Official Trade Thread Part XLV

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There is something happening right now, btw, which at least might bode well for an off-season trade of Beal -- namely, the way Miami is beating up on the Celtics.

The problem is that Boston's most obvious trade candidate, Jaylen Brown, is someone a rebuilding really should not want to acquire.

The 3 players on that team who should be of most interest to a rebuilding team are Robert Williams, Grant Williams & Sam Hauser.

There'd have to be a 3d team involved. Seems long odds....

Grant Williams & Sam Hauser strike me as 8th & 9th man types in a rotation. I'm not sure why a rebuilding team would be interested in them over Brown..

A few things:

1. Grant Williams was 4th in minutes on a team that was 1 win shy of the best record in the league.
So, you might be incorrect about him.

2. Sam Hauser played 158 minutes as a rookie in '21-22. This season, his 2d, he played 1262 minutes. He shot the 3 at 42%, taking about 10 of them per 40 minutes. His TS% was .637.
So, you might be incorrect about him as well.

OTOH, in fairness, you might be right about 1 or both of them -- risk is inherent in any move.

But, here's the main thing:

3. I just don't see much of a reason to rate Jaylen Brown especially high.
He's a plus scorer, that's obvious. But not "plus" enough to justify the $$ he seems destined to make. He's no help to a rebuilding team.

To put it another way -- he's not as good a player as Brad was at the same point in his career, & Brad is not & never was first option on a contending team. Actually, Brown's not as good an offensive player right now as Brad is right now.

...If anything, bring Portland in the fold and get the 3rd pick & Simons/Nurkic in return.

Hey, if you can get Simons, Nurkic & the 3d pick for Beal, more power to you!

[80sballboy]

I like Jaylen Brown a lot as a player and wouldn't blink in a Beal trade or Beal and something (probably not the 8th pick) if he wasn't going to get the supermax.The fact that his three-point shooting has decreased from 39.7% to 35.8% to 33.5% is a concern. In the playoffs, however, he's actually shooting 39% from beyond the arc, despite the fact he's likely playing with an injured hand. I mean what the hell are we going to get for Beal or Beal and the 8th pick? Is Giannis available? Embiid? Jokic? Tatum? Booker? But the contract is a concern and I'm sure every other team is saying the same about Beal's four years left.

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I like Jaylen Brown a lot as a player and wouldn't blink in a Beal trade or Beal and something (probably not the 8th pick) if he wasn't going to get the supermax.The fact that his three-point shooting has decreased from 39.7% to 35.8% to 33.5% is a concern. In the playoffs, however, he's actually shooting 39% from beyond the arc, despite the fact he's likely playing with an injured hand. I mean what the hell are we going to get for Beal or Beal and the 8th pick? Is Giannis available? Embiid? Jokic? Tatum? Booker? But the contract is a concern and I'm sure every other team is saying the same about Beal's four years left.

We need to rebuild. We suck. Trading Brad for anything but "re-building blocks" (picks & very young players) would be stupid.

I don't know what you mean by "Beal and something," but trading Beal & e.g. 1 or more picks for Brown would be criminally stupid.

Ditto trading him & Kispert -- or Goodwin or Gafford or even Deni -- & getting Brown alone in return: that too would be criminally stupid.

That said, keeping Brad for 4 more long & insanely expensive years would no doubt be the stupidest possible thing to do. So, yeah, we may do something as stupid as the above.

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If Boston lays another turd/Terd, then something around Beal/Jaylen Brown is going to come together I think. Especially if Brown has another bad game. If not a 2 way trade, then maybe some kind of 3 way involving Portland and Dame or that #3. The cherry on top is that Bill Simmons will be sad and that's always hilarious.

[gambitx777]

Boston is not trading brown for Beal because A 33 year old jimmy Butler woke up and chose violence.

Beal isn't the answer for them and panic trading a good piece is silly. Upgrading their other pieces is where you need to go. They need to do something about the remains of al horford and they need to up grade their ok ish pieces like grant and smart.

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...A 33 year old jimmy Butler woke up and chose violence. ...

What do you mean by this?

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...A 33 year old jimmy Butler woke up and chose violence. ...

What do you mean by this?

It's a common saying amongst us younger folk... basically that he went crazy in these playoffs, which he did

[Rafael122]

Boston is not trading brown for Beal because A 33 year old jimmy Butler woke up and chose violence.

Beal isn't the answer for them and panic trading a good piece is silly. Upgrading their other pieces is where you need to go. They need to do something about the remains of al horford and they need to up grade their ok ish pieces like grant and smart.

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The basketball stuff is like 20% of the reason why things fall apart and things get done. Brad and Tatum are close friends, if Ted is up for it, it honestly wouldn't shock me if this trade actually happened.

[penbeast0]

If Boston lays another turd/Terd, then something around Beal/Jaylen Brown is going to come together I think. Especially if Brown has another bad game. If not a 2 way trade, then maybe some kind of 3 way involving Portland and Dame or that #3. The cherry on top is that Bill Simmons will be sad and that's always hilarious.

