2023 NBA Draft Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

I'm not the one who keeps intentionally trying to misrepresent/distort the shooting comparisons. Its been pointed out a million times that Scoots full season 3pt shooting sample was 32.4% (and ive posted his per75 attempts plenty).

I just keep posting Scoots actual shooting numbers. I didn't even give an opinion on who was better, just corrected the numbers and pointed out the obvious context that was being left out. I wasn't trying to trick anyone about Anthony Edwards 3pt volume...

I mean what I posted last night was off a simple Google search. I honestly thought it was correct lol.

[Braggins]

I'm not the one who keeps intentionally trying to misrepresent/distort the shooting comparisons. Its been pointed out a million times that Scoots full season 3pt shooting sample was 32.4% (and ive posted his per75 attempts plenty).

I just keep posting Scoots actual shooting numbers. I didn't even give an opinion on who was better, just corrected the numbers and pointed out the obvious context that was being left out. I wasn't trying to trick anyone about Anthony Edwards 3pt volume...

I mean what I posted last night was off a simple Google search. I honestly thought it was correct lol.

I wasn't referring to you as distorting anything. Not even sure what post you are talking about unless you mean the thing about the free throw attempts in the BM thread. I got confused the first time I started tracking the GLeagues prospects stats because of that goofy free throw rule. I thought NBA.com was misreporting their box stats for a second.

[SWedd523]

Anthony Edwards shot 29% from the college 3pt line his freshman season at Georgia. Scoot shot 32% from the NBA 3pt line this season.

At 19 years old, Scoot shot 32% from NBA 3pt (3.2 attempts per75 poss), 38% on all shots of 15'+, and 75% from the free throw line.

Where are you getting 32% from?

On Bballref I'm seeing 27.5% on 3.1 attempts per36. He made less than 1 three per game. That is the definition of a non-factor from three.

EDIT: just saw that Pro Ballers site has him at 32%. How are they so far off from each other?

[Braggins]

Anthony Edwards shot 29% from the college 3pt line his freshman season at Georgia. Scoot shot 32% from the NBA 3pt line this season.

At 19 years old, Scoot shot 32% from NBA 3pt (3.2 attempts per75 poss), 38% on all shots of 15'+, and 75% from the free throw line.

Where are you getting 32% from?

On Bballref I'm seeing 27.5% on 3.1 attempts per36. He made less than 1 three per game. That is the definition of a non-factor from three.

EDIT: just saw that Pro Ballers site has him at 32%. How are they so far off from each other?

The 28% number doesn't include the GLeague showcase games.

on the nba.com profile for him you can select the regular season + showcase sample.
https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630703/?Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Combined

The 38% from 15'+ was from a Ben Taylor (Thinking Basketball) video I watched last night. I couldn't find a source for that one, but BT is generally very well respected.

[JMAC3]

https://basketball.realgm.com/dleague/stats/2023/Averages/Qualified/points/All/desc/1/FullSeason

If you go to full season here, that includes reg season and showcase.
32.4% on 2.7 attempts per game.

https://basketball.realgm.com/dleague/teams/NBA-G-League-Ignite/61/stats/2022/Averages/Qualified/points/All/desc/1/FullSeason

Previous year he was at 21.8% on 2.4 attempts per game.

I have a feeling the true number lies somewhere between, because his FT% actually went down nor did he massively raise his attempts.

Davion Mitchell, is a guy that was pretty bad shooter. didn't improve as a FT% year over year at all but then his junior had a massive jump in outside shooting. and has since fallen back down to earth as a sub 32%

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchda01.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/davion-mitchell-1.html

[Braggins]

Yeah, Scoot's 3pt shooting probably peaked as an 18/19 year old and should be expected to regress back closer to what he shot as a 17/18 year old.

[KingCat]

Yeah, Scoot's 3pt shooting probably peaked as an 18/19 year old and should be expected to regress back closer to what he shot as a 17/18 year old.

Also no 6'2 player has ever found any success ever in this league. Scouts are calling him a generational PG prospect just to troll.

[JMAC3]

Yeah, Scoot's 3pt shooting probably peaked as an 18/19 year old and should be expected to regress back to what he shot as a 17/18 year old.

Never said it peaked, but yeah looking at the full picture I wouldn't be shocked if he shoots under 32% next year.

This year vs last year
FT% went down 2.8%
Attempts went up 0.4 per game.
3pt Percent went up 11%.

Which one seems more like the outlier?

22/23 season
Shot 47% in 6 showcase games - he made a grand total of 8 threes in this set of games. On FUEGO!!!
Shot 27% in 19 regular season games

Which one seems like the outlier?

[JMAC3]

So basically over the course of 46 career games Scoot Henderson was a 47% shooter for 6 of those in a row.

The other 40 games he shot 24.5% from three.

