), one or both of Simons and Sharpe, eat the tax and go for it for 1-2 seasons before revisiting 1).

I guess the main question here is...who will help you win more: Nurk at $18-20 million per season or Grant resigned to something similar to what Andrew Wiggins is making which is like $25 million per season. Grant probably helps you more. And...if it's a trade for Siakam...you need to include Nurk to make the salary work in the trade.

Haven't watched a lot of POR ball admittedly, but they surely need someone big who can atleast body up Davis/Jokic/Ayton. I know Nurk isn't a stellar defender, but I don't think Grant can do that job, and wouldn't trust it to some MLE C like Powell or Wood, unless I'm missing something.

Grant is clearly the better player, but if you're getting back Siakam and OG, Perhaps Nurk is the better fit, or you kinda just end up like our own three headed F monster.

[mtcan]

I get it, you save some $$ and increase a bit of flexibility. But that doesn't really help push towards a Finals, an opportunity that is rapidly declining with Lillard's age. It feels like POR is a bit stuck in no man's land, capped out with a superstar and limited supporting cast. I would think they have two options...1) trade Dame and Nurk and start over with Simons, Sharpe and #3, or 2) go all-in, trade the pick(s), one or both of Simons and Sharpe, eat the tax and go for it for 1-2 seasons before revisiting 1).

I guess the main question here is...who will help you win more: Nurk at $18-20 million per season or Grant resigned to something similar to what Andrew Wiggins is making which is like $25 million per season. Grant probably helps you more. And...if it's a trade for Siakam...you need to include Nurk to make the salary work in the trade.

Haven't watched a lot of POR ball admittedly, but they surely need someone big who can atleast body up Davis/Jokic/Ayton. I know Nurk isn't a stellar defender, but I don't think Grant can do that job, and wouldn't trust it to some MLE C like Powell or Wood, unless I'm missing something.

I think Mason Plumlee for the mid-level exception makes sense. He's a better defender than Nurk and a better rebounder. He can catch and finish around the rim as well. He's low maintenance. He won't complain when he doesn't get the ball. That's all you really need from your center if you're not the Sixers or Nuggets. I would rather resign Grant and trade Nurk as part of a package for a star.

[ontnut]

I guess the main question here is...who will help you win more: Nurk at $18-20 million per season or Grant resigned to something similar to what Andrew Wiggins is making which is like $25 million per season. Grant probably helps you more. And...if it's a trade for Siakam...you need to include Nurk to make the salary work in the trade.

Haven't watched a lot of POR ball admittedly, but they surely need someone big who can atleast body up Davis/Jokic/Ayton. I know Nurk isn't a stellar defender, but I don't think Grant can do that job, and wouldn't trust it to some MLE C like Powell or Wood, unless I'm missing something.

I think Mason Plumlee for the mid-level exception makes sense. He's a better defender than Nurk and a better rebounder. He can catch and finish around the rim as well. He's low maintenance. He won't complain when he doesn't get the ball. That's all you really need from your center if you're not the Sixers or Nuggets. I would rather resign Grant and trade Nurk as part of a package for a star.

I would too, but I don't think there are teams that want Nurk, unfortunately. Raptors were one that could've used him, but I don't see too many teams looking for a mid tier C with injury histories and long contract. Unfortunately I think he'd be only used as salary filler in a trade, along with multiple 1sts/whatever young guys remain.

[Los_29]

SIgn and trade, they have his bird rights. Mavs don't have cap space, would probably have to take Bertrans back to match salaries.

Can we sign and trade before the free agency moratorium? I don't think I can ever recall a deal like this being made on draft day.

No, they would have to trade the players rights, it would have to be done after the draft.

Seems quite complicated which is probably why you never see these deals made. Poeltl has to want to go to Dallas and we have to make sure the player we want is available at 10. Considering the draft is a couple weeks before free agency, hard to imagine Poeltl would have his mind made up already especially considering the Mavs aren’t allowed to recruit free agents at that point.

[Dude-niagara]

The Celtics cannot double team Jimmy because they are getting killed at 3 point line by shooters around him. This is another reason why Masai needs to decide on either keeping Siakam and trading Barnes or trading Siakam and keeping Barnes.

[The Duke]

“sharpe + #3” is not coming to raptors unless Barnes is made available

[Tripod]

Main boards....

...it would take Siakam AND OG for #3 + filler

[mtcan]

Main boards....

...it would take Siakam AND OG for #3 + filler

Pascal and OG ARE considered expiring contracts...so lets keep things in perspective.

If not Sharpe...there should be additional draft picks.

We would have take on Simons and Nurkic in this scenario. Nurkic could be rerouted for additional return. I don't care about having Simons on the team...since he's still young and under contract for a few more years. We'll be rebuilding anyways.

I don't want to overvalue our expiring contracts. I really do want that #3 pick as future cornerstone of this franchise.

[KingSebastian]

This board has lost its mind...

2x all-nba, 2x all-star + 2nd all-defense player that guards 1 through 5

offered on a trade for #3 unproven draft pick and young prospects?


This is lunacy.


It's either or NOT BOTH!


I understand we aren't winning as constructed...but I feel many on this board don't remember 2 decades of losing.
I have no interest in going back to the stone age and I doubt Masai does either.
Any deal we make will keep us competitive as it should.

We are not blowing up the team and starting a tank-a-thon.

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[whatisacenter]

Warriors fan here, any interest in a Poole/Kuminga/pick 19 for Siakam? Might need additional pieces/pick from Dubs.

[VanWest82]

Warriors fan here, any interest in a Poole/Kuminga/pick 19 for Siakam? Might need additional pieces/pick from Dubs.

No way this happens. I doubt that'd get it done for OG.

[whatisacenter]

Warriors fan here, any interest in a Poole/Kuminga/pick 19 for Siakam? Might need additional pieces/pick from Dubs.

No way this happens. I doubt that'd get it done for OG.

salaries wouldn't work for OG anyway.

[Fairview4Life]

Feels like Poole's contract makes him a negative asset at this point. Or at least really reduces his value.

[whatisacenter]

Feels like Poole's contract makes him a negative asset at this point. Or at least really reduces his value.

Yeah, he had a pretty bad year after signing his extension but I think a lot of that had to do with Draymond being a dick to him in the preseason. His problems stem from trying to do too much and going a little too fast which I believe is easier to fix than a guy who has no bag. I think a change of scenery will do him well.

Anyway, curious to see what you guys do this offseason with trades and your new coach.

[VanWest82]

Warriors fan here, any interest in a Poole/Kuminga/pick 19 for Siakam? Might need additional pieces/pick from Dubs.

No way this happens. I doubt that'd get it done for OG.

salaries wouldn't work for OG anyway.

Raps have lots of guys to make it work if both teams wanted. Otto, Boucher, Thad (non-guaranteed). Again, I don't think it's enough - Kuminga looks like he might be a bust and Poole's contract is rough - but salaries wouldn't be the obstacle.

[ArthurVandelay]

Warriors fan here, any interest in a Poole/Kuminga/pick 19 for Siakam? Might need additional pieces/pick from Dubs.

Poole, Kuminga, Moody, 19, and unprotected 2026 & 2028 picks would get me on board.

But I’m still high on Kuminga, most aren’t.