Really can't see that with them on the hook for big money to Brogdon, Smart, and White in addition to Beal. Who is playing forward?

[Rafael122]

If Boston lays another turd/Terd, then something around Beal/Jaylen Brown is going to come together I think. Especially if Brown has another bad game. If not a 2 way trade, then maybe some kind of 3 way involving Portland and Dame or that #3. The cherry on top is that Bill Simmons will be sad and that's always hilarious.

Really can't see that with them on the hook for big money to Brogdon, Smart, and White in addition to Beal. Who is playing forward?

Beal for Brown doesn't work straight up, so 1 of Brogdon/Smart/White would have to be added to the trade.

I actually came up with something that might entice Boston:

Beal, Morris and Gafford for Williams, Brown, Gallinari and Brogdon.

IMO, Gafford and Williams are a wash, they make similar money. Brogdon's deal is 2 yrs/$45 million. Wizards are taking in about $4 million more in salary. Boston gets off the Brogdon deal, Morris is an expiring and would probably run point in this scenario, and the Wizards get Brown, Brogdon, and Gallo's expiring which he will probably decline.

Boston starting five: Morris/Beal/Tatum/Horford/Gafford

Wizards starting five: Brogdon, Brown, Deni, Porzingis, Williams

Bench will consist of Davis, Wright, Kispert, 8th pick, and probably an MLE type of signing. It actually might be beneficial for them to keep Gallo.

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...A 33 year old jimmy Butler woke up and chose violence. ...

What do you mean by this?

It's a common saying amongst us younger folk... basically that he went crazy in these playoffs, which he did

Ok thanks.... &, yeah, it's exactly like reframing "crazy" to mean "great."
A new instance of a common linguistic practice.

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Beal, Morris and Gafford for Williams, Brown, Gallinari and Brogdon.

IMO, Gafford and Williams are a wash, they make similar money....

I like Gafford, but Williams is a far better player.

...Wizards are taking in about $4 million more in salary....

We are also taking in one more player. We'd be able to add our R1 pick but neither of our R2 picks (depending on what happens with Kuzma, that is).

We don't get younger. We limit our ability to rebuild. We still aren't a good team.

...Boston gets off the Brogdon deal....

Why does Boston want to get off the Brogdon deal?

Brogdon's deal is 2 yrs/$45 million. Wizards are taking in about $4 million more in salary. Boston gets off the Brogdon deal....

Wizards starting five: Brogdon, Brown, Deni, Porzingis, Williams...

We get a little better for one season. Then Brogdon starts to decline, & Brown gets paid.
IMO, this is just about the opposite of what we should be doing.

[gambitx777]

What do you mean by this?

It's a common saying amongst us younger folk... basically that he went crazy in these playoffs, which he did

Ok thanks.... &, yeah, it's exactly like reframing "crazy" to mean "great."
A new instance of a common linguistic practice.

Sorry piff lol.
Yeah I just meant that I wouldn't blow up a young core because you lost to a force of nature like jimmy Butler.

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[gambitx777]

So
Beal
For
Simmons/ Kevin Knox and keon Johnson
#3 and #23 works in the trade checker.

They can resign grant and fill out the team and move on no payment past this year and Simmons with a major down grade over Beal and it a pretty meh contract.

I mean if they are convinced on going all in on dames last ride. This does it. It's not smart
But 2 first for Beal and done that's not terrible. Simmons is a way worse player. The other two are filler.

I mean number #3 is a hefty price but this draft after wemby has a lot of questions.
23 is solid value but other than that? Knox is waiver wire fodder, johnson is a late first who hasn't done ****. Simmons is an over paid undersized 2 guard that they have a replacement for on the team and an upgrade for in Beal.

It's a good deal And if they try to negotiate I would say no thanks go pay more for jaylan brown and hang up.

I really think this year Beal has some trade value with several teams in desperation mode to try and make one more run work before the new rules kick in and some young teams figure it out. The west will be the wild west next year. Gun it and go for it boys.

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If Boston lays another turd/Terd, then something around Beal/Jaylen Brown is going to come together I think. Especially if Brown has another bad game. If not a 2 way trade, then maybe some kind of 3 way involving Portland and Dame or that #3. The cherry on top is that Bill Simmons will be sad and that's always hilarious.

Really can't see that with them on the hook for big money to Brogdon, Smart, and White in addition to Beal. Who is playing forward?

If Boston is willing to go way into the tax, what about Beal for some combination of their guards plus whatever picks they have? Between Brogdon, White, Smart, and Pritchard, they could throw two or three together, add on some picks, and we call it a day. Maybe they flip the guys they get from Boston for more picks. It's probably a collection of picks in the 20's, but honestly I'd rather have that than Beal for 50 mil a year.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

So
Beal
For
Simmons/ Kevin Knox and keon Johnson
#3 and #23 works in the trade checker.