[yosemiteben]

So basically over the course of 46 career games Scoot Henderson was a 47% shooter for 6 of those in a row.

The other 40 games he shot 24.5% from three.

Doesn't seem like a Miller supporter should play the splits game like that, given the fact that his %s fell off a cliff.

I'm starting to get pretty checked out on this debate, doesn't seem like new info is coming out and starting to feel like the same entrenched arguments back and forth.

[JMAC3]

So basically over the course of 46 career games Scoot Henderson was a 47% shooter for 6 of those in a row.

The other 40 games he shot 24.5% from three.

Doesn't seem like a Miller supporter should play the splits game like that, given the fact that his %s fell off a cliff.

I'm starting to get pretty checked out on this debate, doesn't seem like new info is coming out and starting to feel like the same entrenched arguments back and forth.

I mean go for it.
Shooting wise.

Miller had a good 29 game sample size and 4 game awful sample size.
Scoot had a good 6 game sample and 40 game awful sample size.

[JDR720]

The point with Scoot's shooting is there is ample evidence and reason to believe he can/will become a good 3pt shooter.

- Good FT shooter
- Solid form
- Very good midrange shooter

His height is more of a reason to be skeptical of his NBA potential than his current shooting is. If we didn't already have Melo, I would take Miller over him pretty easily.

However, since we do have Melo. I'd take Scoot for several reasons

- Melo can play off ball more
- Gives us 2 very good playmakers
- Scoot has good defensive tools
- Melo injury insurance

Miller's shooting isn't guaranteed to translate either if he can't effectively create his own shot. We've saw very good NCAA shooters come to the NBA and struggle, several have been on this team. Frank, PJ Hairston, Monk, Bouknight.

Not to mention his off the court issues.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Anthony Edwards shot 29% from the college 3pt line his freshman season at Georgia. Scoot shot 32% from the NBA 3pt line this season.

At 19 years old, Scoot shot 32% from NBA 3pt (3.2 attempts per75 poss), 38% on all shots of 15'+, and 75% from the free throw line.

Scoot Henderson's GLeague page state he made 14/51 3 point attempts at a percentage of 27.45%

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630703/?Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals

Where are you getting the 32% from? (I hope you are right for our sake of course)

EDIT - I see this question has been answered - GLeague showcase games not included in GLeague season stats.

[Braggins]

Anthony Edwards shot 29% from the college 3pt line his freshman season at Georgia. Scoot shot 32% from the NBA 3pt line this season.

At 19 years old, Scoot shot 32% from NBA 3pt (3.2 attempts per75 poss), 38% on all shots of 15'+, and 75% from the free throw line.

Scoot Henderson's GLeague page state he made 14/51 3 point attempts at a percentage of 27.45%

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630703/?Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals

Where are you getting the 32% from? (I hope you are right for our sake of course)

The GLeague Showcase games from this season aren't included in the regular season stats. Change the "season type" option to "showcase + regular season".

[JDR720]

Watch on YouTube

[luciano-davidwesley]

What about...
#2 and Bouknight for Scottie Barnes and #13? Does TOR owe a future first?

[Soul Rebel]

Miller's shooting isn't guaranteed to translate either if he can't effectively create his own shot. We've saw very good NCAA shooters come to the NBA and struggle, several have been on this team. Frank, PJ Hairston, Monk, Bouknight.

I do recall a certain somebody that was a sharpshooter coming out of the NCAA ranks who's game did not translate over. A former #3 overall selection.

Obviously, different styles of overall game, but just shows how much of a crapshoot it is trying to predict success in the pros.

[KingCat]

Miller's shooting isn't guaranteed to translate either if he can't effectively create his own shot. We've saw very good NCAA shooters come to the NBA and struggle, several have been on this team. Frank, PJ Hairston, Monk, Bouknight.

I do recall a certain somebody that was a sharpshooter coming out of the NCAA ranks who's game did not translate over. A former #3 overall selection.

Obviously, different styles of overall game, but just shows how much of a crapshoot it is trying to predict success in the pros.

It feels like so many wing player's games don't translate well to the pro leagues. Probably because they are used to dominating college kids thanks to their solid mix of skill and size, only to find out that they are nothing special when against pros.

Not saying this is guaranteed gonna happen to Miller, but I wouldn't be surprised if Miller's shooting/dribbling/etc don't translate well without a good developmental coaching staff.

[SWedd523]

It's not just wings. The list of 6'4 and down guys who don't pan out is every bit as long.

To invoke Yosimite, we've reached a point where we're just making inane points and comparisons to prop up who we like

Ammo sucked so Miller will suck

DSJ sucked so Scoot will suck

Okpala sucked so Miller will suck

Fultz sucked so Scoot will suck


We need workout videos or something.

[yosemiteben]

To be fair, Scoot is objectively a cooler name than Brandon.