They can resign grant and fill out the team and move on no payment past this year and Simmons with a major down grade over Beal and it a pretty meh contract.

I mean if they are convinced on going all in on dames last ride. This does it. It's not smart
But 2 first for Beal and done that's not terrible. Simmons is a way worse player. The other two are filler.

I mean number #3 is a hefty price but this draft after wemby has a lot of questions.
23 is solid value but other than that? Knox is waiver wire fodder, johnson is a late first who hasn't done ****. Simmons is an over paid undersized 2 guard that they have a replacement for on the team and an upgrade for in Beal.

It's a good deal And if they try to negotiate I would say no thanks go pay more for jaylan brown and hang up.

I really think this year Beal has some trade value with several teams in desperation mode to try and make one more run work before the new rules kick in and some young teams figure it out. The west will be the wild west next year. Gun it and go for it boys.

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This board will never give up its obsession with trading for Simmons.

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It's a common saying amongst us younger folk... basically that he went crazy in these playoffs, which he did

Ok thanks.... &, yeah, it's exactly like reframing "crazy" to mean "great."
A new instance of a common linguistic practice.

Sorry piff lol.
Yeah I just meant that I wouldn't blow up a young core because you lost to a force of nature like jimmy Butler.

I agree 100%.
Boston will have an interesting set of challenges this off-season. To get from where they are to a title will be extremely demanding of their FO.

[gambitx777]

So
Beal
For
Simmons/ Kevin Knox and keon Johnson
#3 and #23 works in the trade checker.

They can resign grant and fill out the team and move on no payment past this year and Simmons with a major down grade over Beal and it a pretty meh contract.

I mean if they are convinced on going all in on dames last ride. This does it. It's not smart
But 2 first for Beal and done that's not terrible. Simmons is a way worse player. The other two are filler.

I mean number #3 is a hefty price but this draft after wemby has a lot of questions.
23 is solid value but other than that? Knox is waiver wire fodder, johnson is a late first who hasn't done ****. Simmons is an over paid undersized 2 guard that they have a replacement for on the team and an upgrade for in Beal.

It's a good deal And if they try to negotiate I would say no thanks go pay more for jaylan brown and hang up.

I really think this year Beal has some trade value with several teams in desperation mode to try and make one more run work before the new rules kick in and some young teams figure it out. The west will be the wild west next year. Gun it and go for it boys.

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This board will never give up its obsession with trading for Simmons.

I don't care for A.S. but at the very least you can get assets and move on from Beal and maybe move him down the line.

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[joshuacf]

So
Beal
For
Simmons/ Kevin Knox and keon Johnson
#3 and #23 works in the trade checker.

They can resign grant and fill out the team and move on no payment past this year and Simmons with a major down grade over Beal and it a pretty meh contract.

I mean if they are convinced on going all in on dames last ride. This does it. It's not smart
But 2 first for Beal and done that's not terrible. Simmons is a way worse player. The other two are filler.

I mean number #3 is a hefty price but this draft after wemby has a lot of questions.
23 is solid value but other than that? Knox is waiver wire fodder, johnson is a late first who hasn't done ****. Simmons is an over paid undersized 2 guard that they have a replacement for on the team and an upgrade for in Beal.

It's a good deal And if they try to negotiate I would say no thanks go pay more for jaylan brown and hang up.

I really think this year Beal has some trade value with several teams in desperation mode to try and make one more run work before the new rules kick in and some young teams figure it out. The west will be the wild west next year. Gun it and go for it boys.

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How does this draft after Wemby have a lot of questions? Miller and Scoot are both blue chip prospects.

The Blazers are never going to give up #3 and #23 to get Beal and get no picks back. Maybe we could get them to do #3, Simmons, and filler for #8 and Beal. Scoot and Dame together probably aren't a perfect fit, so moving back allows the Blazers to either take a better fit, or package #8 and #23 for something else.

I would do #8 and Beal for #3 and Simmons in a heartbeat. Scoot is a tremendous prospect. He would have gone #1 in some previous years.

Get whatever we can in S&T for Kuzma and Zingus, and build around Scoot/Simmons/Kispert/Deni/Gafford/Davis.

[NatP4]

If you really think Scoot/Miller are blue chip 1st overall level prospects,I guess 8+ Beal for 3 makes sense?

It obviously all depends on who you pick. I would take Ausar at 3 and think he’s a significantly better prospect than Scoot.

Have said over and over I think Scoot is going to top out as an average starter. Always going to be a negative on defense, going to take a bunch of bad mid range shots and turn the ball over on offense. People need to stop just watching highlights and looking at social media. Trading an all star player+a top 10 pick for that is absolutely terrible.

Just look at the last few drafts. Plenty of guys were “blue chip” locks. Jalen Green is terrible, RJ Barrett is terrible, Wiseman is basically out of the league, Jabari smith is not looking good. Cunningham has been horrible so far, Bagley is basically out of the league. These guys were consensus blue chip prospects.

A 3 way Beal/Brown/3 swap makes plenty of sense from a value perspective.